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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 22, 2018, 04:12 PM:

Just a quick check how many of you use hand rewinders for your films? me, well I would never rewind films any other way and always wind by hand.... except on 35mm [Smile]

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on February 22, 2018, 04:15 PM:

Graham ... I am an ex pro projectionist so like you its manual hand rewinders for me every time. Even on 35mm film.

Same for print checking and make up.

I guess some really good habits are hard to break. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on February 22, 2018, 04:27 PM:

I use external rewinders as well (except when I'm too lazzy I have to confess). You must use them anyway when you clean your films, so why not when you rewind after a projection ?

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on February 22, 2018, 04:51 PM:

i bench rewind always for both 8 and 16mm, over the years a lot of wear is surly saved on the projector.

[ February 23, 2018, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: Tom Photiou ]

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on February 22, 2018, 05:10 PM:

I only rewind on the 16mm projector, never on super 8. Every print I get goes on the bench for inspection and cleaning before projection. Regular 8 gets hand rewound on the projector.....the beautiful Bolex M8! [Smile]

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on February 22, 2018, 05:53 PM:

I have always rewound film by hand because you know usually I am in a cranky mood

Posted by Daniel Macarone (Member # 5102) on February 22, 2018, 06:59 PM:

For Super 8, I always rewind on my pair of Elmo rewinds. They clamp onto a table and they can fit a 15" reel, which can be up to 2300', even though it says 1200' on the packaging.

For 16mm, I don't rewind at all ... and I don't project at all either, but that's because I have not been ready to collect that format yet. When I am ready, I will get Moviola 35mm rewinds, not that I will buy 35mm films, but to have sturdy, high quality rewinds to adapt for 8 & 16mm.

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on February 22, 2018, 09:22 PM:

I'm just an old crank too!

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 22, 2018, 11:15 PM:

Tom

You hit the nail on the head [Smile]

If folk want there precious GS1200 projector gears etc to last, then dont put strain on those little plastic gears at the back of those arms that are prone to cracking, however I understand you can still buy them [Big Grin]

The best thing I ever bought, was a pair of Shinko clamp on 8/16mm hand winders. I would be lost without them [Smile]

Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on February 23, 2018, 04:29 AM:

Yeah I’m the same as Bill,I use my Bolex M8 to watch my Standard 8mm silent films on and use the crank handle to rewind all the films,it can be done with the motor by attaching a spring band,but I don’t want to [Smile]

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on February 23, 2018, 05:12 AM:

Always - quicker,safer and less wear and tear on the projector.

Posted by James Wilson (Member # 4620) on February 23, 2018, 07:13 AM:

I always use a rewinder for cleaning & assessing 16mm super8 & Standard 8mm film.
Fro me it`s a must have.
James.

Posted by Rich Malmsten (Member # 5787) on February 23, 2018, 11:13 AM:

For those of you who rewind manually, are you primarily talking about large reels, or do you manually rewind 200 and 400 ft reels, too? I never considered the small reels to be an issue, but maybe I should reconsider.

Do you have multiple auto takeup reels, you can show five or six cartoons in a row without having to rewind and take them off before showing the next one?

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 23, 2018, 11:35 AM:

Hi Rich

I use the hand rewinders for all size of film reels, it only takes a couple of minutes to rewind by hand. If I was to put a film show on for others, then I use the hand rewinders to join the films together, removing the heads and tails to give a seamless flow, from one film to the next without stopping. I dont lose any frames either, as I simply peel away the splice to re-attach the leaders when I am finished. I do have set reels put aside on 800ft or 1200ft that have a film programme of shorts.

I find the hand rewinders a very valuable tool [Smile]

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on February 23, 2018, 02:42 PM:

No matter what size a reel of film is I make 'em up and break 'em down on manual rewind arms. Its that simple. [Big Grin]

Posted by Edwin van Eck (Member # 4690) on February 26, 2018, 08:58 AM:

We always use handrewinders for cleaning film and checking for defects in splicer before we project or digitize films.

These handrewinders are harder to get and therefore we have decided to start manufacturing these again. We are using these ourselves know for some time to great satisfaction.

Soon we will add these to our webshop!

Here a preview already:

We use adaptors for super8 and 9,5mm films, see:
https://winkel.van-eck.net/PP-0038-S--viewers.html

Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on February 26, 2018, 09:04 AM:

I like those alot Edwin!
I like the table mount on these. I still keep hoping I will find a nice set of rewinders locally, but so far no luck, so I will look into these when you have them on the webshop. Thx for showing us these.

Posted by Edwin van Eck (Member # 4690) on June 19, 2018, 08:09 AM:

Our newly produced film rewinders are now ready and for sale!

See: https://shop.van-eck.net/RW-0062.html?_globalsearch=rw-600m

Film rewinder Van Eck RW-600M (new

Film rewinder for 8mm, 9,5 and 16mm films

Specifications:
* For reels up to 600 meters (2000 ft)
* Can be attached to table with included table clamps

* For regular8 and 16mm films
* For super8 films using optional adapters (PP-0038-S)
* For 9,mm films using optional adapter (PP-0038-9)

* Runs very Smoothly
* Film reel rotates in same direction as winder handle
* Transmission: 1:3

Materiaal:
- aluminum frame
- steel and nylon parts

Dimensions: 11 x 6 x 23 cm
Weight 1150 grams

Design and fabrication by 3dformadesign.nl
Made in the Netherlands

Posted by Mike Spice (Member # 5957) on June 20, 2018, 06:43 AM:

hand rewind every time.

Posted by Nantawat Kittiwarakul (Member # 6050) on June 20, 2018, 11:08 PM:

A little dirty secret... [Big Grin]

Since I already have a pair of 35mm film gauge rewinds on my desk. Found out that with a pair of Super8 >> Regular8 hub adapter,I can (somewhat) brute-force S8 reels to fit on my 35mm rewinds. And yes it works flawlessly,sort of.

With further slight modification it'll even accept 16mm reels too. Hence a pair of all-in-one rewinds. [Smile]

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on June 21, 2018, 08:14 AM:

Thomas 16mm rewinds screwed to a board. The Wittner chrome Super 8 adapters go on these perfectly and match as if original to them.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 22, 2018, 07:45 PM:

I am considered my self as still young. At least according to the UN standard [Razz]

But I never ever rewind my film (any size) hand cranked...it is too tiring. I knew rewinding on the machine will damage some gears inside...so I just bought a cheap projector to do the job.

But comes to my mind now what is the other point to hand crank rewinding films other than protecting the gears?

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 23, 2018, 12:55 PM:

mainly for inspecting etc, you control the speed and tension at which you rewind. It's also a lot faster and, (im guessing), over many years it must save a lot of wear and tear on all the moving parts of any projector.
For 16mm, i would use no other option for rewinding / cleaning
[Wink]

Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on June 23, 2018, 01:22 PM:

I have and use Thomas rewinders for 16 and 9.5mm films mounted on a board with a Haynor 9.5mm viewer in between. I also use this for editing of course! For the 8mm gauges I have acquired 3 editor /viewers which I also use when cleaning and joining. I also use projectors for rewinding but usually if I am only screening one reel. I may have never been a professional projectionist but I learned the "right" way to treat films many years ago!! I may add that I really dislike self threading projectors. I wonder how many of you agree with me about that one! Ken Finch. [Smile]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on June 23, 2018, 02:22 PM:

Have to agree with you about auto thread projectors Ken. None of them are 100% reliable, although some do have a pretty high threading success rate. But it only takes one mis-thread to scratch a film, sometimes the whole reel. Nothing beats manual threading.

Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on June 23, 2018, 02:46 PM:

Hi Paul, Glad you agree with me. One old cinema projectionist said to me many years ago. "No projectionist worth his salt would use a self threading machine". A late friend of mine purchased a County Film Educational Film Library when they disposed of all their films and equipment on moving over to VHS. He was told that when self threading projectors replaced the older manual threading ones they had far more films returned damaged than they had previously. This was also partly due to the fact that "Powers that be" decided it was no longer necessary for teachers to take and pass the "Visual Aids Certificate" course before being able to use equipment. Ken Finch. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Thomas Knappstein (Member # 6134) on June 24, 2018, 01:38 AM:

Hello!
I am using my selfmade Motor Rewinder over 20 Years now. I also can be used as a Hand Rewinder. On the Top is the Speed regulating Knob.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 24, 2018, 02:14 AM:

Generally speaking on manual threading, aside my 16mm all my super 8s have been auto thread,for 40 years. Auto threading has never given us a problem, as long as the leaders are trimmed properly and not damage it has served us fine for 40 years, however,from a professional projectionists point of view, i fully understand what you say. I think if i had only ever got into 16mm and not super 8 i may have a different point of view, but for super 8 use i have never had a problem, [Wink]

I certainly dont disagree as this is something that individuals will decide themselves. It's what works best for each person. [Wink]

[ June 24, 2018, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Tom Photiou ]

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