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Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 13, 2010, 03:56 PM:

Reel finally arrived, along with a digitalized copy, and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ijetKzqRvY

Ignore the first six seconds, that's just the other reel I digitalized and I missed the cut with a few seconds when editing it for upload.

Uploaded just now, so the HD version isn't working yet, but should be soon.

I have noted how the light conditions were as annotations in the video, so don't forget to enable them [Smile]

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 13, 2010, 05:20 PM:

I should begin to use my 8mm camera again [Roll Eyes]

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Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 13, 2010, 05:33 PM:

Hehe, you should, Gian! [Wink]

I got four new cartridges from Dwaynes, planning on shooting two of them in May (Norwegian national day).

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 13, 2010, 05:40 PM:

Share with us [Wink]

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 13, 2010, 05:47 PM:

I will [Wink]

Posted by Antonis Galanakis (Member # 1455) on February 14, 2010, 12:04 PM:

Christian
well done! I am happy for you and your short film. I love the part that you filming the cartoon projection. It was great.

Keep on filming
Antonis

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 14, 2010, 04:41 PM:

Thanks for the comments, both of you [Smile]

Shooting with Super 8 was really fun, today I screened the reels at my grandmothers for mothers day for a bunch of my relatives, and they really enjoyed it! [Smile]

Hopefully I'll get to shoot some more this spring, in particular on our national day (May 17th), and I'll upload that aswell.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 16, 2010, 09:25 AM:

Christian,

Finally....

My comments are:

1. As we have discussed earlier, you need a movie light for indoor shooting. As your result shows that nothing much can be done if relied only on domestic light (too dark).

2. My result for indoor shooting without a movie light gave a good result because the church hall was equipped with very high wattage lamps (should be measured in Kelvin though, but I don't have a gear for that)

3. Your outdoor shooting looks pretty dark, while I can see the sun is there. You should open the iris much wider.

4. As I already mentioned in the other thread, E64T is best used with a filter 85B during the winter season. You will get color corrected rather than the bluish tint you have now. I bought it from Ebay for only $2 (Hoya).

5. I guessed whatever people say about the current E64T, it must be lesser quality than the previous K40 or E160 in 1990s. Your first 6 seconds must be from old batch, right. You can see the sensitivity of that print compared with today's E64T. I don't know why, noting that K40 is only ASA 40 vs E64T which is ASA 64. Probably old lab/chemical was also better than now.

Good luck with your other 4 shootings. Share with us.

cheers

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 16, 2010, 10:27 AM:

Hi, Winbert, and thanks for your comments! I have some answers myself [Razz]

1. Yes, I need a movie light, but I can't afford one right now [Razz]

The film is however not as dark as it looks. When projected with the Elmo, you can see things quite clearly, even in the dark parts. Just a poor digitalization job.

3. OK, thanks for the advice. I filmed this with the exposure set to "Auto". But as mentioned, it looks quite different when projected for real.

4. Yes, I'm aware of this, but I'm not too bothered by the tint, as it's alot less noticeable on the actual reel. With my current economic situation I'm not gonna prioritize on getting another filter anyway [Smile]

5. Yes, the first 6 seconds is from an old K40 reel that I forgot to cut away before uploading. Those seconds were however filmed with a movie light and a really expensive Canon camera, and so the quality is alot better [Smile]

Posted by David Erskine (Member # 1244) on February 16, 2010, 11:42 AM:

If you want a movie light, I've got one on eBay (UK) starting at £7.99!!!!! Item No: 300396053243 ('cos I don't know how to put links in).
I said "A Kaiser product (no 'Fawlty Towers' jokes!) fitted with barndoors and has a handle with standard screwhole for stand mounting. I used this a few times when filming relatives wedding, etc. It was working fine when I plugged in and switched on yesterday. My starting bid is low but realistic. (You know, I've always been worried that if I started at 99p I might find I'd end at that!)"
Someone sent a question:- " Hi there, Sounds a silly question, but what kind/colour range of light is this please? Is it Metal Halide, Mercury Vapour, etc...and any rating info on the box."
I answered "I got it from WideScreen Centre - for film type filming! - and it says on the box that it is:- 1000 watts, extremely low noise blower cooling, special diffuser glass for extra soft lighting, 4 large barn doors for directional lighting, tiltable handle with 1/4" mounting thread, camera bracket and halogen lamp of 3400K."
It's got about a day and a couple of hours to go - if you are interested. Might be useful? You have my email addy, Christian.
Cheers, David E

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 16, 2010, 01:58 PM:

Christian,

for no. 4
When you spend $60 for another 4 carts now plus the next process cost will be around $40 (+ shipping), and you are not going to spend $2 for a 85B, it is strange for me [Wink]

for no. 5

Your camera is already classy enough for the time it was released. The upper level series of Canon is 814 XL (and the top range one is 1014 XL which has the same feautre but different lens).

So knowing you now have a good camera, by comparing your old clips vs your today's clip, to me it is about the different quality of today's stock and lab process.

Sadly to say that we will never get back the used-to-be Kodak Super 8mm film quality. [Mad]

cheers,

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 17, 2010, 03:29 PM:

Thanks for the offer, David, but I'm low on cash at the moment, and the shipping cost give me the chills! Plus, I'd have to pay customs because of the silly regulations we have here in New-Borkistan.

Winbert, I'll consider getting a 85B, but it won't be now, because I'll be shooting almost exclusively outdoors in sunlight for the time being [Smile]

Posted by David Erskine (Member # 1244) on February 17, 2010, 07:32 PM:

No problem - I seem to have sold it twice to the same chap. Oooops!
David E

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 17, 2010, 09:04 PM:

quote:
I'd have to pay customs because of the silly regulations we have here in New-Borkistan.

As far as I am concerned, Dwayne always put $1 for the item's value on the custom declaration. So how could you be taxed for this amount? And if the $1 was taxed, how much did you pay ?

cheers,

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on February 18, 2010, 10:34 AM:

He wrote the value as "Ø" (which means zero I think), which prompted customs to open the package and check.

Then I was promptly charged $40 in customs.

Posted by Jon Anders Klausen (Member # 818) on February 18, 2010, 11:01 AM:

Thanks Christian!

Winbert: is the 85b filter available for Nizo 481? Where can I get one? (any links?)

Got my camera in the mail today [Smile]

Posted by Jeroen van Ooijen (Member # 1104) on February 18, 2010, 11:37 AM:

Good job!i like it [Big Grin]

and i think i will use my camera also!
Next winter with snow! [Big Grin]

Posted by Christopher Allison (Member # 1867) on February 18, 2010, 11:51 AM:

Nice!!! makes me want to buy a camera and start shooting.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 18, 2010, 01:16 PM:

Christian, it is so bad t get taxed that much [Mad]

You should submit claim for refund by proofing that the cart was originaly from Norway (perhaps your proof of purchase?) or it has been taxed before if you imported from somewhere.

Jon, filter 85B is plenty available in the Ebay. here is the example:

85B filter at Ebay

the price starts from $1.99 to max 59.99 (the most expendive filter, Tiffen).

I chose the cheapest one and it works well.

Since it is very light item (less than 100 grams , I guess), shipping will not bother you.

You don't need to worry with your camera brand, just choose the right ring size to your camera. It has a universal ring.

cheers,

Posted by Jon Anders Klausen (Member # 818) on February 18, 2010, 02:09 PM:

Thanks Winbert, will get one of those

Posted by Knut Nordahl (Member # 518) on February 19, 2010, 06:42 AM:

quote:
He wrote the value as "Ø" (which means zero I think), which prompted customs to open the package and check.

Then I was promptly charged $40 in customs.

Christian, were you charged 40USD in customs for returning processed film? If you were, thats wrong and you should take action to get your money back.

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on March 16, 2010, 01:33 PM:

Allright, so I finally set up the projector again and filmed the home video manually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWP7aY9qrOo

As you can see, the colours are quite different than in the digitalized version.

Just uploaded this, so might be a few hours before the HD version is available.

Posted by Jon Anders Klausen (Member # 818) on March 20, 2010, 07:11 AM:

Have you tried to colorcorrect the digitalized file? It´s amazin what a little correction can do

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