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Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on February 27, 2012, 11:07 AM:

"The Never Ending Story" 600' Derann SCOPE/STEREO/LPP. Anyone interested? I have acquired a second copy and don't really need two. Comes in original box! Looking to get $150 OBO. I know this is a rare one that doesn't come up for sale very often. onedelorean@yahoo.com

[ February 27, 2012, 03:20 PM: Message edited by: Adam Deierling ]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 27, 2012, 01:18 PM:

I can vouch for this being a very good digest. I have the stereo version of this as well, and soundtrack has some very good use of the stereo spectrum to it, (for instance, when the pieces are falling off of the "Goddesses" and you hear the pieces falling on either side ... nice.)

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on February 27, 2012, 04:57 PM:

Here is a youtube clip of my film. I did this last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIfWxJtY1cA

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 27, 2012, 05:26 PM:

Adam...it is amazing transfer...less flickers. Did you use 24 fps camera. Can you tell me what camera and the setting please.

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on February 27, 2012, 06:13 PM:

I used my Canon XH-A1. The trick is to shoot at 24fps and a shutter speed of 1/24.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 27, 2012, 10:42 PM:

Adam, thanks for the info.

Can you do me a favor to shoot with the same camera for "Alien" that you got from the Netherlands please..... You know the history of this reel.... I am curios to know what is the quality of this film.

thanks

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on February 27, 2012, 11:08 PM:

I will see what I can do.

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 28, 2012, 12:56 AM:

Adam,

Good luck if you try to post ALIEN on Youtube. I tried to post mine and it got blocked worldwide. The only one I know of there is this excerpt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asjQ6e6-7EY

Also, I have to say that your copy of "The Neverending Story" is gorgeous! If I had a scope lens for the Chinon 1200 and an extra $150 lying around, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I'm trying to same some money so I can get a camera like yours. I would love to be able to post super 8 film on Youtube flicker-free.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 28, 2012, 09:19 AM:

Chris, try once more to upload your "Alien" but for this time make the title in different ways, e.g "Ailen" or just simple "A digest from Ken Films Catalog # F-xxx". [Wink]

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 28, 2012, 11:29 AM:

Winbert,

Thanks for the suggestion but I have already tried that. When I first started posting film on Youtube I would use the title "Super 8mm Digest #__" for each one. There was nothing in the descriptions to indicate what the films were. Some of them still got blocked anyway. So, I decided that if I were to continue posting films, I would call them by name. If anything gets blocked, I remove it so I can post videos that are longer than 15 min.

The weird thing is I had already posted "ALIEN" once before. I had recorded my old library copy on VHS 25 years ago. I put the video up on Youtube and all I got was a "Matched third party content". I removed the old video before I posted the new one and that got completely blocked.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on February 28, 2012, 11:36 AM:

WOW! What a beautiful copy of that film. And the transfer is extraordinary. One of the best I have seen.

PatD

Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on February 28, 2012, 01:26 PM:

Excellent print and extraordinary transfer. Superb!

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 28, 2012, 04:42 PM:

OK, so Mr. Grumpy here, but this post was to sell his film...so far, the usual umpteen responses about everything BUT being interested in buying it!!!

Really, isn't the best place for this in the review section...I'd find nothing more annoying than putting a print up for sale and getting excited about seeing loads of posts; only to find thay all say, "yes, I have this one, it is great, etc!!!" Doh!

BTW; that is a good transfer in that it doesn't flicker, but it is soft and the sound is awful...WOW tastic!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 28, 2012, 05:29 PM:

quote:
only to find thay all say, "yes, I have this one, it is great, etc!!!" Doh!

Rob, sometime those unnecessary comments are good for the benefit of the sell, as this forum has a rule about bumping your own post. By having such comments this post will be on the top of the list rather than sinking in the middle of hundred posts. Mind that...!

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 28, 2012, 07:52 PM:

Hmm, yes, Winbert, I see what you mean...

But many members here know each other enough not to "bump"...

I wish we could discuss prints before someone puts one up for sale?

Surely there is nothing constructive in replying to a "I have this for sale" with "I have one also!"

???? [Confused]

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on February 28, 2012, 09:39 PM:

Thanks for trying to help a guy out Rob. I honestly don't mind. the fact that people are talking about it can only help me sell it. As far as the sharpness of the transfer...i blame my scope lens. i can never seem to get it any sharper and its a good Elmoscope. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The audio was kinda crappy because my camera wanted to keep boosting the audio and wasn't letting me compensate. The actual print is great picture and sound.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 28, 2012, 11:21 PM:

Adam, I know this print well and was running it new in the mid 1980's...I know it's a lovely print and I wish you the very best with your sale.

Maybe my comments sounded harsh, but we all here should be striving to present super 8 to it's very best. You've done a great job in transferring it to video and presenting it on YouTube in order to aid your sale (copyright issues aside).

What makes me slighty annoyed is that you've had loads of responses commenting upon the "quality" of the film (and I'm sure you'd admit yourself that the YouTube version in no way does justice to the actual print) without anyone expressing actual interest in buying it.

The issues with sharpness and sound are topics that we could discuss in the forum...surely what this community is all about?

I don't think it's a great advertisement for super 8 when people here are "oohhing" and "arrhhhing" over the kind of YouTube quality that anyone with a £20.00 DVD player and a £50.00 pocket projector would laugh out of the room.

That's not to say that your print wouldn't blow them away when shown at home on the big screen (I'm sure it would)...and therefore I wish you the best of luck with your sale...but, please guys, let's stop responding to screen shots or YouTube versions of super 8 prints with admiration. It's ridiculous.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 29, 2012, 01:35 PM:

Hey! It's snowing today!

(there's one for "grumpy drawers"!) [Wink]

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 29, 2012, 03:04 PM:

LOL!

That's me! [Wink]

Unless you mean it's snowing on your latest super 8 print...that isn't snow...that's neg dust...that would be awful...like the "nothing" coming to smother our beloved prints...argghhh!

[Wink]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 02, 2012, 12:58 PM:

Agreed! I hate white "flecks" on the screen! I have a low fade print of "Cobweb Hotel" (Fleischer cartoon), and while the color is as good as you could ask for, (better than I have seen elsewhere), the negative they used was TERRIBLY worn!

Meanwhile ...

Have you been able to sell your "Neverending Story?"

By the way, I watched that video you posted and you did a splendid job on it, even incorporating the stereo soundtrack! I really lucked out when I bought my copy of this. When I got it, I found one of those intro's on the beginning which states, "A Scope and Stereo Presentation", which was really neat! It runs about 30 seconds or so and the funny thing is that the stereo on that first clip is much better than on Neverending Story, with very crisp high end to it.

If no one has snapped it up, you ought to grab it folks, it's a great digest!

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on March 02, 2012, 01:08 PM:

Still not sold. I am actually going to send it out to be re-recorded. I noticed that the stereo audio is not all that great on my copy. I have two and so going to have both re-done by vintage Cinemas in LA. They have done great work for me in the past. It's in good hands.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 02, 2012, 01:42 PM:

Hi Adam, I'd like to get my copy re-recorded to stereo. How much does that place charge, do they have the stereo soundtrack for the 600 footer already there and edited? thanks

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on March 02, 2012, 01:50 PM:

They charge $0.71 per running minute. I actually had to edit the track myself. I do video editing for a living so it was no problem. Actually, if you ask me I think its cleaner then the original. Uploading the full think to youtube with new track. Will post soon.

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on March 03, 2012, 06:32 AM:

Hi-

Ok, please forgive me, but I can't hold back any longer,

THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRINT AND A TERRIFIC TRANSFER!!!!!

Whew. Feel better now. Sorry Rob [Wink]

.

James.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on March 03, 2012, 06:36 AM:

LOL! [Smile]

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on March 15, 2012, 06:10 PM:

[ March 28, 2012, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: Adam Deierling ]

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 15, 2012, 06:59 PM:

Adam, both of your vids have been blocked by WB.... better be careful... Also, the 600 footer isn't very rare, and adding stereo doesn't triple its value in my opinion, but I hope you get what you're asking for it....I might sell mine [Big Grin]

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on March 15, 2012, 09:50 PM:

Thanks for the notice. I am working on getting it so you can see. Youtube sucks sometimes lol. Try this link instead.

https://vimeo.com/38613700

[ March 16, 2012, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Adam Deierling ]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 16, 2012, 01:37 PM:

Wow, that's the soundtrack off of the film, your re-recorded one? That sounds absolutely fantastic! Great audio quality! Who did the re-record? Do you still have the sound file from the re-record and if so, could I get a CD copy of it, as I'd love to attempt a re-record of my print with my Chinon 9500, (it records quite well).

OSI

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on March 16, 2012, 01:41 PM:

Id be happy to provide the sound file. I did not do the re-record myself. I had Vintage Cinemas do it and they did an awesome job. All I did was re-edit the audio from the DVD so its crystal clean. I just love it! May do more digests in the future! We will see!

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on March 16, 2012, 06:06 PM:

Adam, is this new post your new track as heard from the re-recorded print, or your audio file dubbed onto the image?

Edit: no, I think the latter as the focus drifts from your original video match the new one.

Don't get me wrong; that is a really nice sync track so far as it goes (1st 8 minutes or so?), although the Derann did seem to have more bass range (based on limited internet audio), but with noticeable "wow".

Of course your master has better high end clarity and thus better stereo definition.

Also, the mixes are smoooth!

The original "wow" may be from the Derann track (although I don't recall it).

Anyway, if you have made a new stereo audio file from a digital source, which matches the 600ft version, I reckon that is worth more on the 8mm "black market" than your print. Ahumm...

Nice job.

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