8mm Forum: Want to buy or trade for Speed and/or Die Hard 3

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on July 30, 2014, 11:23 PM:

I've got a souped up Beaulieu 708EL projector with 2000 watt xenon lamphouse and I've got a full "cinema dts" system and all of the equipment needed to add timecode to these two titles...and I want to do it even if it ends up mostly being done as proof of concept.

These are the only 2 titles I can do this with, so if there is anyone out there with prints, please do let me know. I have mint copies of Aliens and Toy Story for trade or I will outright purchase the print. Once it's done I'll upload a video to youtube for long term posterity.

Anyone???

bmiller@film-tech.com

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 31, 2014, 03:48 AM:

I very much look forward to the outcome Brad. Sounds fantastic!!
What is the reason why it has to be these two titles only?

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 31, 2014, 08:09 AM:

Probably because Brad has DTS decoded discs for these two titles only...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 31, 2014, 09:28 AM:

Yeah but a DTS soundtrack is readily available for Brads other films on Blu Ray or DVD isn't it, or am I missing something maybe?

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on July 31, 2014, 12:01 PM:

Blu-ray & DVD have compressed tracks. Brad probably has the full DTS discs shown in theaters. I had part of the Die Hard 3 some time ago but sold it.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 31, 2014, 12:12 PM:

Thanks for that Larry, didn't realize that the Blu Ray soundtracks contain compressed audio. They sound fantastic then considering they are compressed.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 31, 2014, 01:33 PM:

I thought DTS Master Audio was raw data and not compressed?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 31, 2014, 02:22 PM:

I must admit Vidar, I was suprised to hear that Blu Ray audio would be compressed, especially given the the amount of data these discs can store.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on July 31, 2014, 03:08 PM:

Compressed or not that doesn't matter. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any sort of consumer home video format. What is required:

A 35mm print with the specific timecode for a given title with no splices or missing frames.

A Super8 print of the same title. Frames CAN be missing from this copy.

The theatrical cinema dts discs for this title.

Those are the only two features released in dts (meaning in theaters...forget this DVD/bluray talk) that I have prints and discs to that I could make this happen. That's why it HAS to be those 2 titles.

Remember, I'm talking real honest to goodness dts as used in cinemas here. NOT the home video formats of the same name. Think of it this way...when there is some kid talking about the "new film I shot", he thinks it is a film, but in reality he shot a video. This is similar. Any form of dts or Dolby Digital sound outside of the 35mm and 70mm world is sort of like calling a video a "film".

I'm looking to add Super8mm to that list for real cinema dts sound even if it is just one movie, just so it can go down in the books as Super8mm officially being able to support cinema dts audio.

By the way here are some pics of a system I built in the 90s to put a 1000 watt xenon lamphouse behind a 16mm projector. I don't have any pictures of my Beaulieu 708 setup, but I assure you it looks absolutely magnificent with the 2000 watt xenon lamphouse behind it. The image is nothing short of stunning. The takeup reel is on a separate box off to the side since the film must exit the projector in front just like on this 16mm Pageant projector. (The external lamphouse is blocking the normal takeup path.)

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 31, 2014, 04:53 PM:

Ok thanks for the detailed explanation Brad. It all makes sense now to me. I would love to see photos of the modified Beaulieu in action if you ever get chance to get any [Smile]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on July 31, 2014, 08:09 PM:

If I ever find a Speed or Die Hard 3 print, I'll put video on youtube of the entire thing running.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 03, 2014, 02:36 PM:

I very much look forward to it Brad. I too would love to find those two prints you mentioned. I have the first Die Hard but not two or three sadly.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 04, 2014, 03:13 AM:

Brad I remember a long-long time ago, you have also told us about the same experiment:

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=next_topic;f=1;t=000192;go=older

Gooosh...it has been 11 years ago...so you are still not able to find the reel? I wish you can get it now and explain the result here.

(ps: I have actually had a wild idea to record the time code vinyl to magnetic track and later play the sound through digital CD with Virtual DJ machine that is now so popular among the DJs)

Posted by Ronald Kwiatkowski (Member # 3349) on August 04, 2014, 05:34 AM:

Ahmmmmm, there was a Die Hard3 on sale in Paris a couple of weeks ago... and I bought it :-) haven't watched it yet, as I'm waiting for modifications on my Elmo GS-1200. I'm just mentioning it, because I might be inclined to trade or sell somewhat later in the year, if you've not been able to get hold of it by then. But I wanna watch it a couple of times first :-) just so you know...

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on August 04, 2014, 06:01 PM:

Thanks Ronald. Let me know the condition after you screen it and if you're interested in selling or trading.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on August 04, 2014, 06:18 PM:

Well, Kudos to Brad for entering all new territory with super 8. An intruiging experiment indeed and definately one for the S8 history books if it works.
As for that 2,000 watt Beaulieu, all I can say is WOW!

Posted by Joel Whybrow (Member # 1377) on August 05, 2014, 03:06 PM:

I imagine it may work, but what about this as an alternative:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Sync-Digital-Sound-to-Your-16mm-Film-Projector/

Should work well with super 8, bit less of a novelty though.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on August 05, 2014, 04:03 PM:

It wouldn't be as graceful as a real cinema dts. With cinema dts, I could literally go backwards and forward, have a film jam and lose part of the print, etc and the dts would continue to dead-track it.

Also unfortunately for the case of other prints, this software can only do 2 channel stereo.

Doing it the way I want to do it would literally be bringing the Super 8 format up to the pro cinema level.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 05, 2014, 07:22 PM:

Excuse my ignorance - I understand the basic principle of DTS and how it syncs to a 35mm print - but what I don't understand here is the exact role of the 35mm print in this particular project, and what will cause the DTS and the Super 8 print to 'connect'? Many thanks for any brief explanation!

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on August 06, 2014, 03:26 AM:

Would the timecode replace the soundtrack on super 8?

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on August 06, 2014, 03:44 AM:

David's got it. Track 2 would be timecode. Track 1 would be mono mag backup.

The 35mm print is to obtain the unique timecode off of.

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on November 26, 2014, 08:23 PM:

Brad I have a copy of speed. I sent you an email.

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