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Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 24, 2013, 03:32 PM:

Not my auction but somebody should grab this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8mm-Film-Projector-/181146361917?pt= UK_Photography_Film_Projectors&hash=item2a2d2a203d

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on May 24, 2013, 03:36 PM:

Would this projector work in the usa? Isn't there a voltage switch inside these?

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 24, 2013, 04:14 PM:

A XENON FOR GBP 250 !!!!!

OMG....!

This is stil available to date and no one take it.

2 projectors are available!.....

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 24, 2013, 04:36 PM:

Yes it has variable voltage and can be used in USA. If I had the money I would grab both of them. I have the GS1200 but it's not the zenon. Even the BIN converted to USA is worth it. Plus if the shipping is added and converted to US$ it is still worth it. They are brand spanking new. This is what collecting is all about. I'll be it's sold in 24hours.

Posted by Barry Fritz (Member # 1865) on May 24, 2013, 08:12 PM:

Shipping may kill you.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 24, 2013, 08:58 PM:

Barry

Even if it cost 100.00 to ship it plus the 500.00 US dollars to buy it, that is still worth the money. This brand new still packed in box. If I had the money I would buy at least one of them. You can't lose of this. it's a win win situation. This has got to be worth 1200.00 to 1400.00.

PatD

I just checked the listing. I can't believe it. Two people bid on it and didn't use the Buy It Now. I guarantee they are going to pay way over the BIN price buy bidding instead of using BIN.

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on May 25, 2013, 02:42 AM:

So does the Seller ship outside UK?
He/She doesn't mention in the auction...

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 25, 2013, 02:52 AM:

Not all of the Xenon/Halogen machines were multi voltage. Some of them were made for 220/240 volt only. I know because I saw a Xenon that was that way. Only for Europe. Also shipping from the UK for that machine which weighs over 50lbs? Very, very, expensive. I had my 66 lb Beaulieu 708 shipped from Sweden..it was almost $800.
And the saddest part for us on this side of the pond? If you look to see where the unit sells to...unless you are in the UK you will not be able to bid. Ebay blocks you.
Here is what you get when you try to bid:

Sorry, this item cannot be sent to United States.

The seller has specified that this item cannot be sent to addresses in United States
You can contact the seller for more information, or find similar items offered by other sellers.

Have fun UK buyers! [Smile]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 25, 2013, 03:29 AM:

Item is in Bristol, UK. And I seem to remember one of us live in Bristol!

Too bad that member is not reading this message.

Last time I know a Xenon machine was sold in the other forum for $2000.

Alan, I think although the machine was 220v, but the transformer inside is multi-voltage. You need just to re-wire it.

In fact, many Elmo machines I found in this north America, although the plate says to be 115v only, but it has multi-voltage selector inside the machine (only the window glass is not present so we think it is mono voltage)

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 25, 2013, 04:10 AM:

Yes I have seen the ones that you can rewire but I spoke to Kevin F a while back when I wanted to purchase a Xenon from the UK. It was new in the box and he told me he had seen it and it was strictly for Europe. Otherwise I would have taken it.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 25, 2013, 05:09 AM:

I live in Bristol and I can assure it's not me that's selling!

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 25, 2013, 05:51 AM:

All you have to do is contact the buyer, get an estimate of shipping for the post office and your good to go if the buyer ok's it. It will not cost 800.00 to ship it. That's way off for an estimate. I can't believe nobody grabbed it yet.

In addition. even if it was 220v only, you can buy a step down transformer and run it here in USA with no problem.

I jus went to Royal Mail website , After converting 50 pounds to grams the cost of shipping in 65BPS. Convert that to USD and it 105.00. Exactly what I original stated. So it is affordable to someone in US. I just wish I had the money.

Update!

The bidding is all ready over the BUY IT NOW price. It is at 255.00 BPS. How stupid can some people be. It could have been bought for 250.00 BPS as a BIN price. Just as I predicted. I also sent a message to the buyer about USA shipping knowing the cost. I will report back when I get an answer.

I just may borrow some money to buy the second one. However, after selling the 1st one I doubt it will be such a great deal.

Patd [Confused]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 25, 2013, 09:50 AM:

$800 was not an estimate for shipping from the UK that was my actual shipping cost from Sweden to the US via Fedex International Economy insured.
I have had machines shipped from the UK many times and It would be great to hear the UK members chime in. I don't know where you got your quote for $105 but that seems impossible. When I put in Royal Mail search for an item going to the US at the lowest rate for a 60 lb item this is the quote I received:

Royal Mail
Service Delivery Compensation Tracking Price
There were no pricing results matching your search criteria

Parcelforce Worldwide
Service Delivery Compensation Tracking Price

globalexpress Guaranteed from 1 day Up to £1000 Tracked £263.39

globalpriority From 3 days Up to £1000 Tracked £209.52

But you are right about one thing...if the machine is truly new it won't be a bargain by the time auction is over.
Additionally if you want to bid you have to get the seller to edit the auction to make it available worldwide and shippable and once you do that its virtually guaranteed that this machine will sell for $$$$.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on May 25, 2013, 11:28 AM:

Sensible to point out the voltage limitations...

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on May 25, 2013, 12:23 PM:

Mabye the reason it wasnt snapped up earlier is because it was too cheap and potential buyers needed time to think. Its a big risk as you dont really know what youre gonna get. There is only one picture and nothing is said about the condition apart from it being 'new' as the seller states. But is it new. Why would a filmaker from a club have a GS1200 Zenon and keep it wrapped up and not use it. Mabye he took great pride in it but you dont know. Does it work fully, again you dont know. Also is there a bulb inside as this may have been removed years ago but the seller wouldnt know if this was standard on all 'new' GS1200's coming out of the Elmo factory. It is clear that the seller knows nothing about GS1200's and wouldnt know it it sounds good when switched on. There is good feedback however. It probably will be a good buy for the winner but its also a bit of buyer beware im afraid.

Graham S

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on May 25, 2013, 12:35 PM:

I agree with Graham. I cannot imagine any film collector, particularly one in a cine club, having a brand new boxed up GS1200 and never using it in 20 or 20 years. No doubt the seller thinks it is new, but as Graham points out , he knows nothing about this machine. It may be fine, or it may not, we all know how GS1200'S can have a slew of issues.
IMO the only way for a collector to purchase a GS1200 is from a known and trusted collector, such as people on this forum, who can inform the buyer exactly what they are getting and can point out any and all issues that the machine may have. Buying a GS on ebay is a crap shoot.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 25, 2013, 12:46 PM:

Was this up at a BIN of £250????
At that price I would've snapped it up.
Despite the possible issues mentioned above, £250 would be worth a gamble on one of these, IMO. The seller seems to be pretty legit.
As someone says above, this will sell for a lot more than £250. Bidding at lower than a BIN price of £250 was a bit silly.

I'm presuming the second one has been sold, as there's just one listing now.

Posted by Jonathan Trevithick (Member # 3066) on May 25, 2013, 05:39 PM:

Yes, very silly that the first bidder didn't do a Buy It Now, seeing the auction's now gone past that original price tag.
I almost did a BIN when both were available but couldn't get the seller to reply to my emails, so didn't go any further.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on May 25, 2013, 05:59 PM:

Im sure the seller would get more for it if they include many more photos, inside and out.

Graham S

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on May 26, 2013, 02:42 AM:

This should be the other auction

Ebay link...

Where the description is exaclty the same but the projector was not Xenon.

It ended with the BIN option...

Anyway, so far no answer to my question if shipping outside UK is possible...

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 26, 2013, 03:50 AM:

I didn't get a response to my message to the seller about shipping to USA either.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on May 26, 2013, 03:55 AM:

Me neither :-( I'd given him 300 + shipping and expenses easily

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 26, 2013, 04:57 AM:

I asked him the same question too and did not get a response.

Posted by John Davis (Member # 1184) on May 26, 2013, 05:12 AM:

The seller has really done himself no favours by the use of one very uninformative picture. Also finishing the auction on a Bank Holiday!
My gut feeling is that this machine would put on at least a further £300 in the last day - but I have no idea how this would be affected by the Bank Holiday end date.
As has been said already this is worth a punt and the guy who bid below the buy-it-now is a prize chump.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 26, 2013, 09:21 AM:

I agree that the picture is poor - he should have at least removed the plastic - but I don't think finishing at 8pm on a Bank Holiday will be detrimental as I'd guess that more people will be monitoring it than on a typical weekday.

I predict the price will go a LOT higher, and the seller will be very grateful to whoever ended the BIN opportunity! The seller has been getting excellent feedback in relation to other projectors from the same source, so I'm inclined to think that it will genuinely be 'like new' even if it possibly needs new belts and a little work.

Posted by John Davis (Member # 1184) on May 26, 2013, 09:34 AM:

I don't tend to take Bank Holiday weekends anymore but I personally would be all over the place bodyclockwise by Monday evening so I tend to avoid listing to finish during these weekends - I'll keep tabs on this, it could be quite edukashional.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 26, 2013, 10:26 AM:

John

is that the British spelling? My wife is from UK and I always tease her about spelling.

PatD

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 26, 2013, 11:16 AM:

If I were you (who has an interest to have a Xenon, which I have not), this is what I am going to do:

1. Change my address to any UK address (find a hotel or public addreess pr even 10 Downing Street.... [Smile]

)

Ps: I did this in 2008 and can be done personally. Later we need to call Ebay and they change ot for us)

2. Arrange a paid courier such as Fedex. You pay in your country, a fedex driver pick up from the address and seller just give it to the driver

Ps: see that the seller is OK with pre-arranged courier. I did this with Barry from Independent 8 and no probs at all. Cost may be around GBP200.

[UPDATE} Ended with 4 times higher than the BIN!!!

I guess the seller was shocked now!

Cheers,

[ May 27, 2013, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 26, 2013, 11:30 AM:

Well, the chance of someone nailing a bargain of sorts has past
when the "Buy it Now" wasn't used.Now it's just another sale
which will end I would think £400.00 mark.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on May 26, 2013, 11:49 AM:

The seller has just updated the page, he was asked to check the xenon by the guy who bought the other gs he had for lamp,and there is no lamp in this machine , so you can add another 200- 300 just for the lamp. That will put off a lot of bidders me thinks .I suspect the guy who had the other machine would have had it for sure at that buy it now price had it got the lamp in it at £250.00 a steal.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 26, 2013, 12:11 PM:

No lamp? How could this be never used new in box without a lamp? I don't think Elmo ever sold a Lampless Xenon option.
This auction is getting stranger and stranger....hmmm...

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 26, 2013, 12:48 PM:

Possibly placed back in it's box for possible future repairs.Who knows,that's the beauty of buying blind.

I notice the last bidder has retracted his bid, was it something I said?

[ May 26, 2013, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Hugh Thompson Scott ]

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on May 26, 2013, 04:28 PM:

Funny how I said previously there might not be a bulb but I didnt think it would be true [Big Grin]

I think many others will retract their bids as even with a new bulb ( costing £250 ??? ) theres still no gurantee it would work, as there could be a heap of problems with it. Everyone here knows what GS1200's can be like. It could still be a bargain or could be a very expensive doorstop!

Graham S

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on May 27, 2013, 02:37 AM:

Owning a Xenon vintage machine is a little more complicated than a plug and play 100 watt model most certainly, and it also shows the pitfalls of buying a complicated machine remotely from someone who is not the owner. [Eek!]

Knowing this came for a Film Society it would have seen plenty of use and missing the lamp has been used for spares for the other machine sold.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on May 27, 2013, 10:15 AM:

Well guy's the xenon finished at £1020 and that's without the lamp and no real knowledge as to it working or not , incredible. Good luck to that person who had the balls to bid blind on it I hope its all good .

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 27, 2013, 10:28 AM:

And to think it could have been had for 250.00.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on May 27, 2013, 10:37 AM:

Wow only £250 I missed that one. [Frown]

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 27, 2013, 10:53 AM:

Yah Dave you were asleep at the wheel. I posted it hoping someone on the other side of the pond would grab it. The buy it now was 250.00 bps. I can't believe that somebody bid on it instead of using the BIN. What were they thinking? On second thought , they weren't thinking. [Eek!]

PatD

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 27, 2013, 12:25 PM:

I only hope it works for the buyer,fingers crossed it's working.

Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on May 27, 2013, 01:37 PM:

Sold for just over £1000 but the lamp is missing!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 27, 2013, 08:56 PM:

I see my prediction was right! Although there's some risk in buying it, I still don't think it's an enormous price for an unused Xenon. I don't suppose the winning bidder knows there was a BIN opportunity. The person who scuppered this, despite being an experienced eBayer, was seriously mixed up, as he put in bids of up to £255 before anyone else bid!

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on May 27, 2013, 10:04 PM:

Just to confirm that finally the Seller answered to my two questions if shipping outside Uk were possible and he answered NO!

So the winner should be in UK and possibly close to Bristol, to arrange the pick up the projector by himself...

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on May 29, 2013, 09:47 AM:

just checked the feedback for the seller of the xenon gs on Monday , he,s been very busy selling other items and in particular a reel to reel tape machine went for £31.00 .I was curious as to what the model was , so I had a look ,and there in the back ground is the box for the xenon gs 1200 , its looked to be unused just like it had just been delivered .I can only assume then if the original owner was a member of the Bristol cine club for 60 years this gs didn't go with him and the gs inside was indeed as new as stated . I know this does not explain the missing lamp but the buyer may well have had a good buy.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 29, 2013, 11:15 AM:

The most surprising that might happen that the bulb can be actually inside the box uninstalled. Who knows!

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 29, 2013, 11:31 AM:

Good point Winbert,I just hope it's okay for the chap that bought it
although the seller seems to be very honest.

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