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Posted by Werner Ruotsalainen (Member # 6217) on January 28, 2019, 02:42 PM:

At last, I've received back my films shot last May here in Finland. The first is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnazf4HDlzU

Please see the video's description for more info on the locations & sights with tons of links to Wiki / 360 "making of" videos.

Posted by Werner Ruotsalainen (Member # 6217) on January 29, 2019, 02:22 PM:

I've just finished scanning and uploading another (this time, Standard) 8mm film I shot last May also here in Finland. The material was also Fomapan R 100 and I used two Leicinas with three external and one internal lens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cfVcYygIs

Unlike with the previous video, the description of this one isn't yet fully written - it only lists some of the sights /events I've filmed. I'll try to get it ready later.

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on January 30, 2019, 03:33 PM:

That's some nicely shot and purposeful footage there!

Posted by Werner Ruotsalainen (Member # 6217) on February 02, 2019, 02:31 AM:

Thanks!

I've just finalized the description of the second (Std8) film.

I've also written posted a lengthy evaluation and comparison of the Quarz DS8-3 and Leicina 8S cameras. I post it here as it may be of interest to many:

The Leicina 8S camera’s lenses (ALL of them - I've tested the 6.25, 9, (built-in) 15 and 36mm ones) are considerably more contrasty than that of any Quarz DS8-3 ( http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Zenit_Quarz_DS8-3 ) cameras. If you (also) plan to scan your Fomapan footage and you only have a Wolverine (Somikon etc.) scanner and both camera models, you might want to prefer the Quarz because of the lesser contrast. The dynamic range of the the one Wolverine scanner just can’t cope with the large dynamic range Fomapan delivers when exposed in a camera with a contrasty lens. With the Quarz DS8-3 essentially crushing the dynamic range during shooting, you won’t have problems with the Wolverine scanner either. Feel free to inspect the number of burnt-out highlights / black shadows in the footage of these films.

Of course, the two camera models are really incomparable. The Quarz is a LOT weightier and bulkier, particularly if you keep the handle on (the handle of the Leicina 8S takes very little space when closed). Its main disadvantage is the clockwork: it only shoots for 29 seconds when completely wound up. (Measured the same value on three specimen; note that the Standard 8 version of the same camera also shoots for 29s - at 16fps.) It has a selenium light meter, which MAY become weaker over time if you constantly expose it to light. (This is the case of my Std8 Quarz but not any of the three Quarz DS8-3 I have.) The Leicina operates on a battery but it requires a cell adapter. Also, the AA batteries you use in the Leicina need to be thin, which rules out most of the rechargeables available today.

The biggest difference comes from the Leicina not being able to use really high f-stops, which may cause problems with the currently (only) available ISO100 (DIN 21) film stock, which is certainly higher than most of the film stock sold back in time. If you, during filming, notice the viewfinder becomes completely black with a latch emerging from the bottom upwards (you can see this at 00:07 01:10 and 02:21 in this footage), you must “fool” the meter to reopen the light path by turning the light meter’s overrider to force overexposure.

Also, the Soviet camera’s widest focal length is 9mm, which is 55mm 35mm (full-frame) eqivalent - the focal length multiplier being 6.15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format (dedicated discussion at http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=73022 ). On the other hand, one of the standard lens (the one I shot most of the time with) of the German camera was 6.25mm, which is 45mm equiv (multiplier: 7.28). The 55mm “wideangle” is anything but wide. Nevertheless, the zoom still offers a lot of creativity simply not possible with a non-zoom camera. (Unfortunately, the other Std8 in the Leicina series, the 8SV ( https://www.filmkorn.org/super8data/database/cameras_list/cameras_leicina/leicina_8sv.htm ), while equipped with a zoom lens, starts at 7.5mm (54mm equiv.), giving up one of the biggest advantages of the Leicina 8S coupled with the 6.25mm lens. Of (both Standard and Super) Double cameras, very few offer a zoom with wide angle. Of the (unfortunately, few) DS8 cameras, only the Canon Zoom DS-8 is wider (starting at 7.5mm - oh, and it has a brighter, 1.4 lens) - and, of course, some of the C-mount lens (for example, the Schneider Variogon 1,8/7-56) for the Pathé Webo DS8. You must go for Super8 cameras like Canon 1014XL-S (it starts at 6.5mm, which is really wide, 40mm equiv, for Super8 cameras without interchangeable lens) or with interchangeable lens to get true wideangle.

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