8mm Forum: The most beautiful news in a long time for my fellow celluloid-o-philes :)!!!

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Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on November 30, 2014, 07:01 AM:

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 30, 2014, 08:47 AM:

I've seen this!

From what I've heard the initial run sold out too.

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Their idea for bringing a loop of film out of the cartridge and exposing it over an in-camera pressure plate is very clever.

They have made a leap of faith that camera film will continue to be available, but then again the existence of a new camera can't hurt where that is concerned.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on November 30, 2014, 08:49 AM:

Isn't it digital inside or am I mixing it up with another device?

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on November 30, 2014, 09:08 AM:

Hang as much technology on it as you like, but for its enormous price it's STILL a Super 8 camera and will not produce any better pictures than (perhaps not even as good as) lots of existing Super 8 cameras out there.
But wait, it records sound on an SD card.... WOW!!! That's no better than recording on an external digital recorder because to show the film with sound it still has to be synced.And if you transfer the film to video and combine the sound there the picture resolution will be no better than the video.... so you might just as well have captured sound and video together on a good (and very much cheaper) Digital Video camera.
Devoted as I am to all things Cinematic.... just don't see the point!!!
But there are the "must haves" out there.

P.S. Vidar, you are confusing it with the "Digital Super 8 Cartridge.... which was a very successful April Fool joke a couple of years ago.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on November 30, 2014, 11:42 AM:

Theoretically the picture should be better because you are not using the cartridge pressure plate so it's more like standard 8. It's a nice idea to release a new camera but ultimately it will lose money. And as Martin has said "whats the point". There isnt the filmstock available to make it a worthwhile purchase for anyone.

Graham S

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 30, 2014, 02:00 PM:

This is not really oriented towards us. For example it sounds like it's formatted for the modified 16:9 frame and if you go to run that through a projector all you'll see is the usual 4:3.

This will go to professionals shooting negative stocks for transfer.

More power to them!

I have some nice second hand cameras that will do me just fine as long as I can get reversal stocks.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on November 30, 2014, 02:30 PM:

Excuse me for asking but what professionals are using Super 8?

I would guess most pros today use high-end digital HD cameras.

And those few pros who prefer celluloid would use 35mm or 16mm and not super 8.

Graham S

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 30, 2014, 02:39 PM:

There must be somebody: Pro-8mm has been servicing this market segment for years, and the newer super-8 stocks are mostly negative stocks not oriented towards projection.

If I remember correctly they had a pilot run of this camera and it sold out handily.

If there is enough of a market to sustain it in production, we shall see...

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on November 30, 2014, 02:50 PM:

"Negative stock for transfer" Film on Super 8 for Resolution... then scan it to reduce it to Video resolution?
As I said... What's the point? Use a "Video" camera to start with, and if you want to be "arty-farty".. do it in post.
But it is "one up-man ship" to have one of these pointless cameras, I suppose.... as there are so few in existence.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 30, 2014, 03:10 PM:

Even if it's not something you or I would do, is it so terrible to wish them success at it?

What's it costing us?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 30, 2014, 03:23 PM:

I second Steve. Any new film related on the market can only be a good new and we should support it. By the way, despite what was written above, there is still reversal Super 8 filmstock and we are expecting the new Ferrania film next year.

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 30, 2014, 06:03 PM:

I, for one, would love to see how this new camera performs, given the pin registration and stated quality of build. With one of the new Kodak Vision negative stocks in it, I can only imagine how the image would look.

Also, I am rather proud that it is a pair of fellow Danes who have pulled off this inconceivable idea in the 'video age.' [Big Grin]

It may never sell a lot, but it is a testament to perseverance.

Claus.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 30, 2014, 06:30 PM:

That any of us are still doing any of this is absolutely inconceivable to a great many people.

Captain Kirk said it best: (Even if Shakespeare said it first!)

"May fortune favor the foolish!"

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on November 30, 2014, 09:05 PM:

There was a program on PBS radio yesterday that had a lengthy discussion on vinyl LP records. Apparently there is a resurgance in the demand for vinly records and in fact it is the only growth segment of the recorded music market. There is not enough record pressing equipment in the USA to keep up with the demand, so many LP purchases are special orders with several weeks delivery time. CD sales are down every year and vinyl sales go up 8% every year. Best Buy and Barnes & Noble have taken note and now stock some vinly records in their sales areas. The reason for the re-discovery of vinyl, as expresed by one purchaser, is the 'joy of handling the records, the graphic artwork and information on the sleeve, and playing it on a device that replicates the performance better than a digital recording. Sound familiar? All the reasons that people like us still love film and film projectors.
Maybe the same re-surgance will happen to film down the road.

Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on December 02, 2014, 01:57 PM:

Martin Jones: The digital Super 8 cartridge was no joke! [Smile]

http://hayesurban.com/current-projects/2012/3/14/digital-super-8.html

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on December 02, 2014, 06:00 PM:

While I don't shoot with Super 8 as I've never been satisfied with the results, I don't understand the vitriol directed at this camera. Isn't it a good thing that a camera is being produced that attempts to incorporate technology advances rather than "things as they were" 40-, 50-plus years ago?

Thank goodness time (and technology) marches on!

Posted by Thomas Dafnides (Member # 1851) on December 02, 2014, 06:43 PM:

I think the re-emergence of film will be keyed to a new manufacturing technology akin to 3-D printing. Existing film manufacturing methods are grossly, inefficient and contribute to the high cost .......about 70% of created film is disposed of because of irregularities in the emulsion. In combination with a substitute for silver or a synthetic silver , we will one day have comparatively, low cost film. I think it will come as a by product of some other new technology.
For instance , in the lab, solar technology is evolving with "emulsions" to coat glass windows in homes to generate electricity. One of these new systems may be adaptable to a more efficient method of film manufacturing. Remember, glass plates were the base for photographic emulsions before film.
It is only because of new technology that a couple of Danes could manufacture a new Super 8 camera...virtually, impossible in 70's.
The same thing will eventually happen with film, itself.

[ December 03, 2014, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Thomas Dafnides ]

Posted by Den Brown (Member # 819) on December 06, 2014, 02:44 PM:

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I think Ben Affleck shot some of Argo on super 8.

Vinyl sales are through the roof but a large chunk of those sold never get played. It's the artwork that's coveted, not a seemingly anachronistic audio medium. Most come with an MP3 download code (or Flac if you're lucky) which is what the younger buyers listen to. I know someone who runs a label that refuses to issue download coupons with their vinyl as they believe it should stand alone as a format.

I was chatting with a record collector recently and she asked 'What's that?' pointing at a 7 inch disc. She'd never seen a single before.

A couple of years ago a friend's children asked me to 'Do that again! It was crazy.' I'd no idea what they were talking about, then they explained - I'd amazed them simply by turning a record over and playing the other side.

Cassette sales are also booming as they are so cheap for small bands to create, duplicate and distribute (cheap post). I've bought cassettes from as far afield as Utah.

All of these formats are widely available and there's increasing, widespread demand for them. Unlike this camera and stock. Good luck to them, though. The Logmar is a professional tool aimed at a professional market.

It does sound as if they are trying to take the evocative super 8 aesthetic out of super 8 which seems a bit odd but would probably be the quality a studio would demand.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on December 06, 2014, 03:26 PM:

Den, there has been a subject on the news from a French national tv channel. They said that vinyls are the only records that have growing sales (cds are dropping). Vinyls (and players) made a surprising come back in the shops. It is the same here in Belgium and I was surprised to see recently a walkman (for tapes) in a shop !

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on December 06, 2014, 10:35 PM:

As others have said, I find the negativity towards the camera here bewildering. Thank goodness the makers were aware of the professional market and didn't come here to research the level of demand! As for why there's a professional market that prefers to use Super 8 rather than attempt to electronically simulate it, we really need the input of professionals themselves to answer this, but we know that (e.g.) it's a common visual device in TV documentaries to include inserts that try to look like home movie footage, to attempt to create a sense of flashbacks from the time that the subject refers to. We also know that there are companies that shoot weddings on Super 8.

I'm sure that some of us who still shoot on Super 8 would love to have an easy, built-in way to record live sound in sync. Maybe that's something an enterprising person could look at as an add-on for some existing cameras?

Surely this is one place where anything that encourages and supports the use of film should be applauded. If we take the view that it's easier and cheaper to use digital, we may as well apply that to film collecting too!

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on December 06, 2014, 11:33 PM:

Well said, Adrian!

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