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Posted by Carolann Whittle (Member # 1448) on January 30, 2009, 09:23 AM:

Hello everyone. Thanks for accepting me.
I came across your forum when I was looking for help [Smile]

In 1977 we bought a Kodak Ektachrome Cine camera but at the time
could not afford the projector and only now some 30 years+ later
we are needing to watch those cine films we have collected and had developed! Now it seems you cannot buy the Kodak Ektasound for love nor money.
Now, in my stupidity I went on Ebay and purchsed a Eumig P8 Novo which arrived with a load of films..one being Keystone Capers lol [Frown]

and when we tried to run our films they would not work Its in great working condition but no use. ugh. Then I went on Freecycle.org and asked if anybody had a projector and one chap gave me one which is a ‘Prinz Magnon 800ZR’ but it needes a bulb which as far as I can see costs about £17 which I just dont want to pay that much to watch these films just the once before I send them off to be put on DVD. Thats expensive too. I have been quoted £140 for about 30 films. [Eek!]

So any ideas? Should I just put the two projectors back on Ebay or dump em? [Embarrassed]

Your expert opinion will be greatly appreciated.

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on January 30, 2009, 10:11 AM:

Carolann,
Don't do anything rash yet. Do you have an Instruction manual for the Magnon? If so, post a reply with the lamp details; there are many sources of lamps and prices vary widely. Someone will point you in the right direction for the best price. (EDIT If it's the one I think it is I may have a used one in my spares box).
It may be possible to fit an alternative, if only at lower brightness, so that you can at least see the films. Also, which part of "England,UK"; there may be a member close by who can offer practical help?

Martin

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 30, 2009, 10:42 AM:

Carolann,
If you took the films in 1977 on an Ektasound camera, then the films are super 8 sound, which requires a super 8 sound projector. The Eumig P8 is a standard 8 mm silent projector and will only run the old type regular 8mm film, not super 8mm- totally different film size.
If I were you I would try and get hold of a good Eumig 800 series super 8 sound projector. There are usually quite a few of them on ebay, they are very solid little projectors and the 12 volt 100 watt halogen lamps are readily available. It will of course also play super 8 silent film.
If your films are just super 8 silent, I would recommend the Bolex 18-5 super 8 projector.

Posted by Carolann Whittle (Member # 1448) on January 30, 2009, 01:24 PM:

Thanks Martin the bulb I require is a :-
A1/17 50 watt 8 v P30s / CXR/CXL Projector Lamp
Will the Magnon play me Super 8 films do you think?
I am in Bury, Lancashire. [Smile]

home of the black pudding!!lol

Paul, thankyou, However I really do not want to buy another projector if I can help it. We just wanted to watch and date each film so we can number them in order for conversion to DVD.
Do people still buy the old Eumig projectors Paul? Is it worth putting back on Ebay? There are quite a few films with it.

Thanks very much for the quick feedback. Its much appreciated!
[Wink]

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on January 30, 2009, 01:47 PM:

Carolann,
Yes your Magnon should run Super 8 films. You didn't say if you had instructions; if you have they should confirm it.
Send your address to me by email (use the email icon on the top of the post) and I'll send you a used lamp...no charge, hope it survives the post! Should give you a chance to see and date your films.

Martin

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 30, 2009, 01:56 PM:

Carolan,
The 8v 50 watt CXR/CXL bulbs you specified are still available. If you can't find them in the UK, you can get them from TOP BULBS here in the USA.

http://www.topbulb.com/find/Product_Description.asp?intProductID=43457

There are two versions of that lamp, one looks like 'Robby the Robot' with a strange shaped silver outer bulb, the other type is more conventional with a suspended internal elliptical reflector. Both will work fine and they have about the same brightness.
Remember to keep those films in a safe cool, dry, place after you have converted them to DVD. DONT THROW THEM AWAY!. The films are going to last much much longer than the DVD. (remember, one scratch on a DVD can make it unplayable)
The Eumig P8 is a very desirable little projector, and is very well known for its rugged precision design and excellent performance. I would think it would readily sell on ebay.

Posted by Carolann Whittle (Member # 1448) on January 30, 2009, 02:09 PM:

You guys are the best you really are!!

Email on its way Martin. Thankyou so very much. Very very kind of you.Yes I do have the full instructions.But its all gobbldygook to me [Confused]

I will keep my films. Alocal company are converting them and wont keep them overnight even as they consider them precious which they are to us. We will be having a few DVD copies done and hopefully upload it to the PC too.
Thankyou

Posted by Hugh McCullough (Member # 696) on January 30, 2009, 05:12 PM:

Carolann.
The bulb that you require can be purchased from this web site:-
www.vintagecameras.co.uk/ltd/a117.htm
The cost is £19.99p

I suggest that you do a Google search for an A1/17 lamp. You might find a cheaper supplier.

Hugh.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on January 31, 2009, 04:32 AM:

If your Magnon is the same as that owned by my father 30 years ago then it is a dual gauge machine and therefore probably set up for standard 8mm rather than Super 8. The gate needs to be flicked into the Super 8 position and the top and bottom sprockets taken out and turned around. Then, hey presto, your films will run!

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on January 31, 2009, 06:59 AM:

The bad news is that this particulr Magnon is "Standard 8" only. I saw one listed on Warton Parfitt's site and Carolann scanned me the User Leaflet, which confirmed it.

Martin

Posted by Carolann Whittle (Member # 1448) on January 31, 2009, 07:59 AM:

Thankyou everyone for all the great input and thanks to Martin for his time and help. [Smile]

Posted by Mark Howard (Member # 870) on January 31, 2009, 12:48 PM:

Hi Carolann,

I've a spare editor/viewer that you can have for free if it helps any. I'm only in Radcliffe so it'll be easy getting it to you. Drop me a line at northernmisfits (at) btinternet dot com and I'll get it over to you.

Mark

Posted by Carolann Whittle (Member # 1448) on February 01, 2009, 05:45 AM:

I have mailed you Mark. No idea what it is your are talking about but I am sure you will explain. Many thanks.
Regards
Carolann...a totally blond brunette!!hahaha [Big Grin]

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on February 01, 2009, 10:23 AM:

Carolann

I would advise against running your precious film through anything other than a projector that is "known" to you or through the editor. Film can get scratched easily if the projector is worn or dirty.

The editor is usually a small machine with simple mechanics that reduces the risk of damage. It will have a small screen lit by a bulb and you will be able to identify the film clips easily.

Good luck

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