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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 02, 2011, 02:16 AM:

I've been using my Eumig 824 to project quite a few Std 8 films recently and it has reminded me that it's very 'fussy' about splices, as any splice that isn't quite perfect causes it to lose the loop. This also tends to happen if a film (e.g.) has a little warping due to heat damage. I used to have other Eumigs in the 800 series, but I can't recall if they were the same. I wondered if other members here find the same thing or is it just my projector? As far as I can tell, the gate and claw seem fine, but I wondered if maybe the claw needs to protude a bit further into the sprockets and is therefore prone to not engaging with them?

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on February 02, 2011, 02:52 AM:

Hello Adrian. Had a number of the delightful Eumig 824D machines in my time and was in fact using one for a show last night. I have had one or two that were a bit fussy on cement or wrap round CIR splices over the years but on the whole a great little machine. Just check the claw to make sure it is entering the film sprocket hole correctly as it’s easy to catch it when switching gates around bending it. All my own Standard 8 and Super 8 splices are Wurker type and go through nearly without trace so might be worth trying to track one of these down also. Hope this little bit of info helps.

Locally we could start an 824D club as quite a few around here still use the machines. One lady film maker of some notoriety has several and in her younger days (and mine) I can remember going to her public presentations amazed she always had a couple of spares by her projector stand in case of a breakdown. Professional or what!

As Eumig owners we are part of the Sound Generation! [Big Grin]

[ February 02, 2011, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: Lee Mannering ]

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 02, 2011, 07:30 AM:

Hi Lee,
Thanks for your reply. I certainly share your enthusiasm for the 824 overall as I think it beats all the slightly earlier Eumigs that I've owned, certanly in terms of sound quality, and of course the lens is brighter than in most earlier ones. Nice also to be able to switch off a projector! I just wish the focussing was a bit smoother.

I only have a Super 8 Wurker, but my Std 8 spolices are now done with Ferrania that's pretty good and although they 'wrap round' on the side opposite the sprockets. I have tried checking the claw and it's definitely passing through the sprockets, but it's difficult to say if it's going as far through as it should. I wondered if you (or any other members) know if it's possible to adjust it in a way that will make it protude bit more, or can this only be done by bending the structure that it's mounted on?

Posted by Jim Schrader (Member # 9) on February 02, 2011, 10:18 AM:

while i do not have this particular unit i have found that if you come across a bad splice simply take that splice and set in your splicer if the sprockets line up perfectly with the sprocket tabs and the film is not raised where they meet then the film is usually fine if you did not make these splices you may want to check them out individually I have run across a few that were not straight and had to redo them.

Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on February 02, 2011, 02:29 PM:

Hi Adrian
Its quite possible that more claw penetration into the film sprockets will improve the performance of the projector.

To do this, don't bent anything.
Just loosen the 2 tiny grub screws in the centre hub of the shutter & slide the whole shutter forward a tiny bit. The more penetration, the more stable it will be. Then rotate the shuttershaft to observe the claw retraction. Make sure it retracts enough to completely clear the film when the frame is advanced. When its OK, retighten grub screws & then test with old film. It should no longer loose the top loop so easily.
See how you go & let us all know if that works Ok.
dogtor frankarnstein [Wink]

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 05, 2011, 11:27 AM:

Frank - many thanks for the tips on adjusting the claw position. This appears to have worked out well and the 824 now seems to be tolerating anything other than a seriously bad splice. If anyone else tries this adjustment, I must emphasise that the amount of movement needed as VERY slight - you probably need to push the shutter mechanism about half a mm at the most.

Initially, I had trouble getting it right because even when the film I used for test purposes was fine going forward, the loop was quickly lost when I put it in reverse, so I presumed the claw was not withrawing enough but for some reason only caught the film in reverse. It was only after making numerous failed adjustments that I discovered that this was a freak problem that applied to the particular film I was using, and every other film also ran fine in reverse!

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