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Posted by Fraser Amos (Member # 7172) on November 20, 2019, 04:06 PM:

Just purchased a Eumig 610 d from EBay

Quite simple to work and great condition but the Projector lamp won't work and it's making a screeching sound and smelt of rubber.

Is it a simple fix or should I return on eBay

It is my first Projector so need some guidance.

There's not a great deal of literature on problems just basic YouTube videos.

Regards

Fraser

[ November 28, 2019, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Fraser Amos ]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 21, 2019, 03:26 AM:

Fraser
I assume you mean it's a 610D .
The screeching sound and smells of rubber seems to refer to trouble with the belt/s.
If the lamp has blown they are quite cheap to replace.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/231-100w-GZ6-35-64627-6834FO/dp/B000N5MVAO/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2C1XI3U67L3MC&keywords=efp+12v+100w&qid=1574328303&s=lighting&sprefix=efp%2Ccomputers%2C140&sr=1 -1

I suggest in the first place that you contact the seller.
If it was me I would return it. There are plenty on eBay.

Posted by Tom Dennis (Member # 7149) on November 21, 2019, 07:36 AM:

Good Day FRAZER, Do you mean 602? These are generaly fairly bullet proof. The lamp pins suffer from corrosion, removing the lamp and cleaning the pins generaly cures the problem, it could be the lamp base as these sometimes disintegrate and need to be replaced.The belt is easy to replace BUT I agree with MAURICE fistly contact the seller as to his description

Cheers TOM

Posted by Fraser Amos (Member # 7172) on November 21, 2019, 02:25 PM:

Hi Tom And Maurice thanks for the advice it is A Eumig 610 D

The EBay seller was a charity that said it was fully working which is annoying as I have so many films taken by my Grandad from 1952 to 1988 of great memories.

The seller said I can open a case but it will cost About £10 to return against taking a punt on new belt and bulb for about £15 and I may ask a local camera shop for some advice.

The Projector looks like new and came in original box with polystyrene so I need to decide on what to do.

Posted by Will Trenfield (Member # 5321) on November 21, 2019, 05:53 PM:

I'm afraid that some sellers assume that a projector is working if they can hear the motor turning. Some of the "working" projectors I've bought on eBay have needed new belts as the originals had turned to gunk. This is not surprising given the age of these machines and the fact that they probably have been stored for years. The type of bulbs used seem to suffer from connection problems due to a build up of oxide on the pins, often easily removed by sanding with an emery board for example.

Posted by Nantawat Kittiwarakul (Member # 6050) on November 21, 2019, 07:58 PM:

Not Eumig but...

Saw this little monster in local classified a couple of years ago for 50$, shipping not included. Contacted the seller and he informed that the motor spins, but the rest kinda "stuck" - nothing else moves. The lamp didn't light also.

After some (aggressive) negotiation, convincing him that a crippled machine like this would have small chance being sold ("Take it of leave it. I's your decision." I'm that harsh [Wink]

). We finally settled down at 40$ with shipping.

It turns out to be just a sticky main drive shaft - a few drop of 3 in 1 oil and it's back to life. [Big Grin]

The belt had to be replaced however. The lamp pins were a bit corroded. Scrapping them clean and bang - it lit back to life also.

So if it's me, I'd take the chance by keeping it. Let's see if it could be cured by such a simple maintenance like these. [Razz]

[ November 21, 2019, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: Nantawat Kittiwarakul ]

Posted by Tom Dennis (Member # 7149) on November 22, 2019, 04:44 AM:

Good morning Fraser,

Having worked on several of this series pf EUMIG may I offer you some tips? Firstly lamp, before you buy a new lamp,gentley remove the lamp from lamp holder carefully clean the two pins then try in machine (sometimes checking with meter gives a wrong result) as does a visual examination. When changing belt clean pulleys well. This machine has 50/60 cycle pulley,50 is the right hand one. If you did not get the instruction book let me know as I have copies.

GOOD LUCK TOM

Posted by Fraser Amos (Member # 7172) on November 22, 2019, 03:40 PM:

Hi thank you Will,Nantawat and Tom

I will try to clean contacts and look at belt the model Was bought new in 1974 so hope that the new type of replacement belt works fine thanks for the tip on the 50 cycle pulley

Posted by Fraser Amos (Member # 7172) on November 23, 2019, 05:26 AM:

Hi opened up the front cover and can't pull the bulb out and the connector is plastic at back but cardboard on other side the build filament looks good.

Can't upload photos as don't have a PC

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 23, 2019, 09:42 AM:

Fraser

Have you first undone the spring holding the lamp in position?
Do this, pull the lamp towards you, and then holding the lamp-holder in your left hand, gently pull the lamp away from the lamp-holder.

It's quite possible that it does not come out easily as the contacts have corroded. You may have to lever it out with a small flat bladed screwdriver. The lamp may look OK, but that's no guarantee that it is.

https://van-eck.net/img/itable/images/film_57_Mark%20610D_1479833143379.jpg

Posted by Tom Dennis (Member # 7149) on November 23, 2019, 01:25 PM:

Hi Fraser

Was your projector from B.H.F.? if so I saw no mention of an instruction leaflet.My previous offer of an instruction book still stands(this shows lamp and belt change). I will gladly post you one down along with a belt gratis. Please contact me and between all of us get this machine on the road!!

CHEERS TOM

P.S. The belt is a good used one taken from a recently serviced machine

Posted by Fraser Amos (Member # 7172) on November 23, 2019, 01:28 PM:

Hi thank you Maurice

The lamp holder comes out out of spring easy but the plug in cream in the Van-eck photo is not like mine as the inner part of plug has card board that's falling that makes me believe there may be a bodge.

I can see that the van-eco lead has been repaired with a red wires which may be needed with my machine.

Hi Tom thank you

The Machine was not from BHF and thank you for the help I have an instruction manual and found it east to take bulb out of housing but I can't pull of the bulb.

Reluctant to prise open as I will have a problem returning to the EBay charity as they said I can open a return case.

Pity as the machine is in amazing condition otherwise and I am curious to the cardboard type material on the lamp plug it looks like a bodge

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 23, 2019, 03:18 PM:

The lamp-holder should be a small white ceramic disc with two wires connected. The other side has the holes to which the lamp plugs in.

Often, older projectors have had a new ceramic holder fitted due to oxidation of its contacts. This is where a connection is usually made to its original lead from the inside of the projector. The connection is usually covered in tape.

Posted by Tom Dennis (Member # 7149) on November 23, 2019, 03:37 PM:

Hi Fraser
I can see your dilema, having encountred similar problems in the past, invariably the lamp base disintegrates and/or the pins on the lamp come adrift.whist replacing the lamp base is not a hard job, it would appear in your situation that you may need to replace 3 items before you can start to show your films.

CHEERS
TOM

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