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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 08, 2008, 11:44 AM:

Hey folks, a new topic, at least one I haven't seen in awhile ...

What 3D films do you have?

I have

It Came From Outer Space 400ft 3D
Pardon My Clutch: Three Stooges 400ft 3D

One that I WISH would have been released in 3D?

The Tell tale Heart (Animated UPA Productions. 1950's)'

According to Leonard Maltin, film critic and author of "Of Mice and Magic" A History of American Animated cartoons (excellent book!), he states that this cartoon was actually shot and poduced in 3D, but since the craze had already died by the time this film was finished, it was never actually released in 3D.

Wish list film in 3D ...

LumberJack Rabbit (Bug's Bunny), Only 3D cartoon by Warner Bros.
The Warners logo (sheild) actually jumps far future at the audience at the beginning! If anyone happens to find a good 35MM copy from the 50's, get it to Derann, I bet that they would definitely release it!

Also, this would be a good time to do a history of 3D titles on Super 8/Standard 8!

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on October 08, 2008, 11:55 AM:

I have the usual ones...the newer Derann version of Creature from the Black Lagoon... the u8 of It Came from Outer Space...plus a 16mm of Third Dimensional Murder. I did have Pardon My Backfire..but it was awful....so I sold it. I also bought back inthe 60's...two standard 8mm silent clips from the Three Stooges Spooks....one had really good 3 d..the other was printed a bit dark and had more red/purple hue...and was not as good.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 08, 2008, 12:14 PM:

I have the new Derann release of 'Creature from the Black Lagoon'. It's exactly the same as the original Universal 8 release, minus the U8 logo and end title.
In general I am not enthusiastic about 3D on super 8. The anaglyphic system is primitive by modern standards, and because of the innaccuracies of color printing, there is always double imaging using the red and green glasses. The 3D effects on 'Creature' range from awful to not bad, depending on the scene. But watching this 400ft film is a real strain on the eyes and the brain, and leaves my head swimming by the end of the reel. A non-3d 400ft Creature digest would have been a lot better.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 08, 2008, 01:01 PM:

I have 2 prints of "Creature". My first print, purchased in 1977, has faded to the point where the effect is negligible. The 2nd copy (U-8, eBay) is great. I disagree with Paul as this is one of my favorite prints and so incredibly well edited. I've probably screened this title more than any other in my collection.
"It Came From Outer Space" is a decent edit. That one scene with the rocks falling gets me every time!
My print of "Pardon My Backfire" has terrific 3D effects.
"Third Dimensional Murder" has never worked well for me.
"Audioscopiks" is a little better.
Columbia's 400' "The Mad Magician" is a beautiful print with splendid 3D effects. Unfortunately the digest is edited poorly. The much older 200' silent version has faded completely.
Strangely enough, I have Standard 8mm prints of both Three Stooges 3D 50 footers that have held up very well!

Here's an earlier 3D thread.

Doug

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 08, 2008, 02:31 PM:

I'm glad that you mentioned those two Three Stooges 3D shorts, both taken from "Spooks", which had some great pie fighting in 3D, right?

By the way, I mis-spoke, it was "pardon My backfire" not Pardon My clutch" another Three Stooges with Shemp.

Was your problem with "Pardon My backfire because of a re-occuring film lab mistake?

Through most of copy of that short, there is a very nerve wracking film lab "stain" that takes away from the short, as well as sound going in and out. I got this from Paul Foster, (he didn't tell me of any problems with it ahead of time, he might not have known), but I never returned it as the post was unreasonable.

Posted by Roy Neil (Member # 913) on October 08, 2008, 03:17 PM:

I could create the same lens for Super8 that I use when projecting 3D films in 35mm - its the polarized system and would require a silver screen

Osi if you had a reduction of StarChaser this would work for that print and others like it.

Always wished 'someone'printed Over/Under 3D films in Super8 ...

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on October 08, 2008, 04:36 PM:

I have what most people have:
- Creature (later U8 batch, good effects)
- It came...
- Mad Magician (slightly faded)
- 3 Dimension murder (never been too enthiastic about this one...)

But nothing beats my View Master collection for 3D... [Big Grin]

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on October 08, 2008, 04:37 PM:

Roy, i've always loved 3-D films. I saw Andy Warhol's Frankenstein when it was released in 1973(?), and I was amazed at the 3-D effect. I literally swatted at the bats! Then, in 1982 I went to see Friday the 13th 3-D. They installed the silver screen just for this film...WOW! best 3-D i've EVER seen! [Smile]

Getting back to the post, I have Creature, Pardon, and Murder in 3-D.

Posted by Kevan Ellis (Member # 1232) on October 08, 2008, 09:34 PM:

I Have None

Boo Hoo [Frown]

Kevan

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 08, 2008, 10:16 PM:

well Kevan,

at least, if you should chose to collect a few, the prints that Derann is manufacturing these days (reprints of It came From Outer Space and Creature From The Black Lagoon), are on low fade L.P.P. and as others hasd already stated, as long as the film doesn't fade, it keeps the 3D effects quite well. They also manufactured the vintage prints of "Pardon My Backfire" (already mentioned) by the three stooges.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 09, 2008, 09:02 AM:

The biggest problem I have with the 3D films is the loss of brightness through those red and green glasses, the picture looks so dim compared with normal projection so your eyes are constantly struggling to make out details in the picture. Maybe if you had a GS Xenon things would be ok, but I find the picture quality unnacceptable for the most part.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 09, 2008, 11:18 AM:

That is true Paul. I tend to project my 3D's a little smaller with the projector a little closer to the screen.

Still, it's a nice thrill when (with It came From Outer Space, for instance) a rock hurtles right at the screen from out of nowhere! Those thrills ... still thrill.

Doug ...

What film stock are those 50ft 3D Stooge releases from "Spooks" on? I'd be curious, as I bet it's got to be Kodachrome or another long laasting stock. eastman would have faded a LONG time ago and made the 3D thrills kaput!

Posted by Kevan Ellis (Member # 1232) on October 10, 2008, 07:01 AM:

Osi

Yes I hope to own all three of them by winters end.

Paul

Had some trouble with a dry, jumpy film used ArmourAll Protecten on it and buffed with soft flannal cotton. Man, It's just like new. Thanks

Kevan

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 10, 2008, 11:02 AM:

Hi Kevan,
Glad to hear that someone else is getting good results with ArmourAll protectant wipes. I have been using it for several years now with no adverse effects on the film, and as you say it really does a good job of smoothing the running of dried and warped film. My main reason for using it is safety, I just do not trust the safety of film cleaners with strong solvents.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 10, 2008, 11:56 AM:

Good heavens Paul!

All of this time I've been thinking that everybody was pulling my leg about that armour all use.

A question Paul, how long have you been using it? The reason why I ask is with a product that's not specifically used for films could potentially have bad ramifications in the long run. have you seen the "long run" yet?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 10, 2008, 12:04 PM:

If the discussion turns to ArmourAll, please start a new thread, or revive one of the old ones. Thanks.

Doug

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on October 10, 2008, 02:42 PM:

I have all of them except the 200ft MAD MAGICIAN (does it have any scenes not in the 400ft version?) and TAILS OF TERROR (which duplicates several scenes from SPOOKS.)
Thankfully all are good copies.The two Universals are original U8 prints and THIRD DIMENSIONAL MURDER is an original Eric Spilker print. incidentally have you noticed that the b&w 200ft version of IT CAME....has totally different scenes from the 400 ft one?

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 10, 2008, 03:12 PM:

Was the 200ft version of "It Came From Outer Space" ever released in 3D? Even if not, it might be interesting to put that info into the film.

Sorry about getting the postings off track ... bad OSI (slap of hand).

Posted by Kevan Ellis (Member # 1232) on October 10, 2008, 06:55 PM:

Osi
I have to take the 30 lashing with 8mm film for getting us off topic. Sorry Douglas.

I just wanted to thaks Paul then and now because I don't think he would read the old posts. I have read them all and find it very interesting about SHHHH Don't Say IT. [Wink]

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on October 10, 2008, 07:55 PM:

I have THE MAD MAGICIAN 400FT with Vincent Price.
also a 35mm copy of ANDY WARHOL'S THE FLESH OF FRANKENSTEIN a crap story but alot of great 3d shots of blood/guts etc.
Pat

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 10, 2008, 08:12 PM:

Osi & Kevan,

Thanks for returning to the topic! Osi, the 200 ft versions of both "Creature" & "It Came From Outer Space" were released only in 2-D by Castle in 1957. The 200' "Creature" has some additional footage that would cut nicely into the longer digest except that it lacks the extra dimension.

Panayotis,
Just as you pointed out with IT CAME..., the 200' "Mad Magician" (released years before and only in a silent version) has different scenes than the 400 footer. I think the edit is better in the shorter release.

Doug

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 10, 2008, 08:19 PM:

From the 1971 Columbia catalog.

Doug

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 10, 2008, 10:48 PM:

Doug,

Along with the 2 50ft 3D "Spooks", do you have this, (I take it) 400ft edition?

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on October 11, 2008, 06:26 AM:

Osi,
From memory I've the usual titles in anaglyphic 3-D and some not so [Wink]

SUPER 8mm
CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON 400ft 3-D
IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE 400ft 3-D
PARDON MY BACKFIRE 400ft 3-D
MAD MAGICIAN 400ft 3-D
THIRD DIMENTIONAL MURDER 200ft 3-D
METROSCOPIKS 200ft 3-D
AUDIOSCOPIKS 200ft 3-D

STANDARD 8mm
MAD MAGICIAN 200ft (SILENT) 3-D
TALES OF HORROR 50ft (SILENT) 3-D
SPOOKS 50ft (SILENT) 3-D

16mm
CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON 800ft 3-D
IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE 800ft 3-D
Plus the first 1200' of a feature print of CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON 3-D (which would be nice to tag onto the 400 footer (Derann?))

16MM COMPLETE FULL LENGTH FEATURE PRINTS
CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON 3-D
REVENGE OF THE CREATURE 3-D
MAD MAGICIAN 3-D

Patrick,
Tell us about your 35mm copy of FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN, what 3-d format is it? Over/Under? Side by Side? Anaglyphic?

DOUG,
Nice artwork!

Rick

[ January 27, 2018, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 11, 2008, 09:48 AM:

Ricky,

Wow, three great titles in 16mm!

Osi,

The film in the catalog is the 200' silent version. I do have both.

Doug

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 11, 2008, 10:01 AM:

Doug,

It would seem that you have most of that short, (Spooks), as the usual Stooge short, as you know, is approximately 2X200!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 11, 2008, 10:20 AM:

Osi,

Sorry, I misunderstood. The Stooges 3D shorts were only available in 50'. Columbia did put out a standard depth(!) 200' silent edition of "Spooks" but as far as I know, they never released a 400 footer.

Doug

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 11, 2008, 02:07 PM:

Yeah Doug,

At one time, I had the 200ft 'Spooks', I always wondered why the doctor was pointing that needle right me.

Doug, would you, (or anyone else) know of any 3D films that were made before "Bwana Devil" (I think that was the first "Hollywood release")? I'm betting that there were some experiments in 3D.

... and I'd still love to find a 35MM theatrical print of "Lumberjack Rabbit", I think it's the only chance that we'd have of getting that Bug's Bunny cartoon on Super 8 in 3D. I bet that Derann or CHC (depending on the quality of the print), would jump at releasing that as a short! It would definitely be assured of being a technicolor print and not Eastman, as Warners hadn't moved to Eastman yet.

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on October 11, 2008, 08:43 PM:

Osi,

Warners "Lumberjack Rabbit" would have been a dual projector print i.e. separate Left and Right prints. I have an IB 16mm copy of (I think) the Left hand print, the channel ID is printed on the countdown leader.

Rick

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 11, 2008, 10:24 PM:

Osi,

From the program for "World 3-D Film Expo": The first 3D feature was "The Power of Love" (1922). All of the anaglyph prints are believed to be lost. The 1939 World's fair in NY featured "Motor Rhythym", a short 3D film for the Plymouth car company. This was the first time mass audiences saw 3D using polarizng glasses.

Doug

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 12, 2008, 05:07 PM:

That's absolutely fascinating Rick ...

I automatically assumed that it would be the red/blue glasses variety of 3D. So, they had competing styles of 3D back in the early fifties?

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on October 13, 2008, 06:47 AM:

Osi,
From your posts I assume you didn't know about the early "two strip" methods? I was the opposite until about 4 years ago; I had never heard of "over and under" until Maurice Leakey put me onto "3D MOVIES. A history and filmography of Stereoscopic Cinema" by R.M.HAYES, published by McFarland Classics in the States. ISBN 0-7864-0578-3. It's an absolutely riveting read, both from the Collector and Technical point of view.
I now have quite a library on the technical aspects of 3-D... see my footnote.

Martin

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on October 15, 2008, 07:28 AM:

Yeah Osi,

Warner Brothers early 3-D system called 'NaturalVision' utilised 2 prints for the Left and Right images with 2 projectors interlocked to run both images in sync. The images were polarised with opposing filters and overlaid on screen (silver reflective screen). The viewers polarised glasses then only allowed the correct image to be seen by the appropriate eye and voila 3-Dimensions!

Other studios use similar 2 projector systems and this is the best system for full resolution on 35mm as opposed to the over/under and side-by-side systems, although it takes great skill to project successfully. Also these early Warner 3-D films had an intermission around 1 hour into the story to allow for a reel change because the 2 projector change-over systems were being used to project the 2 prints and 6000’ of film was usually the limit!

My very first boss was once the chief at the Warner Brothers theatre in London’s Leicester Square and had many a tale to tell regarding the 3-D engagements of the 50's!

Ricky

[ February 14, 2009, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

Posted by Mike Williamson (Member # 796) on November 03, 2008, 12:34 AM:

This Halloween I ran 16mm 3D prints of THIRD DIMENSIONAL MURDER and the CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON Universal 8 digest. The audience loved it!

Is there any sort of comprehensive list someone in the know could generate which lists all known 16mm anaglyph 3D prints available? Both full features and shorts...

I'd love to know what to keep an eye out for. Ricky's list of what he owns seems pretty comprehensive, but maybe there's more?

Many thanks.

Posted by Antonis Galanakis (Member # 1455) on February 14, 2009, 02:28 AM:

I have just bought, in one set, for 99.00 UKP (114.00 Euros)

The Mad Magician 400ft
Creature From The Black Lagoon 400ft
It Came From Outer Space 400ft

Mad Magician is from "Columbia Pictures"
Creature and Space are from "Universal 8"

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190286779861&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

I am very happy about it!!!

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