8mm Forum: Why didnt they bring back super 8 sound film stock?

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Posted by Nathan DeHahn (Member # 2192) on April 13, 2011, 06:56 AM:

It has been since 1997, is there any reason why it was discountinued?? I believe they should bring the sound film stocks back but in different way.

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on April 13, 2011, 09:18 AM:

This firm is experimenting with new Sound stock and has already produced sample Single 8 cartridges that produce a high quality result.
They stripe existing new silent stock and load into used Cartidges for exposure. They will also process the stock (their main business is a processing lab) and reload the cartridges for re-sale.Super 8 cartridges present a problem, that of rapid loading in the dark. Single 8 is relatively easy.
This is still an experimental exercise. If it proves reasonably worthwile, the stock will be offered to Spanish user first until the viability of a wider market can be established.
THE FILM IS NOT YET COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE.... don't try to buy it (but you could express your interest).

http://www.reveladoreversible.webs.com/

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on April 13, 2011, 02:43 PM:

Martin, i have heard that rumors (of sound films being produced in Spain). But I wonder where they can get the shell for cartridge, as it will be extremely expensive making only few cartridges.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on April 14, 2011, 02:20 AM:

Plus the use of the Kodak patent and I don't expect that is going to be cheap.

Was it 60% of all sound stock produced by Kokak that went in the skip because the stripe was not up to standard? So it's an expensive business and doomed to failure even if it is taken on by a one-man band.

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on April 14, 2011, 03:45 AM:

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any reason why it was discountinued

Kodak's and Fuji's "official reasons" were changed environmental laws that would have forced Kodak and Fuji to search for another "glue" for the stripe.
However this is most likely nonsense as both companies are still producing pre-striped films (for APS).

The main reason was most likely that the majority of Super8/Single8-users were using silent cameras and/or recording their sound with a separate recorder (tape, DAT, miniDisc, ...). (At that time the majority of Super8/Single8-users already have been professionals using the format for its unique look in music-videos or advertisings.) So the demand was most likely simply too low to continue pre-striping.

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But I wonder where they can get the shell for cartridge

They don't as they're simply recycling older sound-carts.

quote:
Plus the use of the Kodak patent

According to some rumours that patent is outdated and hence obsolete.

Jörg

Posted by Nathan DeHahn (Member # 2192) on April 15, 2011, 08:53 PM:

I am not sure whats the subitute for the sticky solution that was used to put mag. track and film together before processing.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 16, 2011, 04:27 PM:

"However this is most likely nonsense as both companies are still producing pre-striped films (for APS)."

Joerg - sorry but I can't work out what APS is?

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on April 18, 2011, 02:41 AM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Photo_System

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on April 18, 2011, 11:57 AM:

I got it Joerg, but what is the connection betwen APS (still photo) with sound stripped film (Movie)?

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on April 19, 2011, 04:14 AM:

APS is pre-striped film. Super8/Single8-Soundfilm is pre-striped film, too. It shouldn't matter whether the stripe is used to store data (date/time/exposure/...) or sound. So both Kodak and Fuji do have a combination of glue'n'stripe that survives the lab and that is not banned by environmental laws (s. my first reply on this topic). And even though APS is PEN-based and C-41 in most cases, I doubt that this combination of glue'n'stripe wouldn't work for Super8/Single8-films as well.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on April 19, 2011, 02:52 PM:

Hi Joerg, thanks for further explanation.

From the sample of APS negative film I took from Wikipedia:

Where is pre-stripped that you meant?

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on April 20, 2011, 02:46 AM:

Hi,

please read the wikipedia-article! Quote: "The film surface has a transparent magnetic coating..."
There are several pics that show the location of the magnetic stripes on APS, e.g.: http://www.digitalbooks.de/nikon/systemcd/pic/n1296.gif (or use Google's image-search)

Jörg

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 20, 2011, 07:10 PM:

Fascinating! I love the idea of a magnetic track being transparent, particularly if that had been the case on the occasional film where small blobs have been left on the picture area!

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