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Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on January 20, 2009, 11:20 PM:

Tonight while working on films, I decided to check the leaders on my print of GODFATHER. I also reeled in a few feet to the movie, and checked the fade. It was obvious, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

But one thing I have noticed....why is it that a movie studio logo can have bright vivid colors, yet the print that the logo is attached to is going fade? And I do not mean when it is spliced to the print because that is not always the case. In my situation, it was lab/neg spliced, and/or original to the first reel of the movie.

Anyone care to answer this?

CG

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on January 21, 2009, 02:44 AM:

Hi Chip
I have noticed this as well on my 400fter of STARWARS the Fox logo has no fade and is sharp as a tack but when the film begins the fade is there and well as a slightly poor focused picture, if you watch it closely when the logo finishes there is a splice right on the frame line where it has been spliced together during the editing process.
Patrick

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 21, 2009, 01:20 PM:

I too have run into this. I noticed the opposite, when I looked at the logo for a james Bond print, (Diamonds are Forever), and the UA logo had a purplish fade, and purplish blacks, and then, when the film starts, the actual print color turns to a more natural brownish black, (I say brownish, as the film is faded).

I think in both cases, though the sharpness of the print os outstanding, I think the original master negative was less than desireable to begin with, unrestored, and so the colors would not look quite up to snuff, especially when I saw that the actual leader, unspilced on but original, had very strong blacks.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 21, 2009, 11:50 PM:

Could it be the copy rights owner gave substandard negative for the 8mm format for the sake of their policy?

regards,

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 22, 2009, 11:21 AM:

Winbert,

Good point, but I don't think someone would go out of they're way to have a color faded negative go through for the printing. As Tom Pennock informed me (another proud member of our forum, by the way, would love to hear from ya Tom), said that "Cubby Bricolli" son of the producer of the films, actually supervised the printing of these ...

... but that doesn't automatically mean that ole "Cubby" is a specialist as to whether something is faded. It may not have seemed apparant at the time.

You would think that in some cases, the studio would know better, especially when dealing with professional Super 8 companies, for instance, the classic issue of "Dr. Cyclops" which from what I have heard, was already faded from it's original issue.

Sorry Chip, I got off topic.

I have noted that logo's can be from very different stock and just tacked on. On the AGFA print of "Hoppity Goes to Town" all the color is perfect on the print, EXCEPT for that very first title card, "Hoppity", which is on obvious Eastman stock, spliced onto a technicolor print of "Mr. Bug Goes to Town", (original title of Hoppity). Of course, when it was originally tacked on, know one knew the better.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 22, 2009, 11:01 PM:

Osi, the Mrs Brocolli's case is special case.

And I didn't say that all super 8mm films are like that.

There some companies produced a superior quality, hence the price. But most of 8mm films came from their heyday were digest (or three parters) for the sake of most people's budget which were not how the films supposed to be shown.

Likewise today, we can buy a DVD from budget price into special deluxe version for a same title.

I just received a DVD "The Last Day" a 1987 movie. Everything is OK only the sound is MONO!!. How can you have a mono sound in this today's technology? I checked IMDB and found that the movie was released in Stereo sound.

The only answer is "company's policy".

You can have the stereo sound DVD for the same title...but different price!.

You pay more, you get more.

regards,

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