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Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on June 17, 2013, 08:01 AM:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171058013702?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 17, 2013, 11:37 AM:

I wonder where this one came from????
He's right about the subtitles missing in the Derann prints as this was something i was always baffled about.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on June 17, 2013, 11:38 AM:

Money ... Wish I had some more

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 17, 2013, 01:07 PM:

Same here, VIdar. I have the Derann scope feature, but this is a nice curiosity!

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on June 17, 2013, 06:20 PM:

It is the cineovision print. Colour nowhere as nice as the Derann.
The Derann one is missing the Greedo subtitles because the international negative had no 'burned in' subtitles, and I'm guessing that is what Derann used for their master.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on June 18, 2013, 05:29 AM:

Not cineavison. It isn't an official version, but by all accounts it is pretty good.

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on June 19, 2013, 03:35 AM:

Yeah It's not an 'official' Cineavision print but printed in the Cineavision style of 2.35:1 Pillarbox in the 2.66:1 Super 8mm CinemaScope frame.

Absolutely correct regarding the lack of 'open captions' on the Derann Star Wars Feature it originates from an International Negative 16mm reduction.

Best,
Rick

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on June 20, 2013, 01:06 PM:

It is a nice print, but financially, I cannot keep both the Derann copy and this one...

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on June 20, 2013, 01:58 PM:

OK. here is my prediction for ending price. I say......(drum roll please).....over $2,000.00! Without shipping no less. [Eek!]

PatD

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on June 20, 2013, 02:25 PM:

Like that description Pillerboxed, I do like the old 'Cinevision' format that gave you the correct 35mm frame. The super 8 scope was called 'letterboxed' too narrow and cropped top & bottom.

I did hold off buying some films because they were not in the scope format though. Some transferred to non scope OK, but most were poor.

Lucky to have all three Star Wars films from Derann.

Posted by Oscar Iniesta (Member # 1731) on June 20, 2013, 04:21 PM:

Adam, my best wishes for the auction! But if Pasquale prediction is ok, both, another forum member and myself, will become crazy [Wink]

[ June 21, 2013, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Oscar Iniesta ]

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on June 23, 2013, 08:25 AM:

Ending today!

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 23, 2013, 08:50 AM:

I cant help noticing but collectors who have both prints seem to sell the Cineavison print but keep the Derann print. My only thought is that collectors prefer the better colour on the Derann prints over the subtitles and correct screen ratio of the cineavison print. Just my thoughts.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on June 23, 2013, 11:54 AM:

I had both and having the Cinevesion print was interesting but when compared I feel the Derann Version is sharper, more saturated, and is just a much better print.
But if you don't have the Derann version ANY Star Wars feature is better than nothing. [Smile]

It's hard to describe but when I was watching the Cinevision Print I was always reminded it was Super 8. But when watching the Derann print I felt like I was that kid back in that darkened theater many moons ago.

Posted by James Patton (Member # 3738) on June 23, 2013, 04:08 PM:

$810 final.. The wife said I could bid on it if I went and got her ice cream; she's been cutting down on sweets. She was serious, but not working full time in two years gave me pause.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 23, 2013, 04:14 PM:

What a girl James, she deserves an ice cream parlour of her own
for such a kind gesture, I do think the prices paid for this film
are rather silly.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on June 23, 2013, 04:43 PM:

Please stop with the cineavision references.

Totally wrong.

Just goes to show how a little mis-information goes a long way.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on June 23, 2013, 04:51 PM:

quote:
I do think the prices paid for this film
are rather silly.

Totally agree, Hugh.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on June 23, 2013, 04:54 PM:

It is a pirate.

Not cineavision, nor Derann, nor Blu-ray.

Heck, it is on film.

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on June 23, 2013, 04:57 PM:

I never mentioned anywhere that it was an official "Cinevision" print. Only that it was made in that style...

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on June 23, 2013, 05:05 PM:

To be clear, good news with your sale.

You have been nothing but honest.

Some folks here, however, do get confused with terminology and should be more careful, or at least do their homework.

Nice sale and I'd be most happy to be the new owner! [Smile]

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on June 24, 2013, 04:10 AM:

I wonder who won that print? I would love to get a look at it one day to see if it had any differences to the known prints.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 24, 2013, 02:28 PM:

I won it and I'm happy. [Smile]

Now I have both scope versions. I didn't get this because I thought it was a comparable print to Derann, only because it really IS the 1977 version of the film and not the already altred one, (which, while great, the Derann print was, that is, altered).

By the way, for a "pirated" print, the image quality is quite good. I don't understand the thought about not thinking the Derann print wasn't a "super", I've always had that feeling myself.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 24, 2013, 02:55 PM:

"The Force is strong with this one."

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on June 24, 2013, 03:43 PM:

Do you mean it wasn't like watching Super 8?
That means you need to get an Elmo GS1200 and a Rectimascope Lens, re-record in Stereo and then project at least a 10ft screen. Then you will see what I mean. [Smile]

Even better if you have a Xenon light source. Titanic Super 8 feature looks really stunning as well. I think the Cinevision print I owned looked a little more washed out, not as sharp as the Derann version and had more grain. I screened the entire film and then moved it along and kept the Derann version.

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on June 24, 2013, 03:50 PM:

Osi, I'm interested to know if it has the original mono mag soundtrack, could you check for me?
You can tell from the 'alarm sounds' on the rebel blockade runner at the start of the movie.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 25, 2013, 12:02 PM:

I will be interested about that as well, as perhaps, being the original 1977 release, there might be some differences in audio (different dialogue takes for instance), which means I'll certainly want to keep the original audio, which makes it more of a keepsake.

Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on July 06, 2013, 06:33 PM:

Sorry I missed this, Adam. Would love to have this for next summer's showings. Search continues.

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