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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 01:49 PM:
My new toy arrived today, yippie, now all i have to do is learn how to use it. The instructions are all in German ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
But it looks Great ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
All i need is a connecting lead to plug it into my pioneer amp and i shall be well away.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 05, 2015, 02:07 PM:
Congratulations ! It seems to be in good condition. Enjoy.
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on August 05, 2015, 02:13 PM:
Fantastic!!
Looks brand new?
Was it expensive?
Posted by Paul Suchy (Member # 80) on August 05, 2015, 02:39 PM:
Beautiful machine; can't wait to hear about your experience. Instructions? A pro like you? You don't need no stinking instructions!
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 02:43 PM:
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True, but one thing i need to ask is simply this, should i set the voltage to 220v or the 250(with a small 8 under it)?
I dont want to blow it up before i use it. We normally use 240
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 05, 2015, 02:48 PM:
I would definitly go for 250 v. I don't think the bulb would blow up if the projector is set at 220 v but it would definitly last less longer than normal. Most of the projector are set on a higher voltage than the one used in the area they're sold (240 v instead of 220 for example) in order to protect the bulb so I guess there must be a good reason for that.
Posted by Lee Panton (Member # 4443) on August 05, 2015, 02:49 PM:
240v Tom
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 02:50 PM:
Thank you Dominique.
Mark, it was a little more than i wanted to pay but it came from Van Eck services so i know it had been through test and checks and comes with a few months warranty.(a tad over 400)
Lee, i was looking for this but it only seems to have either 220 or 250
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 02:56 PM:
Congratulations Tom! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Set it to 240v to start with, measure the voltage at the lamp terminals, if 15v or slightly higher say 15.3v then leave it at that, but if not, adjust down to no lower than 220v until you obtain 15v at the lamp terminals.
I've had a couple of these now and the transformer tappings do vary somewhat to obtain the correct voltage at the lamp.
Don't worry so long as you do not exceed 15.5v at the lamp, you will do no harm to the lamp or the rest of the machines internals.
As Dominique says if you under excite the lamp then it will last a whole lot longer but at the expense of losing a whole lot of brightness in some cases.
At 15.3v I have been getting at least 50hours from mine which is all they're rated for.
Don't exceed 15.5v, the lamp won't last five minutes and you may then be at the point of overstressing the rest of the electronics.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on August 05, 2015, 02:56 PM:
Thats unusual, they usually have 240 and others on as well.
But 250 will fit the bill nicely. Definately the better of the 2.
Uk Voltage still tends to vary between about 230 and 240.
Best Mark.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 02:58 PM:
Thank you, i will now run downstairs and try a quick cartoon or ad reel. Will be back soon
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on August 05, 2015, 03:01 PM:
Very nice machine Tom.
I like all those buttons! Looks like it will be alot of fun!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 03:04 PM:
Mine both have 240, 220 & 200 volt tappings then a bunch of Euro tappings around 120.
Ones set to 240v and the other is set to 220v. Both give 15v to the lamp at these settings.
There is no English instructions available for these just German and French. Make friends with a German, that's my advice Tom!
Most things I've either worked out myself or translated from the manual or in some instances had assistance on here from the good guys like Doug etc.
Either way, we'll work it for you Tom, no drama.
The lead you require is a 5pin din to two phono connectors red and white coloured. This is all you actually need for either slaving out or on another instance feeding in from say a mixer and a laptop for recording purposes.
You can get a 4 phono plug version but on the Bauers two phono is really all you need.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 03:20 PM:
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oh-oh, Scilly me, i was so excited i didn't open my eyes properly, it does have 240. Sorry all.
I have wapped a 200 footer through and the first thing you have to notice,(as many people have said), is how unbelievably quite this machine runs. Fantastic, very very pleased. A lot of the buttons will be wasted on me as i dont get involved in recording but then its good to look at .
Also will add that i will never give up on my Elmo's, they have served me for over 30 years. The sound is certainly a winner on the Elmo but as i put my films through an external amp this is not a big deal.
Elmo advantage/ Very easy to get to everything for servicing and repairs, very study metal construction, easy to get film out at any time during a show, simple lens swing to clean the gate. Instruction in English and i have an Elmo workshop repair manual.
Bauer/ Great lens with excellent light output and very sharp image. Very quite running, full stereo rather that just twin track playback, many extra gadgets for those who record, much more modern design. We will keep both the Elmo's to call on for our 1200 foot features and mini features as well as any shows we do outside of our home. After 30 years they deserve a rest, i use a projector for at least 2-4 hours a week, often more.
All in all, i am very pleased with my purchase and will probably be calling on many of you chaps for your expert advise as being Elmo orientated i know very little about this machine at this stage.
I will also publicly thank Mr Woodcock for the very informative video on a stick which shows me the basic "how to" for the maintenance. Brilliant, got any more?
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 03:25 PM:
Just ask whatever whenever Tom, always happy to help one of our true ambassadors of the gauge!
I know you have no desire at this stage to record Tom and that is fair enough, but if you heard the results from doing so, you would be amazed! The results are often stunning on a decent stripe.
Maybe food for thought for the future perhaps.
The more you use these machines,the more you grow to simply adore them! They are just Sooo gentle on film.
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on August 05, 2015, 03:38 PM:
Well done Tom, they are nice machines and knew you'd be impressed, I too like the Elmo's but using a Bauer puts them to shame noise wise, enjoy it, Mark
Posted by Tassos Laudas (Member # 588) on August 05, 2015, 03:42 PM:
Hi Tom,
i do live in Germany and i own only bauer projectors. I have had the Elmos but for some reason i could do without them and finally sold them. The Bauers (T50, T60, T510) give me exactly what i need.
And they make those who arent so familiar with our hobby be interested!
Congratulations for your new purchase, in case you need any help concerning translation don't hesitate to ask.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 03:47 PM:
A very wise and kind man indeed is Tassos!
Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on August 05, 2015, 04:01 PM:
Awesome looking projector Tom! I've never had a Bauer, but from what I read on this forum...they are wonderful Enjoy!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 04:14 PM:
The T610 is the dogs dodah's Janice. If I could get a two /three bladed adjustable shutter sent to me, I may...just may, prefer it to the Beaulieu Stereo for its quietness and film handling exceptional qualities. It really is that good!
It really is the very best projector when used in the home environment with a long play unit.
I cannot wait until LED technology evolves sufficiently to gain the brightness I get from the Beaulieu on one of these, even with it's 3 blade shutter.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 04:21 PM:
Thank you to all, and i may just use that translation invitation,
Janice, i have not forgotten you, i will as promised get you that booklet.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 04:34 PM:
Just sent you a PM Tom
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 05, 2015, 04:39 PM:
haha, thanks Mr, i thought that was the one.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 05, 2015, 06:23 PM:
The Goko RM8008 Stereo, Guaranteed as being the only machine quieter or as good with the handling of film as The Bauer T610!
A Big public Thank You to Kevin Clark for supplying me with my missing knob on this machine!
This forum has been truly superb to me for connecting all of our distant collectors together and I cannot thank Doug and Brad enough for this facility!
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on August 08, 2015, 08:39 AM:
I bought a used Bauer T610 over 5 years ago, and its the best projector I've ever used. Enjoy Tom!
James.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 08, 2015, 09:54 AM:
Congratulations, Tom! Except for not being able to remove the film midway, it is a perfectly designed projector.
Doug
Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on August 08, 2015, 12:21 PM:
Hi Tom, I also have a T610, purchased some years ago. It is certainly one of the quietest machines I have ever used. I have the manual in English. If you need a copy, send me a PM. and I will photocopy it for you. No projector is perfect and one little eccentricity I found with mine is that when you put it in threading mode the top guide is a little sluggish in positioning and it is necessary to wait a few seconds before pushing the leader into the top sprocket aperture. Otherwise the top loop does not form and the film shoots into the mechanism!! I do not know if any others have this little problem. Incidentally, the Agfa LS is also a very quiet runner and has a very similar mechanism. Ken Finch.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 08, 2015, 04:03 PM:
With the correct film cutter that was originally provided with these, threading should be an absolute breeze Ken.
If the top threading assist looper or guide as you are calling it, is sluggish, it can only be due to some delayed movement in the linkages somewhere. Maybe it is binding a little perhaps and may need some greasing around the linkages?
On the two I have, this top looper that lowers while entering the input guide in thread mode, reacts instantly in tandem with the switch position it is turned to, both dowards in thread and then open again instantly when lamp one or two projection modes are selected.
Back to the trimmer,if the film is cut using one of these cutters,it should have chamfered 45 degree corners on the leading edge of the film and the straight cut should be half a pitch away from the sprocket hole on the frame line. In this instance, the film is taken immediately when offered to the top input guide and sprocket.
The drive mechanism and many other aspects of this projector are far more sophisticated than the Bauer designed Agfa Sonector LS.
However for the money they were to purchase new, and for the money they now sell for, the Agfa LS is a winner also!
Ken, if you have an English manual for the T610, I too would like a copy of it please, if that's ok?
As far as records show, the manual was only ever produced in German and also in French, so you have done well there Ken somehow!
I have searched for at least 3 years to find one, but never have unfortunately.
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Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on August 08, 2015, 06:33 PM:
I have the Bauer 610 (and 525) full user manual in English on CD disk here in .pdf format. If it helps I can try and upload it to the forums so everyone can easily access or print it in future.
I also have the service manual and circuit diagrams on the same disk.
Kevin
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 08, 2015, 06:55 PM:
That would be great thanks Kevin!
Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on August 10, 2015, 02:57 AM:
Hello everyone
Doug has replied to me and I am in the process of sending him the Bauer manuals - ultimately Brad is the person who adds them to the archive so please all be patient and in due course you will have access to them.
Kevin
Posted by James Wilson (Member # 4620) on August 10, 2015, 11:49 AM:
I thought of the three models only the DCT had both optical &m Magnetic playback.
I have a DCM with 600ft reel & Magnetic playback.
Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on August 10, 2015, 12:18 PM:
Hi Tom, I cannot reply to your PM because your mailbox is full and I need your address. Also, thanks to other respondents for the extra info. I do not have any threading problems once that top loop guide has positioned itself correctly. Ken Finch.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 10, 2015, 04:49 PM:
Thank you, Kevin! Pdf files of the user & service manuals along with a circuit diagram will soon be available in the Manuals section. Until then, they may be downloaded from here.
Doug
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 10, 2015, 05:08 PM:
Thank you Doug and Kevin. That is extremely useful for Tom, myself and no doubt, one or two others.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 10, 2015, 06:12 PM:
Thanks, I downloaded the three documents. The service manual is in German, but better than nothing.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 10, 2015, 11:45 PM:
That's crazy! Ha ha, I managed to find easily an English written service manual but never the actual instruction manual.
Ah well at least between us all now we can finally issue to all both the instruction and service manuals both in English,where required, thanks to Kevin.
Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on August 11, 2015, 06:51 PM:
Hello Andrew
Please send Doug your English language service manual as a .pdf file and I am sure he will upload it to the forums then all Bauer users will benefit from it.
Hopefully I will find some more useful documents films and equipment here as my cine tidy up continues.
Kevin
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 11, 2015, 07:23 PM:
Of course, Will do Kevin. It's a purchased copy on Paper and isn't very good at all truth be told, especially regarding the drawings, however it is there for whoever, however I can send a copy, same for Doug of course.
Was yours already on CD Kevin?
Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on August 11, 2015, 07:51 PM:
My version was already on CD Andrew so I cannot take the credit for scanning it and converting to a .pdf file. I can't remember where it came from it really is turning into a voyage of discovery as I tidy up here. Just found two 1970's Derann hire catalogues and a box of 200 x 400ft unused spools so anything could turn up in due course.
Kevin
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 11, 2015, 07:55 PM:
How can you NOT know you have a box of 200 spools?!!
Also, I paid very good money for said hire catalogue not so long ago. (from a much later era though)
My Oh my Kevin, you have far too much gear in the hobby! Ha Ha Ha
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Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on August 11, 2015, 08:11 PM:
The box of spools were hiding (as if they have a life of their own) behind the rear seat row of the Bapchild Bijou.
Their 'best mates' were in a box to the left - 2000ft of unslit 16mm to std 8 leader. Goodness knows what will turn up next.
Back on subject I hope you are enjoying your Bauer Tom and that the manuals help guide you to getting the best from your projector.
Kevin.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 11, 2015, 08:18 PM:
Me Too Tom!
I'm having a nightmare just as soon as Edwin closed his gates for a holiday.
Took the full feature plus rewinding to wipe it out mind, all on separate reels I might add .
Motor or controller packed in just at the end of "Seven Brides..
on the latest Bauer machine.
Ah well, these things are sent to try us!
Find out tomorrow what is to blame by interchanging parts and getting the Multimeter out.
Let's hope it's true in that "God Loves a Trier!"
No news from Mark's latest trials and tribulations yet?
Strange..??
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