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Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on January 30, 2009, 09:55 AM:

Hello. I am new here and also new to the world of 8mm. I recently bought a super 8 print of Dawn of the Dead from Gian Luca Mario Loncrini, and now I am hooked.

I am a little depressed to see a couple of prints of Night have been sold here recently, but I figured I'd put out the request just in case.

Great forum!

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on January 30, 2009, 10:48 AM:

Hello Eric!
Welcome here to the forum! [Smile]

[ January 30, 2009, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Gian Luca Mario Loncrini ]

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on January 30, 2009, 12:00 PM:

Hi Eric, Can't help on the film but I can extend the welcome given by Gian Luca. Best of luck in your search and enjoy the Forum.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on January 30, 2009, 12:16 PM:

Hello and Welcome!
How do you like the color and quality of the Full length Dawn of the Dead? I have the German cut down and the quality of that one is very good.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on January 30, 2009, 12:56 PM:

Hello and Welcome!
How do you like the color and quality of the Full length Dawn of the Dead? I have the German cut down and the quality of that one is very good.

Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on January 30, 2009, 01:19 PM:

Eric, welcome to forum.

You will probably see NOLD on Ebay close to halloween. [Smile]

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on January 30, 2009, 02:16 PM:

Thanks for the welcome, everyone.

I thought the colors were a little warm, similar to one of the laserdisc releases in the 1980s. Reels 3, 4 and 5 were fairly clean and looked the best.

It was also a trial by fire in learning how to use a projector. I bought a Chinon 9000 locally and using it was a piece of cake.

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on January 30, 2009, 04:04 PM:

Welcome to the forum, Eric!

I don't think you will have too much trouble finding "Night of the Living Dead", as there were alot of prints made of this back in the 70's/80's. Being a public domain title at the time, alot of small companies were producing it. I guess the biggest problem will be finding an excellent quality print. The good thing about NOTLD though is, its still good, eerie atmosphere, even with a substandard print.

Finding "Dawn" in full-length is definately alot more rare. By the way, is it the Italian cut or the American cut?

James.

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on January 30, 2009, 04:09 PM:

It is the European Argento edit with Italian language.

I have been reading around and notice that some folks have dubbed new soundtracks onto their foriegn language films. My projector can record audio. Would it be as simple as creating my own audio track, syncing it up and pressing the record button?

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on January 30, 2009, 04:44 PM:

Eric, I'm so happy you finally had my ex copy of DAWN OF THE DEAD. And I really hope you will enjoy it the same way I did when I had found it after SO SO LONGTIME! I know it's probably hard for you to 'understand' Italian dialogues (eh eh) even if you know that film so well, but there surely should be a way to re-record the soundtrack. The only (only... [Confused]

) two problems you will probably have are:

- THE COPY IS A PIRATE ONE, from a positive master: the 35 mm. version is cut here and there. This means that it won't be so easy to 're-create' the full soundtrack in original language.

- IT'S AN EX COPY FOR RENT. And there are cuts and splices here and there as well. This will probably represent another little limit. I hope anyway you will find the way to recreate the soundtrack for the movie. Color is not so bad. Not pink or red, at least. So I'm sure you will enjoy the movie! I hope you will find someone helping you in this.

I use to dub my Derann prints into Italian. But using super 8 prints/dvds produced from the same masters. And this is absolutely easier. Consider you have to sync projector and the playback source. Be sure your projector is in a position to do that.

But we are all friends, here. If it won't be me, a lot of nice people will tell you how to do it and probably (hope so) help you.

CIAO

[Big Grin]

GIAN

[ January 30, 2009, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Gian Luca Mario Loncrini ]

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on January 31, 2009, 08:55 AM:

I was thinking about camcording each reel, and creating a soundtrack from the DVD and matching it up to each reel, respectively, and then inputting the audio source into the projector, synching it up and hitting the record button. Is that pretty much the standard operating procedure?

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 02, 2009, 06:30 PM:

Hi Eric. Well, the basic problem is speed.
Super 8 works at 24/sec. BUT DVD AT 25/sec! You should have a projector built with the possibility to change speed, do you? In this case you should do it. But remember the cuts. Otherwise the result will be a total mass. Hope someone will help you with this. As I already told you, I use to re-record my Derann prints, but the versions of the DVDs or VHSs I normally play to re-create the soundtrack ARE THE SAME I have on super 8: not a minute in more or less, nor a frame in more or less. That's why it's easy! What you are inteded to do needs more ability.
Hope you will get it, anyway.
CIAO

[Wink]

[ February 03, 2009, 04:12 AM: Message edited by: Gian Luca Mario Loncrini ]

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on February 03, 2009, 02:13 AM:

Eric - there is of course another alternative......... You could always learn Italian. [Big Grin]

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 03, 2009, 04:13 AM:

[Big Grin]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 05, 2009, 12:08 AM:

Here is copy of "Night of the Living Dead".
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIGHT-OF-THE-LIVING-DEAD-Super-8-Feature-5x400-8mm_W0QQitemZ320338327660QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63821QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

However the buy it now is way too high ...even his reserve is very high. Unless its Halloween the normal price for that is around $80-150. If no one buys it then make a counteroffer once the auction is over. Good Luck!

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on February 05, 2009, 07:27 AM:

Thanks Alan!

I agree, I don't think they will get their reserve but you never know.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on February 05, 2009, 04:52 PM:

hi Eric, Alan is right...this RED FOX version is worth about $100.00 tops. To tell you the truth, i've had a couple of the RED FOX NOTLD prints over the years, and it's not the best super 8mm print of this film. The negative used had some jumpy splices, although the picture & sound is acceptable. The jumpy snips are not in the actual film, just the source material for the RED FOX print. I found the best overall version is the DEMAIO FILM SERVICE print. Just my opinion, and even that one is only worth around $100.00 [Smile]

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 05, 2009, 05:59 PM:

Hello Eric, how are you? I agree with Alan and Joe. I actually do not have a RED FOX print anymore (did not like it so much and sold some years ago) but I remember it was not a top-quality print. And the price of the copy on Ebay is really too much! [Eek!]

Did you try to dub DANW? Let me know.
CIAO

GL

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on February 05, 2009, 06:04 PM:

Hi Guys, We don't talk about Pirate prints on here do we [Wink]

Kev.

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on February 05, 2009, 07:01 PM:

Ok. Sorry Kevin.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 05, 2009, 09:32 PM:

Form the above Ebay link:

quote:
Reserve is set at $200.

What does it mean, if the seller put reserved price but then declaring the minimum reservation? Does it mean who ever the bidder has to put above $200 to get the film?

Posted by Peter Willems (Member # 1411) on February 06, 2009, 03:33 AM:

Hi Eric,

I got a NOTLD print from Ivy Films many years ago and it is pretty good. The focus is a bit soft and the contrast could be somewhat better.

Dubbing with new audio is pretty simple. I use a modified Bauer T525 with a circuit that automatically synchronizes with the CVBS of an input video signal. Pretty cool! I took the rotary shutter out so that I can use 1/50s exposure time. I am using it for films transfer and for reading in frame-by-frame. After editing audio dubbing can be done same way. If you burn a DVD exactly matching the film you can even use it for regular audio playback when projecting. This way you can have AC3 or DTS with Super8! Only deficits are that you have to start manually and you can't stop the running film. First the projector won't stop because the PC or DVD player outputs a video signal anyway. Second if the video signal is gone the projector falls back to 24fps. The equipment is available here:

http://www.telecine.de

Regards,

Peter

Posted by Antonis Galanakis (Member # 1455) on February 11, 2009, 02:08 PM:

INF

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIGHT-OF-THE-LIVING-DEAD-Super-8mm-Film-Sound-Feature_W0QQitemZ230325053010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_DVD_Film_TV_OtherFormats_GL?hash=item230325053010&_trksid=p32 86.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on February 12, 2009, 08:03 AM:

I am assuming that this latest auction is a cut down since it is only on three 600' reels?

I emailed the seller and they said that is the complete release, it isn't missing a reel.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 14, 2009, 04:47 PM:

Welcome to the forum as well!

Good luck on your search for the macabre!

Except for "Alien" and "Vampyr", I really haven't gotten into Horror much on Super 8.

Posted by Antonis Galanakis (Member # 1455) on March 23, 2009, 02:36 AM:

For your inf
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320351381305

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 23, 2009, 02:55 PM:

Ooooooh....its in colour!!!! If I collected S8 I would want it at any price!!!

[Wink]

[ March 23, 2009, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Michael O'Regan ]

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 23, 2009, 05:03 PM:

I asked this same seller about the color quality (or lack thereof) of some other films they're selling...I got very evasive answers to both queries [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Dan Pinto (Member # 630) on March 23, 2009, 07:27 PM:

Sorry about listing it as color, that was an honest typo. And please, I was trying to say that color issues (redness) are always graded on a collector to collector basis, in other words what is unwatchable to you may not be to me. Doug will tell you, I'm really a nice guy!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 23, 2009, 10:42 PM:

Dan Pinto is one of the least evasive people I know! I've found him to be quite an honest guy. We'll have to work on that color/B&W thing, though. [Big Grin]

Doug

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 24, 2009, 04:13 PM:

Dan, with all due respect, in one of your descriptions you stated it was red in dark scenes (I think that was the "mummy" feature), and that honesty was the best policy, so I assumed you were able to view your films and provide the color quality answers. I asked about the color of "Ghidrah" and "Magical Mystery Tour". I said your answers were 'evasive' because you didn't clearly state that the films were "pinked", "faded", or "red"....you just stated there was color there, or that last time you saw it...,etc..... That could mean anything!...those answers stopped me from placing any bids or offers. However, if I knew that you were a Forum member, or that Doug vouched for you, that would have said a lot! We all know that eBay is a "pirate ship", and you have to be careful [Wink]

[ March 24, 2009, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: Joe Taffis ]

Posted by Eric Kent (Member # 1446) on March 24, 2009, 05:27 PM:

I won Dan Pinto's auction. Now for the waiting [Wink]

Thanks for all the heads up provided by this fantastic group of film handlers!

Posted by Dan Pinto (Member # 630) on March 24, 2009, 10:11 PM:

Hi,

yeah, it's just a case of the old, "I'm thinning out my collection and I dont have the extra time to grade each film".I have a lot of the German Godzilla's and Full length Ghidrah in doubles, you know, one to watch and one to sell...

As for you Doug...my wife Mary says HI! [Cool]

Eric, I left you a message regarding the film, but I guess you know about the "Color" typo in the decription. Call back or email, please!

Thanks,

Dan

Posted by Phillip Black (Member # 179) on April 03, 2009, 05:31 PM:

Just saw this on eBay UK

[URL=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Night-Of-Living-Dead-Super-8mm-B-W-Home-Movie-5x-400ft_W0QQitemZ270368340827QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_DVD_Film_TV_OtherFormats_GL?hash=item270368340827&_trks id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318]ebay[/URL]

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