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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on May 13, 2012, 01:31 PM:

For anyone interested i have just listed on ebay this excellent reel,
Start price is 9.99GBP
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130696150695?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 13, 2012, 02:16 PM:

If this is a UK printing of this title (by I believe, Buck Labs in the UK), this is most certainly worth getting, as they used either Fuji film or Agfa, and both of these film stocks are holding up very well!

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on May 13, 2012, 02:32 PM:

Thanks Osi, that is correct and i have now checked my print, this one does have Bucks Film Laborotories Slough on the Leader.
[Wink]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 13, 2012, 05:23 PM:

Tom I have seen your screen shot. It has good color but expect to see some more to find the other color spectrums.

Osi, how many times I have to say that Fuj will also fade and Buck Lab also have many prints that totaly have faded to red.

So it is only AGFA that will be good for last. But I never knew Walt Disney releases use AGFA, cmiiw.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 13, 2012, 06:32 PM:

Sorry to contradict Winbert,but there is another film stock that
was used for prints,and that was reversal.Also regarding Bucks
Film,I've got a print of "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea"
that is printed on Fuji and the colour is excellent,bought in 1986
for £1.00 brand new from DFS.Compared to the Disney reel,which
I also have,the colour from David Buck seems more dense.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 13, 2012, 08:17 PM:

I understand that reversal Hugh, many (pirate) Italian prints used it. But I never knew commercial prints (mass prints) used reversal stock, because it would be too expensive.

Regarding Bucks Lab, yes I knew some Buck lab prints are still holding color well, but it will be too wrong to say that because it was from Bucks Lab prints then will have good color. I have so many UK prints processed by this lab that also have faded as usual.

ps: and the down side of Bucks prints compared to US prints is the sharpness. I don't know if this applied to all prints or only some, but I had compared between the two labs, although US lab prints were more fade but sharper than UK prints.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on May 14, 2012, 06:27 AM:

Will take another screenshot tonight, i'll try and get the focus better on the camera, [Wink]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 14, 2012, 06:52 AM:

Well apart from pirates,I think Derann could have been the first
because I have some of their ex llibrary hire prints (features) in
std 8mm sound that were printed on reversal,so there shouldn't
be any colour fade there. and these were done in the early '70s. I would have to project the Bucks reel
and the Disney side by side on two identical projectors,which I
can do,to determine any difference in definition,but Bucks Lab
had a very good reputation for their work so we'll have to see.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on May 14, 2012, 01:29 PM:

Second image now added, Hopefully this is much better

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130696150695?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 14, 2012, 01:32 PM:

Yep! Great print as expected!

Winbert should be given a little credit here. I have heard from other collectors that, given the right (wrong) circumstances, Fuji can certainly fade, but I wonder if that is more due to processing than anything else. I also had a fuji film stock print of "Hoppity Goes to Town" (earlier 70'
s Derann print) and that print certainly has a purplish cast ...

... however, as a general rule, Fuji has held up very well, as is also evident from his screenshots!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 14, 2012, 02:55 PM:

Tom, your second picture is better than the previous. I trust your print will sell. Good luck.

quote:
I have some of their ex llibrary hire prints (features) in
std 8mm sound that were printed on reversal

Hugh, I am afraid those prints were made to order (one of a kind print). I could not see a point not to use negative for mass production.

Osi, regarding Bucks Lab, I, in fact, has opened a special thread to warn this so newbies will not be mislead.

Buying film from UK (Bucks Lab) doesn't always mean good color

You can read Gian's statement there:

quote:
I do confirm all prints by Buck Lab are not excellent, though I found lot of them on very good Fuji still holding up very good color (eventually fading in future)

Now about Fuji prints, as Gian also stated it will fade in the future eventually, we now are questioning when is that "future".

I have a theory that Fuji has a shelf time of 30-35 years not to fade. And after that it will start fade.

Most of Fuji stocks were used in 1978-1980 and 30 - 35 years is around these years. To a certain, Kevin F (along time UK member) has reported somewhere that he found all his Disney (printed on Fuji) has faded to purple now.

So anyone can now check their prints if they are still beauty like used to be or fade.

I concur with Kevin that my Fuji stock has now faded. Beware: The fade is sudden, not graduate. So if you see last year was still good, not necessarily now.

My theory says that the shelf time is like shelf life on food or medicine, it has certain period of time that they are just good like the first time, but after the shelf time is passed, it will change dramatically.

Not so good for us the collector, but that is the reality.

cheers

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 14, 2012, 04:30 PM:

Well regarding the Std 8mm col prints on reversal,I can only guess
that Derek had the chance to print direct from a 16mm or 35mm
print to 8mm without the intermediates that he would have had to use if using S/8.The number of prints was usually four in the library,I remember him saying about splitting the film into the
required widths to give him his feature.I have some of Bucks labs
films,and haven't seen any difference just yet.The Fuji problem has
been around on 16mm for sometime,but I haven't encountered it yet.Part of the equation must be climate and/or what are we
putting on the film as a preservative or lubricant.Some of my earliest col film on std 8mm shows no sign of fade,"Jason" is
still great colour,as is "Sinbad" except for the first two parts
which were poor to start with.Just as a query,if some folks are
using WD40 as a lubricant,this stuff is used to ease rusted
parts,surely that has got to be detrimental to sound stripe
which is oxide?

Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on May 14, 2012, 11:47 PM:

Any knowledgeable film collector knows that one should never use WD-40 on motion picture film. The same goes for any silicone containing product. Talk about playing Russian Roulette with a print!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 15, 2012, 12:55 PM:

Quite frankly Winbert ANY film stock will eventually fade, and that includes our precious LPP and AGFA prints, so to say that they are low fade and will not fade is not really true.

We just don't know when they will fade. LPP hasn't faded YET, but what year will be the "magic" year when one pops up with fade. The same can be said for Agfa that, though I do not have a afaded Agfa print, someday they will fade. Perhaps 50 years? 70 years? If so, I will happily have them for many years to come ...

but everything WILL fade eventually.

Therefore, the best thing to do is simply store your films well, in a cool dry place. As I have often stated, I take my Eastman "el-fado" prints and place them in freezer bags with two or three selica gel packs, and keep them in a frost free fridge, and I haven't had a single one fade yet ...

... However, I did do an experiment with two eastman stocks of the same vintage and same stock number (eastman 22), one of which was left in the house at the average 72 degrees and one in the fridge, (the print left out was a film that I really didn't care if it faded) ...

... and sure enough, the eastman 22 that was left out at 72 degrees is certainly losing its color. The Eastman 22 in the fridge is still spot on.

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