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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 19, 2012, 07:58 PM:
 
Will trade both of my grandmothers for a shredded, blood-red standard 8mm print of Psycho . Please don't mind that they're both deceased, accept delivery as is.

So if you happen to stumble over such a print, contact me most discretely, we might even settle for some money!

PS: anyone know, if there's a super 8mm full-feature of said motion picture?
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on November 19, 2012, 09:15 PM:
 
I don't know about now but I'm pretty sure that Super 8 prints were available and may still be. I'd suggest asking CHC if you're willing to pay what would be a substantial sum. Anyone got a S8 print?
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 20, 2012, 02:56 AM:
 
Bit late now I know but the trailer reel was for sale at Blackpool which accompanied the Standard 8mm feature. Used to have the Std 8 feature myself which was excellent.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 20, 2012, 05:18 PM:
 
Substantial price... guess I'll have to trade my aunts and uncles too :-) anyway, I was lucky concerning the trailer on super 8. It'll be in my hands in a couple of hours...
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 20, 2012, 05:45 PM:
 
How come this very famous movie not available on super 8mm. Where is supply and demand theory?
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 20, 2012, 05:50 PM:
 
Wasn't the feature available about 5 years ago as a mute print on super 8? I thought I remembered seeing it in THE REEL IMAGE magazine. Or maybe I'm thinking of VERTIGO...

Bill
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 20, 2012, 07:01 PM:
 
As far as I'm aware it is still possible to get this film through CHC,
although I can't say on price, but I'd think it will be expensive.
I was very fortunate in buying one secondhand in '72/3 in std 8mm that was a direct print from 35mm and is a lovely print fromDerann.
I got a second copy about 15years ago at one of the Blackpool
conventions which I later made a present of to my late friend
Harry Nadler,but that one was from a 16mm source and not as
good as the copy I have now, again a std 8mm Derann print.
It's still possible that there are feature length prints in std8mm
that can be picked up, and far cheaper than a new S/8 feature.
 

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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on November 20, 2012, 07:29 PM:
 
If you can't get hold of the full length feature, the Universal 8 400ft digest makes an excellent second best. Excellent print quality, and very well edited, it really captures the highlights of the film very well. Splice on the Hitchcock promo trailer for a superb 600 ft reel.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 21, 2012, 06:14 AM:
 
I do have a s8 print of it (6*600ft, acetate, sound).
It's a German one.
Still possible to place order to get it via CHC. The only limit: it is possible, now, to get it only striped, with no sound, or in German.
Ciao.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 21, 2012, 01:50 PM:
 
There you are Ronald, Gian has verified it's still possible to get your
film. It shouldn't be too difficult to have it re recorded into the
language of your choice from DVD, as there are plenty of members
on this very forum would do the job for you, if you hadn't the
means to do it yourself.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 21, 2012, 07:40 PM:
 
Thanks guys, you're all very involved, I like that.

I shall try with CHC, I don't mind german at all, and since my new projector is a duoplay, I shall be able to put the english soundtrack on the other track.

I received the trailer today, but I doubt it's an official release. It's packed in plain cardboard, and there's no logo anywhere. Couldn't even find a stock designation on the film itself (at least not on the first few feet). The picture is pretty bad, out of focus, and gruesomly over-contrasted. It's not black AND white. It's either black OR white. Often the picture will darken or lighten for no reason, and there's a whole hair salon (supposedly on the original it was made from). However, it may be a real rarity, as it does NOT contain the phrase "Mr. Hitchcock would like to take you on a tour" at the beginning, it's just the man standing on the motel parking lot.

Nevertheless,I will cherish it :-)

Thanks again to everybody.
 

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Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on November 22, 2012, 02:21 AM:
 
Regarding the relative rareness of the Derann PSYCHO,I believe it was a matter of rights,which mustn't have been very clear from the beginning,and that is the same reason for the even rarer INVISIBLE MAN and INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN full length features,which were withdrawn rather quickly and were never issued in super 8.
Regarding the promo (I wouldn't call it a trailer),it was in public domain and everybody issued it. The quality was not perfect from the beginning,so it varies accordingly. Mine comes from Niles and is a good one.I also have a short "teaser" in std 8,less than one minute long,most probably made for tv, which I don't know where it came from.
 

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Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on November 22, 2012, 02:57 PM:
 
The standard 8 print of Psycho was a good quality graded print and full length. The Invisible man was indeed a great release, but some of the scenes were graded to light behond viewing pleasure. Have run most of the early Derann prints and they all had this problem. At the time we had no video, dvd or Blu ray. Only a few television channels and they closed at a respectable time with the God save the queen. No allnight viewing. There was a few decent feature prints out from Heritage, Mountain and Walton. In there day it worked to some degree. Now I think that we would sooner forget most of these releases unless you are willing to tolerate the shortfalls.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on November 22, 2012, 03:20 PM:
 
I currently have 2 of the Std 8 features but my 'spare' one is a battered ex library print so I can't say it's a desirable item. The quality of both is relatively good but would be significantly softer than the Universal 400' release.

Gian - what's the quality of the S8 feature like?

Two of the extended trailer releases were both from Derann. The first was a bit clipped at the start so maybe from the same source as Ronald's but the second wasn't and was quite a nice print. I'd therefore guess that the second Derann version is the best one to track down.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 22, 2012, 03:55 PM:
 
Can't agree there Colin,I also have "The Invisible Man"together
with the " Ghost of Frankenstein" and both are nicely graded
prints that compare well with the Universal 400's.On some of
the early prints like "Winchester 73" or "Run of the Arrow"
they did tend to have a slight "halo" around a dark outline, that
doesn't happen on the afore mentioned features.The nicest is
the "Psycho" feature which is very fine grained and on careful
consideration put me off buying the S/8 from CHC, as it's as nice
as you'll get.A point no one has mentioned on the 400' edition
is the violin arpeggio's are slightly muted in the final scene and
the print used wasn't too clean.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 23, 2012, 06:31 AM:
 
Whooa, Adrian, Hugh, you were right about the price,about 600 Pounds (must be roughly 1000$) for a mute super 8 print... I suppose it's adequate (if I get it right, it's newly printed, thus in perfect condition). I'll have to admit that 400$+ prints are - for the time being - out of my reach.This is gonna be an expensive hobby...
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 23, 2012, 07:11 AM:
 
Hi Ronald,an idea would be to try for a std 8mm feature which
do turn up,or hang on for a secondhand S/8 which I have never
come across.If you can show 16mm,the feature was for sale a
few months ago,and was cheaper than a new S/8, which to be
honest is ridiculous in cost, plus the expense of redubbing will
be a very expensive print.It would be cheaper to buy one on 16mm and a projector than to get the S/8 print.Funnily enough
the second copy I obtained at Blackpool, I got from a group of
lads from Germany who had a table at the time selling films,
the price was £50.00,the reason I got it was to replace a missing section at the end of a reel of about two minutes in my
own copy and the difference in picture quality is noticable. I do
hope you find one, as they are not as rare as you think.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 24, 2012, 07:05 AM:
 
Yep, I guess I'll keep myself patient for a secondhand print, either std8 or s8. I've never thought about 16mm, I was under the impression that it's much more expensive...
 

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Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on November 24, 2012, 05:41 PM:
 
Today I have read an article about "Psycho" in Deranns "Film for Collector" magazin #38 (from 1997) on page 4 from Derek Simmonds:

"Henderson had a machine that would reduce 35mm straight down to standard 8, so they used the 35mm interneg to produce standard 8 positve prints. In theory, the standard 8 prints would have the same quality as 35mm! If only we had had the GS1200 to screen them on in those far off days-the picture quality would have been as good as, if not better than, today`s Disney prints."

It is very interesting, I am very curious about the print quality of the old Standard 8 prints.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 24, 2012, 06:20 PM:
 
Hi Oemer, how are you? Hope all is fine there.
Guys, don't have any idea about standard 8mm prints; never had any.

Adrian, hi there! The German issue is a very good one.
The master material (a 35mm positive) is the 1984 re-release.
Good contrast, even if slightly dark; full frame as it was originally filmed (but, like other German prints, some sequences are letterboxed for all reasons we know so well about); some missing frames, but nothing that bad.

Posting some screen captures from the print I actually have in my collection. The box is not original, of course: it was made expecially for me (Italian artwork. The title was mantained and not translated. But, as you can notice, it is PSYCO without any 'h').

Hope it will help. Ciao!





 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 24, 2012, 06:20 PM:
 
Hi Oemer,it's one of those prints that I have,and the print is very
good. Derek did print from another source, being 16mm,I did have
one of these copies but passed it on, the print was a lot grainier.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 24, 2012, 06:26 PM:
 
That print looks marvelous, Gian Luca, quite sharp!
 

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Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on November 24, 2012, 06:51 PM:
 
The standard 8 prints were before I started. Went into straight super 8. I always thought that the features were rental only Must say would like a copy. Have 'North By Northwest' feature and 'The Birds' from Universal 8 and 'The 39 Steps' feature from P.M. Films 4x 400ft not too much cut-out. Oh that stocking scene

Need time machine and old fiver's to buy them.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 24, 2012, 06:55 PM:
 
Thanks Ronald .

David, about THE BIRDS did you mean the full feature?
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 24, 2012, 07:11 PM:
 
Yeah, did you mean full feature of "The Birds"? I need to make more money...

Gian Luca, that box for the "Psyco" print looks just as great as the print...
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 24, 2012, 07:15 PM:
 
Thanks once again, Ronald. A very good job indeed.

Asking about THE BIRDS, since I thought the only print available in super 8 of the full feature was the poor Italian bootleg .
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 24, 2012, 07:35 PM:
 
Read a couple of times of poor italian prints now... is that a general thing to be cautious about? Are there a lot of those circulating? Newbie's question...
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 24, 2012, 10:29 PM:
 
Ronald,

There are many good quality Italian prints out there. They sometimes get a bad rap....which is mentioned in this thread.

Doug
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 24, 2012, 11:18 PM:
 
And here is the very title on Ebay:

16mm Feature Film-"PSYCHO"-1960-
 

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on November 25, 2012, 12:40 AM:
 
Winbert-I was just going to suggest that auction for the 16mm print. It is a lot easier trying to get a 16mm print than regular or super 8mm print.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 25, 2012, 09:30 AM:
 
Thanks, Doug.
Larry, I totally agree with you .
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 25, 2012, 12:17 PM:
 
Ah, to buy another projector, it's not yet planned, budgetwise. Also, I find the contrast on that 16 a tad soft, Gian Luca's s8 appeals more to me, although the pictures may not do justice to the 16.

As a newbie, I more and more get the impression that, next to a healthy fascination, you just a bit of patience :-D
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 25, 2012, 12:49 PM:
 

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...about 600 Pounds (must be roughly 1000$) for a mute super 8 print.

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I do love this hobby, but...don't waste your money.

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Mike, somebody's expensive car may be cheap for others

It's so relative...
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 25, 2012, 02:59 PM:
 
Sure is, Winbert.
My opinion is that £600 for a mute Super 8 print of anything is a waste of money. One could buy a 16mm print with sound and a projector to show it on for less.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on November 25, 2012, 04:20 PM:
 
I agree, a print of any film on 16mm has got to be superior to
one on 8mm,to pay these prices for something like the price
asked for "Psycho" makes me think Norman Bates wasn't the only
one needing help.Not only has the print to be paid for,it will have
duties to be paid and a soundtrack to be put on.The print on
ebay has gone for less than $400.00, a decent 16mm projector
can be obtained for less than $100.00, there's no competition.
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on November 25, 2012, 08:16 PM:
 
Na, I've just started with Super 8, gimme a little break on that one I'm not ruling out 16 in the near to middle future, but I want to savor this first... moreover I just happened to get hold of Derann's "Beauty and the Beast", had to sell the grandmothers for that one, and another fine movie is already reserved... there will be Psycho prints (it seems) :-)

However, thanks to everybody involved in this thread, got much good information!
 

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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on January 18, 2013, 11:29 AM:
 
Here is one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Psycho-Feature-Length-Cine-Film-Standard-8-Super-8-16mm-Alfred-Hitchcock-/140906738382?pt=UK_Films_Film_Stock&hash=item20ceb232ce
 

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Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on January 18, 2013, 11:39 AM:
 
I know, I know... thanks Alan...
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on January 18, 2013, 12:26 PM:
 
Theres every chance it could be dodgy,don't like the look of the
odd boxes,strange way to box a film up.
 

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Posted by Baudime Jam (Member # 3509) on February 06, 2013, 05:38 PM:
 
Here is something on ebay
 

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