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Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on July 27, 2008, 04:58 PM:
Hi everybody. I was wondering if anyone here knows Andreas Eggeling?
I found him through this forum and was in the process of buying a print from him. After 10 weeks of very sporadic contact, we agreed on a price and shipping method - but without his Paypal address and an official total including all fees, I have had no way to pay him. It's been another 2 weeks since I last heard from him and he has not responded to multiple emails.
I don't know if there is some problem with my emails bouncing or what, but if anyone knows Andreas, can you please ask him to contact me via this forum or email? My address is mwill at flash dot net
Thanks for your help.
Mike
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 27, 2008, 05:47 PM:
Mike, I have abbreviated you email address otherwise you will end up with spam if you display your actual email address on an open forum like that.
Kev.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on July 28, 2008, 03:25 AM:
Mike, Andreas is an active member of this forum, a very nice person and a reliable dealer. I'm surprised that you're experiencing difficulties in communicating with him.
Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on July 28, 2008, 07:24 AM:
Hi,
in most parts of Germany the schools do have summer-holidays at the moment. As a "side-effect" most companies do have their summer-holidays as well. Hence I would expect Andreas to be away from his PC at the moment ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Jörg
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on July 28, 2008, 09:33 AM:
Thanks for the replies. I knew Andreas was an active and trustworthy member of this community, though noticed he had not posted here since April.
If he is on vacation, I hope to hear from him when he's back!
Mike
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 01, 2008, 04:43 AM:
Mike,
I am not in vacaciones en Espagna, over the alps in bella Italia
nor making a voyage circulaire par la France merveilleuse, I am still at home.
1. I was offered the 16mm feature "Pet Sematary"
for over 200 EUR.
2. You asked me for a cheaper price.
3. Cause know the bad exchange Dollar/EUR for US-Collectors I was willing to sell it cheaper.
4. Then you asked me about quality.
5. I told you that the print has stunning color and no scratches
6. You asked if the print is uncut and have the bad words.
7. I tried my best to find out that it is the original "R"-Rated version.
8. I drove to post office with the film to ask for p & p
9. I told you p & p, and the costs of paypal fees.
10. You asked me why you should pay the paypal fees, cause I never told about it.
11. since then I no longer have "lust" to sell print.
-> We donīt living in a eBay world with ebay rules. <-
If the big company who destroyed our hobby, cause flogged collecting values into the cellar, in that they propaganding
"sell from 1 EUR, or you have to pay much fees", "donīt charge your fees to the customer", in that they propaganding "buy from 1 EUR, donīt pay the costs of fees the seller have",
then I donīt willing to the rules outside eBay.
Amen
Does nobody of the over 1000 forum members here asking himself why there are less and less new 8mm releases since eBay start up???
Thats the reason why I started mediavana, to hold the collecting values, to keep the 8mm flag flying.
best
Andreas
[ August 01, 2008, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 01, 2008, 05:29 AM:
Whats Mediavana, Andreas?
-Mike
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 01, 2008, 05:41 AM:
Hello Michael,
www.mediavana.de
it is my own buy and sell plattform for collectors.
Without any fees!!!
Has at the moment 150 members.
Have sold a lot their. Needs more time, but I got the fair prices I want, not like a game on ebay.
best
Andreas
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on August 01, 2008, 11:58 AM:
What a good idea... and what a great site. Well done Andreas.
Someone give me a prod if the 2x400ft 'Das Bose' turns up on there!
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 01, 2008, 01:06 PM:
Andreas...
I'll send you another email privately.
Mike
Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on August 01, 2008, 02:49 PM:
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 01, 2008, 07:38 PM:
Not sure what the above "eye-roll" emoticon is for, but I have emailed Andreas privately and hope to hear back from him.
I am thankful he responded to this message on the forum. At least I know where he stands.
As always, there are two sides to every story and I have sent mine privately to him in detail. Let's just say after agreeing on a price very quickly and easily (within a couple days of my initial contact), 10 weeks of delays with very little communication were very frustrating as a buyer. And when a last minute fee addition popped up I reacted out of this frustration. It had nothing to do with an "eBay" mentality.
I hope Andreas and I can work this out, as I feel this is just a matter of poor communication on both our parts. I did not mean to offend Andreas, and actually apologized to him via email the day after I told him I wasn't expecting to pay his Paypal fees. My emails went unanswered, which is why I posted here. (And to clarify, I was not rude to him at all. I simply stated I would like to stick to the original price I was quoted of the print plus shipping).
Film collecting has proven to be a rewarding community of like minded friends for me, and I'd hate to have a bad relationship with Andreas as he seems to be cool guy devoted to the hobby. As evidenced by his fantastic website...
Mike
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 03, 2008, 04:56 PM:
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 03, 2008, 06:37 PM:
Andreas, I honestly don't get it. You've proven yourself to be quite rude.
I was always polite to you, even though after nearly THREE MONTHS of asking, you NEVER checked the print to see if it was R rated. It would have taken all of 10 minutes.
So...Since Andreas is obviously not interested in selling film (though he built a website around it) I will give my side of the story from a buyers perspective:
1: I search through old posts and find Andreas has been trying to sell this print since 2006 for 200 Euros.
2: I try to PM him from here. The PM function is not working.
3: I find on his profile a link to his film sales website.
4: I go through the process of setting up an account which takes quite a while as the site is in German and I am using a translation website to figure out what to do.
5: I finally email him an inquiry on June 2. I get a reply the same day.
6: On June 3, Andreas says "would sell for 165 EUR plus shipping." I agree to this on the condition that it is the R rated uncut version.
7: On June 4, Andreas says he isn't sure if it's R rated. His repeated claim of "stunning color" as a selling point is irrelevant as the film is from 1989. All stock is low fade at this point. I still need to know it's unedited.
8: I scan through my DVD and find, at about 50 minutes into the film, there is a curse word. Since violence is subjective I ask him to look at the first 5-10 minutes of Reel 2 to check for this word. I give him a detailed description of the scene. Andreas agrees to look for it for confirmation.
9: Over the next two months I ask once a week if Andreas has checked the print. He usually does not respond. When he does, he always says he hasn't done it. So his claim of checking the print "to the best of his ability" means it sat in his closet untouched for two months.
10: I give up and just say I'll buy it anyways. I can tell, even though he has a site set up for film sales, he is not really interested in the "details" of the sale.
11: It takes another 2 weeks to get an accurate shipping quote from him, which is 30 Euros more than his estimate 2 months prior.
12: The last email he sends me says "I also have to charge my paypal fees."
After over TWO months of me politely asking for info on a print over and over and over that will cost me appx $400, I had had enough. At this point, I thought I deserved a damn AWARD for sticking around so long through Andreas' selling technique, not another fee. I tell him, since I was originally quoted "165 EUR plus shipping" that I would like to stick to that. Especially since he was never willing to confirm this was an uncut print.
I never hear from him again. Realizing I'd rather have the print than squabble over ten measly dollars, I send him an apology. I tell him I hope I did not offend him and if that's his policy, then that's his policy. I accept it. I even try to send Paypal payment with all fees included, but his email address I have is not his registered Paypal address.
I post here, and he responds with ridiculous nonsense about how eBay has destroyed film collecting, implying it's collectors like me who are destroying the hobby. (???)
He says he has his own website for film sales with NO FEES!!!
So, let it be known, when Andreas is trumpeting his own "feeless" website, what he means is there are no fees FOR HIM to sell. Those are all put upon the buyer.
I am incredibly confused and disappointed in Andreas as a film seller and, more importantly a film collector.
My experience with him (and I am of course only speaking for myself) is that, when dealing with a polite customer like myself who is willing to bend over backwards to accommodate him (I mean seriously guys... Nearly THREE MONTHS to check the first 5 minutes of a reel? And then he DOESN'T EVER DO IT?) is thus:
1: Andreas is only interested in "take it or leave it" sales. He will not check a print. He will only report his memory of it from last time he watched it.
2: Andreas exhibits an ego as a film dealer in which he likes to feel superior to the customer.
3: Andreas does not care about customer satisfaction. He will drag you along and only until you say, out of exhaustion, "fine, I'll buy it" does he respond to emails again.
4: Andreas does not really care about selling film. I believe his website exists more as a showpiece of what he has rather than an interest to sell. There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION for how he treated me.
Again...I want to reiterate...I WAS NEVER RUDE TO ANDREAS. In fact, I often felt as though I was walking on eggshells with him. "Oh please, Mr Andreas, sir. Can you please find the time this month to finalize our sale? Pretty please? I know you are a great and important man. I would be honored to buy unchecked film from you. Please, sir, respond to my email so I know where to send the payment."
In retrospect, I can't believe I put up with it.
So, in closing, I can not recommend Andreas Eggeling as a film seller and I can not recommend purchasing anything from his Mediavana website. You might find something you like and then, 3 months later, be begging him to buy it and get a "Rolling Eyes" icon in response.
Andreas, it is not an honest buyer like me, nor eBay that hurts the hobby. It is people like you who interact rudely with other film collectors that hurts it.
Sincerely,
Mike Williamson
[ August 04, 2008, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Mike Williamson ]
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 04, 2008, 04:42 AM:
16mm features in Germany always costs about 200 EUR.
I bought the print for slight over 200,- EUR some years ago.
I was willing to give you the print 25% cheaper.
You first wasnīt interested in paying the paypal fees.
If I would pay it, than I would give you the print cheaper as cheaper.
Thats what I call the hobby cannibalism ebay rules!!!
.... and you started here a topic called "Andreas Eggeling".
Did I fraud you??? NO!!
Negotiations can break.
But rude me, I think I will survive it.
Posted by Robert Aragon (Member # 181) on August 04, 2008, 05:29 AM:
Wow Mike...
you are so OFF base when it comes to Andreas.
I have purchased countless prints from him. He is MY ONLY SOURCE for Prints from Germany. Andreas has always been polite and helpful. HE has always BEEN HONEST, FAIR and accurate in the descriptions and selling of the films. I use to sell films myself, until I realized I couldnt make EVERYONE happy. I read the above, and I do not feel Andreas is ripping you off. As for the Paypal fees..I think it's the buyers responsibility. If Andreas forgot to mention it before hand....big deal. He IS human, even though HE IS GERMAN.
I think they are still human.
What are the paypal fees? 10 bucks? Come on man! Silly Stuff Mike! You're grasping.
There should be a give and take and a common courtesy NOT ONLY from the seller, but from the BUYER as well. The costumer is NOT always right. Wait..you didn't even BUY anything!
Perhaps Andreas felt you weren't truly interested In the Print...
OR He didnt like you. I'm not sure. But, for whatever reason he had, it's his right not to sell to you. As for NOT checking the print...PLEASE do remember, ENGLISH is his second or 3rd language. An admirable thing considering MOST Americans speak only 1....Doesn't say much about the U.S., I digress into a social statement.
Anyway, back to Andreas..OH YEA, PLUS, he HAS A LIFE, I'm sure he does. Even though he IS German, he may still have a life. Give a LITTLE Mike, it'll make the world a little nicer.
There was no money transfered...so, he was NOT Obligated to you.
So, Speaking for myself and MANY other Collectors I KNOW that have purchased from ANDREAS. He is TOP NOTCH and simply THE BEST in GERMANY!
PS...Mike,it may not have occured to you. But, your post does not help your arguement since it makes you come across as a childish and vengeful sort of collector. You also State "Again...I want to reiterate...I WAS NEVER RUDE TO ANDREAS".
What the hell do you call an ANTI-ANDREAS post. Not nice OR FAIR.
Thought I'd let you know,
Signed, it's not that big of a deal
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on August 04, 2008, 06:55 AM:
Man, I don't want to get envolved in this thing at all. But I would like this to be resolved.
From what I see, Andreas has been a good super 8 provider for collectors for many years. As Robert says, he's human. Possibly the whole business transaction with Mike could have been smoother. We have all probably experienced transactions with excellent super 8 dealers, that on one or two occassions, did not go as smooth as we wanted.
On the other hand, Mike had a bad experience in trying to make this purchace, and wants to voice his frustration, which I think he felt was a last resort to make the transaction.
We all make mistakes from time to time. I don't think there are really any sides to take on this issue. Both seem like good guys, and this particular deal went sour.
I hope it can be let go now.
P.S.-
Now that both parties have been able to voice their thoughts, I vote that this thread could be removed .
James.
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 04, 2008, 09:47 AM:
This was not an anti-Andreas topic. This topic was started to see if he could be reached as he had not responded to my emails in two weeks, after two months of unnecessarily difficult back-and-forth.
It was Andreas who decided to post here publicly with a ridiculous tirade against me and eBay. It was he who turned this thread negative. Please re-read the sequence of events.
Since Andreas felt it appropriate to publicly discuss what I did "wrong" as a customer, I thought it only fair to publish my side of the story.
I am aware Andreas is well liked here. This is not the issue. The issue is he made it very difficult for me to buy something from him due to an unwillingness to check the print after 10 weeks of asking, and a tendency to never respond to emails.
Yes, he has a life. But he also has a film sales website. I expect someone who goes through the trouble to establish themselves as a film seller to act like one. Not make me feel as if I am a nuisance for asking if an R rated film is uncut.
And re-read again about the Paypal fees. I would have paid them in a heartbeat under normal circumstances, but I had been so frustrated with the lack of communication from Andreas - unless he was talking about money - that it was a matter of principal. After 10 weeks he refused to spend 5 minutes to check the print. But his last two emails to me bumped up the price of this print almost 50 Euro, based on higher shipping than quoted and new Paypal fees.
I was feeling like I was being taken for a ride.
At the beginning of this thread I stated that I knew Andreas was thought to be a trustworthy and valued member of the film community. This is why I tried to reach out to him here. I was (and still am) utterly confused by his actions as a seller. How can this person, who strung me along for 10 weeks then canceled a sale because he didn't like that HE made ME upset, be the same Andreas everyone else applauds?
I still do not know.
I feel I did everything a buyer should do in a transaction, and overstepped no bounds. I asked for a price quote and print condition. That's IT. With both of those, Andreas failed to deliver any consistency with the sale.
I am very sorry this sale did not happen. As you can imagine, I really wanted the print, and it was very upsetting to almost have it for ten...long...weeks...only to see it disappear through no fault of my own. Like I said, I agreed to ALL his terms, including Paypal fees. But in the end it was Andreas' ego, and his bizarre association with me as the "evil eBay mentality" who ended it all.
I have spoken honestly and matter-of-factly in these posts, and would appreciate they not be removed, as suggested by an above poster. My experience is legitimate, and so are my claims.
Mike
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 04, 2008, 10:03 AM:
Not that Mike needs verification but, I just want to say that he has bought from me in the past and I had absolutely no problems - excellent communication and excellent outcome. I would not hesitate for one second to deal with him again.
Its always a shame when a film deal doesn't work out like this for whatever reason.
But, I agree with Mike - no reason to remove the thread from the forum.
-Mike (O'Regan)
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 04, 2008, 10:25 AM:
Thanks, Mike. I appreciate the comment. I realize I am not a familiar name on this forum, but am very active on the 16mm Film Talk forum.
Mike O'Regan sold me one of my favorite prints and I found him to be very detailed with his description of film condition, and a very personable guy, too. A great transaction.
I've bought about fifty 16mm features from all over the world in the last couple years, and this transaction with Andreas is one of the only unfortunate events I've encountered.
Other than the guy in Australia who sold me a print with the last 20 minutes missing. Which is why I'm such a stickler for the seller knowing what they are selling me and checking the print.
Mike
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on August 04, 2008, 02:28 PM:
I though Mike Williams' post at the top was very polite. He stated he was ready to pay all fees and complete the transaction. When Andreas replied intially he seemed to be disturbed about the transaction and Mike's post, then proceeded to bring Ebay, big business and the his belief that the 8mm hobby is in decline because of Ebay.
I post here more than other forums because the members are polite and above all have a great sense of humor, plus no poltics or religious views are allowed. So what's up with the irritating reply to Mike Williams.
I have sold over 5000 films on Ebay and I don't think I've hurt the collecting hobby, but rather provided a service. In this new era of internet information, I think Ebay and other websites have helped save the hobby. Let's face it, people just don't buy from paper publications like they used to. Andreas, even you are selling on the world wide web.
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on August 04, 2008, 03:07 PM:
I thing also that is no reason to remove this topic. As also a collector/dealer from Germany, I would say, it was much better to sell something years ago before euro. At this time was the profit very high. For example if you sold something for $100, you get 250 German Mark, that was ca. 125 Euro. Now you get for $100 only 65 Euro. Minus ebay and paypal fees maybe ca. 50 Euro.
Yes itīs difficult to sell something on ebay and dealing with oversea is no more profitable.
But this is not a ebay deal and if someone use a website like Andreas to offer films for sale, itīs sellers (his) job to say a total in US Dollar and not Euro and of corse without extra fees etc.
I cantīgo to a supermarket and want buy something and they tell me at the cashpoint "hey you must pay also the sale Tax".
Andreas was not very proffesional.
Itīs a little bit different, if a collector sell to another collector and they do this not often.
Ok, Andreas is also a collector but he want to be a dealer and if he want to be a good dealer, it is very important to give a good service and this sounds like a unprofessional customer service.
A Tip for Andreas: I price my films a little bit higher and take much less for shipping as I actualy pay, because if I take the same shipping price like a US dealer, itīs sounds much better for the US buyer.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 04, 2008, 04:08 PM:
Paypal fees should not have been a separate issue, in any case, in my opinion.
Usually a seller will allow for these fees plus other possible expenses such as Ebay listing fees in the asking price for the particular item.
So, not sure why these suddenly came up at the end of the negotiations.
-Mike
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 04, 2008, 04:45 PM:
21 answers to this topic. Does I getting famous or am I already?
Hey Oemer,
quote:
Ok, Andreas is also a collector but he want to be a dealer and if he want to be a good dealer, it is very important to give a good service and this sounds like a unprofessional customer service.
1. I selling my collection but I donīt it give away.
2. You comparing me with a supermarket. I am not supermarket.
Paypal fees are costs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE P & P
Any reasons why the seller should have to pay the paypal fees automatically??
If I see a product on a website, I canīt say ...oh nice .. I want it ... but the seller have to pay the p & p, costs of financial transactions, bank fees, have to pay the petrol I need to pick it up from the post office ..... Hello?
3. If I have a problem with someone of this forum here or outside the forum, I would never come to the idea to make a topic with his name. Hello?
4. Everybody who sells and buy on ebay or here is a "dealer" too.
Ans less deals on ebay would be better to Ltdīs like Derann.
EBAY AND EBAY RULES ARE THE DEAD OF OUR HOBBY!!!
Amen
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 04, 2008, 05:08 PM:
Andreas-
I did not come here and start a topic on this forum because I had a problem with you.
I started this topic because I hadn't heard from you in weeks and thought my email might be bouncing (I have had this happen with my email to Europe, for some reason). Since I initially heard of you from this forum, I thought you, or someone you might know, could contact you so we could finish the transaction.
Did you even read the first post?
It was you, and continues to be you, who is hostile here. I'm still wondering why your attitude is so out of line with what happened with our transaction.
Mike
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on August 04, 2008, 05:15 PM:
As always I do not know the specifics of this situation but in my dealings with Andreas, they have all been wonderful. He sold me a print of "Zombie" and told me of the print quality. And it was great as he said. I wanted to buy "War of the Gargantuans" and he had it for sale but he advised me that the color was very warm and if I really wanted it I could have it..but he did warn me. And I passed.
In regards to Paypal fees, when dealing overseas, I expect to pay Paypal fees in most cases. If you email sellers in Germany some do not accept paypal fees unless you pay the 3%. Even at 3% it is still cheaper than changing the money into Euros over here and risk sending the cash overseas or doing a bank transfer. My bank charges me $50 for a bank transfer!!
Not everyone can get along in this world but In my dealings with Andreas I have found him to be a very good and honest seller and I can recommend him whole heartedly. He doesn't give me the feel of a egotistical seller but a collector like one of us. Plus...he does have titles that we cannot get here in the states. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I hope you can work things out.
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 04, 2008, 05:24 PM:
Alan -
That's exactly what I came here to do...To work things out. It seems Andreas is not interested in working it out. Instead he continues to rant about eBay. Which has nothing to do with me or our transaction.
The Paypal issue is moot. I agreed weeks ago to pay his fees. I had a knee jerk reaction when he asked for it since I had been frustrated with the way he treated me, but literally the next day I sent him an email that said, basically, "sorry about that. I was having a bad day. I'll of course pay the fees."
He obviously has some sort of grudge against ebay that he is taking out on me, because ebay won't listen. It seems it's making him feel better to deny me a sale, because he feels he's sticking it to eBay. Totally irrational, if you ask me.
Anyways...I'm still here, Andreas, and still have the same agenda. All I ever wanted to do was communicate again and finish the transaction. I am not eBay. I'm just Mike. A fan of PET SEMATARY.
Mike
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on August 04, 2008, 05:33 PM:
I agree with Mike. Mike's post have been friendly. For some reason that I know not, Andreas is not coming across as Mr. friendly dealer. I detect an attitude that is a bit condescending. Why????
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on August 04, 2008, 05:41 PM:
You canīt pray how bad is the ebay world with his fees and do the same with your paypal fees.
If I understand right: you wanted 165 Euro cash in your hand, why you cant say please send me $312
If he send $312 to you, you get $299,5 (if you have a dealer paypal account: The fees are 3,9%+ 0,3 cent.
$299,5 are 197,5 Euro. Shipping for max. 5 kg cost 32 Euro.
So you get 165,5 Euro.
Is the parcel is more than 5 kg you need 10 Euro more (42 Euro for 5-20 kg) that is $328.
Itīs more easy for a buyer to see what he must pay and not 165 Euro.
Nobody say you must sell your films for peanuts, I mean it make it easy for both, if you as a dealer say clear what he must pay.
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on August 04, 2008, 05:49 PM:
As moderator I would like to come in here and say that I think this thread seems to be going off towards an Andreas flaming which we will NOT tolerate on this forum.
I think that this thread has got a bit out of hand ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
It's quite possible Mike that the rolling eyes from Joe was aimed at the posts above about Andreas's web site and not anything to do with you personally.
With most sales I have ever conducted with another buyer I ask the questions about film quality etc first before jumping in to agree a price. Price normally gets talked about after you find out what it is your buying.
The fact that Andreas knocked the price down for you and then asked for the PayPal expense I dont think is out of order. He would have lost about another 4% on top of the generous discount he had already given you. When using PayPal its the seller that pays the expenses so you cant expect to have it all ways can you!
Now back to Andreas's first reply. When I read that I could see the humor that Andreas was putting forward to start with and this is where I think this all broke down. It must be remembered that Andreas is German and I think the way he wrote his reply didn't quite come across as funny although it was intended to be so and then I think he wrote the rest out of frustration. Please remember that you re dealing with someone whose native lang is NOT English so you must take this into account.
The comments saying that Andreas was rude was a recipe to disaster The way that non English people write can sometimes come across the wrong way.
Mike your right. Andreas is a respected member of this community as reading old posts will show so I would think that you would realise that if you were not getting replies it was either that he thought the transaction was going nowhere or he wasn't getting all your emails. Emails do bounce or dont get to their intended destination due to spam filters and the like so these things are also sent to try us.
Who the blame lies with is not my concern or others on this forum. We don't need to see a catalogue of events from either party.
This should now be sorted out between the 2 of you via private email and not here on an open forum for all to read.
If either party wants to comment as to how the transaction finalises or not, then do so. What I will say is that if this post turns any nastier I will have no option but to step in and close it or remove it completely.
You have been warned ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
This post should really have been quite simply called "Andreas Eggeling please contact me" and left at that.
Kevin.
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 04, 2008, 05:57 PM:
Feel like in a cheap telenovela
Critic to Oemer:
Oemer,
du hast keine Ahnung, halt dich doch einfach raus. Danke.
und ich glaube es geht dich auch nichts an. Es ist schon schlimm,
wenn hier ein topic mit meinem Namen existiert, da muss du nicht noch den Schlaumeier machen.
For the others .. it is midnight here .. I go sleeping now..
To be continued
Executive Producer ..... ?????
End of this episode ... switch on tomorrow when Iīll be back
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on August 04, 2008, 06:02 PM:
No please don't continue. Do this off the forum.
If you guys wish to moan abut eBay policies then please start a new thread.
Thanks, Kevin.
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 04, 2008, 06:18 PM:
I made the decision over a year ago to step out from this hobby,
and sell step by step my collection, this case makes it easier.
Hope that eBay will bring out new releases for you and step into
making spare parts for equipment.
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 04, 2008, 06:25 PM:
Following Kevin's advice, I will once again try to solve this with Andreas privately.
Andreas, I will send you another email in just a bit. I hope you will respond. I still would like to buy the print, and as I've stated here, agree to the price you quoted me, paypal fees included.
I do not want any hostility between us. I see no reason this can't be worked out.
Mike
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on August 04, 2008, 06:50 PM:
Mike, Good man
Andreas, please now sort this with Mike off the forum.
BTW guys I had a really exasperating time just recently and yes it took me about 3 months to complete a deal with a seller in the US.
This seller does not own his own computer but uses a computer at his local library once a week only.
You can imagine the time and frustration asking questions and then having to wait a week for a reply.
In the end the transaction took place and its now one of the best prints I have in my collection. The seller is now one of the guys I would recommend to anyone but with this guy Patience is a Virtue as the saying goes.
Kev.
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on August 04, 2008, 07:46 PM:
Kev, how very diplomatic! I never thought about the meaning being misunderstood because it was not in his native language. My apologies to Andreas. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Mike is a swell guy too. Me? Now that's another story. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on August 04, 2008, 08:57 PM:
Hi Andreas can you email me please, I lost your email address and was after some advice I think you may be able to help me with please.
Many thanks Mark.
You can access my email above.
PS this post doesn`t feel quite 8mm forum-ish if you will.
Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 05, 2008, 02:54 AM:
I agree with Kevin and Mark regarding the above.
This post is like watching a "soap opera". It is one of those "episodes" where it is depressing, but compulsive viewing and not something that is the norm on this Forum. It tends to leave a "bad taste in the mouth" reading about two collectors "arguing in public".
I don't wish to take sides, but in light of what Kevin said, you can read this thread in numerous ways and each party concerned is the villain or hero, when in actual fact, neither are!
Mike admits the frustration of not speaking German and having to use a translation programme at some stage. Andreas could have the same problem with language communication. Using a computer translation programme can "distort" the most innocent phrase into an insult for the recipient party, if you are not careful. The progarmme will not "translate" emotions the way spoken speech will. Always remember that what one says in one language, that is humerous, can "translate" as an insult in another. The same can be said when "freely translating" into another language, in the written form. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
The outcome that all forum members would like to see, I'm sure, is a happy one.
Mike gets his much sought after film.
Andreas gets his financial reward - all's well.
But, I feel it should be done in private, not in public.There is always a risk (and I see it happening here) that people "take sides" without being in "full possesion of all the facts" and you get a "split jury that argues amongst itself".
Lets not have a "split forum"!
The love of film, technical info exchange, friendship and good humour (or "warped humour, at times" ) is what this forum is all about. Let's get away from the "crones sitting around the guilotine waiting to see the head drop" scenario and back to what we are good at!
That's my opinion of the matter - no offence intended to anyone, whatever their nationality, or native language.
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 05, 2008, 04:47 AM:
Good morning and hello,
welcome back to the fantastic soap opera
"The celluloid family"
Will Andreas sell the print? Does he slept well?
Did he stand up with the right leg?
Commercial break
(Raider was the name in some european countries for a long time...)
Andreas got a message from Mike (Burbank) and answered it friendly. (hope it was)....and got a 2nd message few minutes later but didnīt answer still now ... was to late.
Andreas slept well, cause of rainy fresh air from outside.
Andreas reading news on homepages of newspapers. New York professor Nouriel Roubini prophecy hundreds of bankruptcy of banks in the US. Greenspan talks about big economical crises of century.
commercial break
(... and was rebranded to Twix later.)
Does Andreas trust paypal transactions cause of this news?
Will he sell the print?
closeup view of Andreas.
Picture freeze.
Titles:
To be continued.
Executive Producer: N.N.
Can this topic be withdrawn?
Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 05, 2008, 06:34 AM:
Quite frankly, now that we have entered the realms of "sarcasm" then perhaps the "topic" would be best removed. If we are not carefull, this "post" could "explode" out of all proportion and turn very nasty indeed.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
Posted by Ralf Hoff (Member # 36) on August 05, 2008, 06:54 AM:
Hello to all,
I think Keith is on the right way. People must be carefully with their posts. Here in Germany whe have also a 8mm forum and many of the posts (threads) are not carefully. At the end of all the forum now will be closed.
Ralf
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 05, 2008, 07:08 AM:
I don't see what the big deal is - just let Mike and Andreas deal with it privately.
End of story!
-Mike
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on August 05, 2008, 05:42 PM:
Which they are now doing
Lets hope they manage to work out a deal.
Kev.
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 06, 2008, 04:35 PM:
Since Kevin said we could post the outcome of all this here when the transaction had finality, I am posting here to report that...
Unfortunately, Andreas will not sell the print to me.
He responded to one email I sent a few days ago, stating he decided he didn't want to accept Paypal payments from an American because he read banks are going bankrupt here and he didn't trust the payment would go through. (An unfounded fear, based in no fact)
When I emailed him again to please check my 10 years of feedback on eBay with no negatives to ease his mind that I would not send him a faulty Paypal payment (if it's even possible), he did not respond.
I sent another email today asking him if he could give me a final decision, and he did reply with a 5 word response: "I donīt want to sell."
So, that's it guys. The end of the story.
The lesson I learned? Well...Uhh...Hmm. Not sure really.
The moral of the story? That would have to be...Ummm...Hmmmm...
I guess the moral is I should never get too excited about a print. Because even if it's for sale...And even if the seller will sell it to me...You never know what kind of inexplicable stuff will go down that will keep it in Germany.
Goodbye, Pet Sematary print. I hardly knew you.
Mike
PS: I changed the title of this topic from "Andreas Eggeling???" to "Pet Sematary print" because Andreas said he didn't like a topic with his name on the forum. And out of respect for his feelings, I adjusted it.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on August 06, 2008, 05:04 PM:
I'm a new member here. Hope I don't see too many threads like this again.
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 06, 2008, 05:15 PM:
Steven, you are right.
I asking Kevin today AGAIN to erase this painfully topic from the forum.
Where I am, that I have to warrant me if I sell a print or not???
I ask all forum members, would you like to see a topic where interested buyers to force you to sell a print?
So PLEASE Kevin or Douglas erase this topic.
I am really pissed off.
Mike Williamson you will NEVER NEVER get this print.
Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on August 06, 2008, 05:22 PM:
This is the LAST post I will make in this topic.
I just want to remind everyone ...This topic was not started to "force" Andreas into a sale.
This topic was started to try and contact him. I thought my emails were bouncing. There was no negativity in my post.
It was Andreas who publicly listed a detail of the account, including a tirade against me and eBay, first. I responded with another private email.
If Andreas was shy about being in the public eye with his views, he should not have posted them on an open forum. No one forced him to a keyboard.
The End.
Mike
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 06, 2008, 05:27 PM:
Sorry guys, this is like stalking.
Dozens of emails from him.
Mike was it who start a topic about a perhaps coming up deal with me.
And his first posting here I felt it was negative.
One reason of NO DEAL.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on August 06, 2008, 05:39 PM:
Guys! Life is too short for this - all over 'Pet Sematary'.
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on August 06, 2008, 06:13 PM:
No guys I'm having the last word here
I have decided to leave the topic here for others to read if they so wish but I am now closing it as I dont want this to go on for an eternity. As Steve says "Life is too short".
What started out as a Please email me request got a reply which I think I too would have been a little surprised at getting.
A translation from German to English above was also eye opening. Oemer's comments I thought were quite valid.
At the end of the day Andreas is not selling the print and I just wish he had said so politely at the start. Not quite the way to do business
Anyway it's over now and I don't as moderator want to see a repeat of this as I will just have the members concerned kicked off. So guys and any gals reading this you have all been warned ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
Kev.
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