8mm Forum: Niles Films and Price Lists

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Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 26, 2017, 02:19 PM:

In case anyone is interested, this was in the box with one of their features...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 26, 2017, 02:22 PM:

That's fantastic Joe!!

Thanks for posting. [Wink]

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 26, 2017, 02:41 PM:

Good to see these lists. Looks like Niles didn't have the rights to either of the Fox Holmes films. Did anyone release these on 8mm?

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 26, 2017, 06:26 PM:

From the above list, we can see that the cost to print 400' (15-16 min, B/W, sound) is about $16-18. If we cut the copyright cost, it will go down to $14-15.

For Color and sound is roughly $30-35

The value of $15 & $30 in 1978 is equal to $65 & $130 in 2017.

But that is with a notorius dupe's Niles print.

If a company offering 32 minutes show in LPP colir and stereo sound for $260....that is about right...even cheaper....knowing the better quality, rarity and small market.

What is the retail price of the Captain America, and what is the duration?

cheers,

Posted by Greg Perry (Member # 5177) on March 26, 2017, 10:18 PM:

Winbert,

To try and answer your question: A recent (within perhaps 6 months) price list from Steve Osborne's The Reel Image, shows a 31 minute Captain America (scope) for $224. By my math, that is roughly $7.22 per minute.

Not sure why Andrew is apparently upset over this. Andrew, you are a tremendously knowledgeable technical expert when it comes to projectors and a passionate collector--however, perhaps it would be better for you to NOT comment if you don't particularly care for a line of discussion.

Perhaps I am mistaken by your hanging cartoon and "Arrghh! and "it/shit" reference Andrew, but it seems to be directed at Winbert's analysis.
If this is stressful to you, maybe a temporary "timeout" from the forum is needed.....The negativity isn't helpful I don't think.....

Respectfully,
Greg

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 27, 2017, 03:56 AM:

No it isn't stressful thank you Greg,simply an expression of continual dismay brought about by the constant fixation to calculate or comment upon a films modern day value, that's all.
Pitiful is more how I'd term it.

It isn't only our friend Winbert who is guilty of this over analytical aspect of our hobby either. It rears its head very very frequently, these constant discussions surrounding the predicted value of these older goods in today's market.
Who is paying too much for what,how much the DVD is on offer at Walmart this week etc etc etc.

My point is only ever that these things in the right hands, are priceless, but offered to most, absolutely worthless.

They are simply worth only what one or two people are prepared to pay for such items, not a penny more, not one less.
None of it matters,only that the films are still there to be USED and enjoyed.

Can you believe Greg, some people here and elsewhere, have paid rather large sums of money to watch a film only twice despite admitting they have owned it for many many years??
What a waste!
Why not just then pass it on,if you don't enjoy it much, and let someone else, who loves this film, really get the pleasure from these things that they deserve?

I'd much rather put in similar efforts discussing the merits of maintaining these prints in A1 condition while running them,as opposed to any possible merits by way of locking these things up in a temperature controlled vault for the hope that one day, they may well bring us all plenty of dollars as we see people admit to.

That is my primary reason for my interest in the preservation of the machinery to show these films on. Otherwise, without it,these films would have no more value to my myself than they would by offering them to the average Joe in the street.

[ March 27, 2017, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on March 27, 2017, 05:24 AM:

Still puzzled why everything has to be your way andy

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 27, 2017, 05:29 AM:

It doesn't Bill.

But do we like films, those of us who frequent these places, or the possible prospect of the monetary gains from these things?

That's all Bill. [Wink]

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 27, 2017, 10:10 AM:

It is, in my experience, quite possible to just enjoy owning film prints without watching them regularly and yet without giving any thought at all to future value.

Now, back on track, who, if anyone, released the Fox Holmes films on 8mm?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 27, 2017, 11:14 AM:

Regularly or once / twice max, in a decade or more?

That is the part which makes no sense at all to me. [Confused]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 27, 2017, 11:35 AM:

Hmmm, it looks like "The Scarlet Claw" was a good deal, as Niles priced them all at the same price ($119.00), where "Claw" was 74 minutes instead of just slightly over 60 minutes, which most of the other features were. Shoer feature films those Holmes films!

That reminds me of something ...

I believe that some other super 8 companies must have gotten ahold of Niles negatives when they went out of business. I have a copy of "Popeye Meets Ali baba and his 40 Thieves", and while it is an L.P.P. print,. the leader clearly says "Niles films" on it, so i don't know who printed this re-release of a Niles title, but they did a good job of it, AND on L.P.P. film stock.

I wonder what other Niles releases were re-released after they went under?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 27, 2017, 12:57 PM:

The cartoon in question and accompanying comment have been removed. It originally occupied the #5 spot in this thread.

I will look into this in greater detail later today.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 27, 2017, 03:47 PM:

I have only seen three Niles prints, The Outlaw, The Dentist (w,c,Fields), and a 30 minute mystery called The Shadow . All three were absolutely awful quality.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 27, 2017, 04:03 PM:

Never knew they did the Bogart documentary. It was very good as was Selznick doc. I've seen Its A Wonderful life it tended to vary reel by reel in quality Watching White Zombie was an endurance as was a number of copies of Flying Deuces before I got a polyester print. I've only seen The Mountain versions of the Outlaw which I think were 4x400 and pretty soft. The 39 Steps I had was DCR print so must have been a different print source not perfect but watchable.

I think Phantom Ship is aka The Mystery of Marie Celeste a film distributed by Exclusive before it became Hammer Films.

[ March 27, 2017, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Mike Newell ]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 27, 2017, 04:05 PM:

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The cartoon in question and accompanying comment have been removed.

Thanks Doug.

cheers,

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