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Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 12:32 AM:

I have a equipment that I wanted to trade for films. I’m looking for features, Derann prints, Derann Disney, cartoons, cutdowns, western, sci-fi, certain Blackhawk releases, and more.

Living in Japan, there aren’t too many films I can buy here that I’m interested in. So if anyone has any films that they want to trade that are not faded prints and in good condition, let me know.

Elmo GS-1200 Xenon Optical (Japan 100V,25-50 1.4 lens, it will only reproduce sound for optical films)

Elmo GS-1200 (Japan 100V, 1.1 lens)

Kowa 8Z Anamorphic Lens

Elmoscope II Anamorphic Lens SOLD

Kowa Prominar Anamorphic-8 2X Lens(anamorphic lens for shooting on 8mm, rear barrel is less than 26mm in width)

Elmo Tape Sound FP(synchronizes projector and reel to reel tape)

Elmo Synchro Sound SA-1 (for Stereo Tape Recorder)

Hahnel Kollmatic SD8 film cement splicer

Send me a PM letting me know what you are interested in and what you can offer to trade for it.

All equipment would be shipped from Japan.

[ July 13, 2016, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: Jason Smith ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 28, 2016, 05:52 AM:

Jason, let me know if you ever stumble upon a SH 30 in full working condition with a F1.0 lens.Preferably with a universal voltage selector.

I would be very interested in buying it if we could come up with a deal.

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 07:46 AM:

Andrew, I'll keep my eye out for one.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 08:08 AM:

Hey Jason,

I suggest you pop the backs off the projectors and see if there are options for other line voltages. There probably are and this would make the machines more attractive to the rest of the world.

If getting films shipped to Japan are a problem for you, I wouldn't mind you having them sent here so you could grab them next time you come to CineSea. I could check them out for you other than the fact I don't have optical sound and so far no 16mm either.

(-and if it's a really, really great film, I may need to check it out...twice, just to be sure!)

Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on May 28, 2016, 08:14 AM:

Gosh, a Xenon 1200 that only has optical sound reproduction. Guess these were for the in-flight market? Wonder if you retrofit the neccesary parts from a non-xenon to add mag sound?

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 08:34 AM:

(You meant to say parts from a mag sound GS of course.)

You could run into funky things like the parts populated on the sound board. Elmo may have chosen to depopulate the parts associated with the mag sound pre-amp in this machine.

-on the other hand it may have worked out cheaper to have the same sound board for all of the GSs and the difference would be the optical only has a couple of jumpers shorting out the mag sound input.

-then there's the heads of course, a switch, possibly the panel the switch sits in, wiring, etc., etc., blah blah blah...

This machine has the auditorium lens.

-nice!

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on May 28, 2016, 08:44 AM:

Jason, would you be motivated to put the playback-only Elmo xenon on eBay UK? I would certainly be a bidder! I would be interested in it as a spares machine for my GS xenon. Is it marked as a 'P' Xenon on the cover? Pictures would be great. I would be a cash buyer, I don't have any films for trade.

I imagine it might be worth 130,000 yen, or around £800 sterling for a start price, or maybe more...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 28, 2016, 09:41 AM:

Thanks Jason.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 28, 2016, 09:49 AM:

quote:
Guess these were for the in-flight market?

No, Stuart, in-Flight entertainment was using cartridge projectors. There was a picture of this type of projector somewhere in this forum (showing a stewardess uploading the cart).

Steven J. Kirk, I expeced you were aware that the GS1200 Xenon was an optical projector ONLY.

Cheers,

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 10:31 AM:

-not always.

Doug's GS Xenon is magnetic and optical.

Optical sound was very popular in Japan, and that probably explains this machine.

Actually, an optical only GS could be a very different beast. It really shouldn't be stereo capable unless they had stereo optical prints in Japan.

-and if they did, that means it would have two single output channel optical pre-amps instead of one dual output channel.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on May 28, 2016, 04:51 PM:

There is a P xenon that is mag stereo and mono optical

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/roberto967/images/GS-1200-HTI-XENON.HTM

but I think this is just a bare bones optical and I believe the xenon is 'high' light only, no 'low' setting. But I may be wrong I am remembering from somewhere back in that haze of the past...

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 05:59 PM:

Thank you all for the responses.

Steve, thanks for your offer. I may take you up on it. I've seen quite a few films for sell in the US/UK that I wanted to purchase but shipping kills the deal every time. I think there would be a possibility of changing the line voltage...but I don't see any type of rotary switch like on other machines. As you stated earlier, optical was very big in Japan. Every digest and feature has been optical. Although sometimes, they're were a few companies in Japan that offered digests in optical and magnetic.

Steven, I believe the GS-1200P does have a high and low setting. If you look at the first picture of the link you sent, you can barely see a high/low lamp switch on the Xenon power supply at the bottom of the machine

I know a GS-1200 Optical is a machine that not many people have been able to see, so I wanted to share the very little I know about this machine with pictures.

I've never seen a GS-1200 with all of its original packaging but this one has it. It even has the cardboard insert that goes under the handle.

With no magnetic playback and no recording capabilities, I always feel like somethings missing from the machine. It only has one job...to play back optical 8mm films.

I've heard a lot of speculation as for how many GS-1200s were ever made but this was in regards to non-Xenon GS 1200s and did not take into account the GS-1200s made for the Japanese market . I've found that GS-1200s in Japan have a different serial numbers. The serial number of this Xenon is 552143. The first two numbers signifies its a Xenon machine. I've seen other GS-1200P Xenon's and GS-1200 Xenon's here in Japan that share these first two numbers. This leads me to believe that the 55 number was only for Japanese GS-1200 Xenon(correct me if I"m wrong). That would make this the 2,143 Xenon machine made in Japan. This is the largest Xenon serial number that I've seen here in Japan. I have several reasons to believe this may be one off the last Xenon's ever made.

The film path

With no magnetic playback and no recording, there are a few things missing here.

After popping up the top, one of the first things about this machine that surprised me was how clean it was inside. I've seen quite a few machines that have a lot of dust in them but this machine is pristine. In the picture below, the electronic governor motor for the film transport has a date of January 13, 1989. [Confused]

Does that mean this machine was made post 1989? How long did Elmo continue producing GS-1200s? The plot thickens.

In this picture, you can see the take up motor. When I first saw it, I thought that something looked a little different. I"ve seen the innards of quite a few GS-1200 but never with this type of motor. Usually, I"ve seen copper colored motors with a manufacturing date, but not one quite like this. This is another reason why I believe this machine is a very late model.

I would post more pictures but I just found out there's a forum limit of 8 pictures per post.
If there is no interest in trading it for films, then I may eventually put it up on Ebay. I will let you all know.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 06:34 PM:

Notice that single VU meter: it's looking like a monaural GS-1200!

I'm curious if there are one or two external speaker jacks and I'd love to see a shot of the rear panel.

An old friend in the UK and I used to use each other's addresses for E-bay buys. Between the two of us we busted the "domestic only" sales barrier many times!

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 06:43 PM:

Steve, here's a picture of the back side panel.

This is a picture of the back panel. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on May 28, 2016, 06:45 PM:

It looks to be in exceptional condition. Presumably it has a Toshiba lamp and maybe the metal xenon reflector. It could also be used for silent films of course. Assuming it does all work and the lamp is good and with all the original packaging, as a curiosity it is appealing...

If it goes on eBay UK I will certainly bid. Thanks for the pictures, Jason. Very interesting.

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 07:11 PM:

Steven, It does have the Toshiba lamp and the metal xenon reflector. It would be a shame to make it just a parts machine but as an optical machine, it would probably see very little use outside of Japan. Using it as a silent machine, is a great idea. [Smile]

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 07:59 PM:

Years ago somebody here saw a version of ST-180 made for playing R8 silent.

-this machine is funky to just about the same level!

It's a GS Xenon gone simple: a contradiction in terms.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 28, 2016, 09:17 PM:

I have a GS1200 Xenon from Japan and it works fine here in the US. I think the difference from 100v-110v was factored into the transformer as it doesn't have additional taps and the US version also is designed with no additional taps so its most likely the same transformer used in both models. Mine runs like new!

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 28, 2016, 09:49 PM:

Well,

The Xenon power supply is probably regulated, and so is the motor drive, so the end voltage stays the same.

The voltages on the sound circuitry will come up a little, hopefully this fits into the slop built into Elmo's design.

On the other hand if it was a halogen machine the lamp wattage would go up over 30% between 100V and 115V because it's direct power from the transformer, so the bulbs wouldn't last very long.

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 28, 2016, 11:18 PM:

Alan, thanks for sharing that. I think that helps explain the transformer. My GS-1200 Xenon Optical has 125V 10 amp transformer.
Steven, my halogen GS-1200 has a 125V 5 amp transformer.

Here's a picture of the Xenon Optical transformer in my machine.

If I understand this correctly, since it seems that all Japanese model GS-1200s have a 125V transformer, even though on the back panel its marked 100V it will work without a stepup transformer in the USA correct?

I wonder if all of the GS-1200s made for the USA market have the same 125V transformer.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 29, 2016, 03:52 AM:

Optical films are not that rare. A French company, Les Grands Films Classique, released black and white optical films which are still in good condition (the Airlines colour prints tend sometimes to loose their colours). I completely agree that it would be a shame to use this projector that seems to be in mint condition for spares.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 29, 2016, 05:31 AM:

A 125V transformer is perfect for our line voltage, it's more 100V that becomes a problem, especially on a halogen machine.

Let's say the lamp is getting the full 24V at 115 in. At 100 you would get about 20.9V on the lamp. Where it hurts is power goes up and down with the square of the voltage and (20.9/24)^2*200W is 152 Watts.

Congratulations: just by moving to Japan you've turned your GS-1200 into an ST-1200! (...at least lamp wise!) [Wink]

(I've worked with many Japanese technical people, and I don't see them letting something like this slide!)

So the halogen GSs probably have a tap on the transformer if they are for either North America or Japan. Since the Xenon machine has a power supply for the lamp, that probably regulates away the difference.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 29, 2016, 07:19 AM:

I had a GS-800 from Japan that was set up for 100V. Everytime I put a bulb in it would blow immediately. Then I noticed the 2nd tap and when I put the wire on the 2nd tap the machine was set for 110 and it worked perfectly.
So the theory on the Xenon power supply USA vs. Japan sounds correct. My GS runs without a convertor.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 29, 2016, 01:51 PM:

The only way to know which voltage you have is to measure it. Until we changed to 220 volts in the 50's, we called it 110 volts but it was in reality 117 volts, the 110 appellation was kept as it was the voltage before the WWII. We still say "220 volts" but the voltage is in reality in many European countries 230 volts but can go to 240 volts (in the same country, you can have 230 or 240 volts).

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 29, 2016, 04:40 PM:

All of these numbers are really just names people give to their local systems. The real voltage moves all over the place depending on the load and what the power companies do to try to fight back.

I made a real mess out of a test in high school because all the questions were based on 120V and my brain automatically went for 115. Fortunately the teacher sat me down the next day, pointed out the goof and let me fix it!

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 30, 2016, 05:12 AM:

Alan, I'm curious if that tap you that you switched it to was labelled "P2"? Any chance you could check?

I have an Elmo ST-180(made for the Japanese market) with a 125V transformer inside of it and I noticed P1 and P2 connectors on the transformer. I think the P2 is for Japan and P1 is for the USA.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 30, 2016, 05:56 AM:

Jason, I was wondering the same thing. My Elmo GS 800 (originally designed for the Japanese market) is set on P1. Does that mean the machine works on 110 volts and not 100 volts as I thought ?

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 30, 2016, 07:02 AM:

Dominique, here's something I just posted to another thread where someone was asking about transformers in ELmos.

I just popped off the back of my Elmo ST-180 MO that was made for the Japanese market. It has a 125V 3A transformer in it.

After reading this older post(which I linked below), I'm curious if I could just change the cable from p1 to p2 like the post below.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008772

This picture is of my ST-180 transformer. My ST-180 has a P1 and P2 connector on the board just like the Japanese ST-800 that's pictured in the link above.

Does anyone who have a USA model elmo ST-180? If so could you confirm that on their transformer there is a connector on the board going to P2 and not P1?

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 30, 2016, 09:37 AM:

My GS800 was set to P2 and it worked great. P1 was outputting 15.4 volts to the bulb socket and P2 was outputting 14 volts (without bulb installed). Not quite 12 but low enough that it wasn't blowing any bulbs. I watched many features on it and the bulb is still going strong.
When I received the machine it was set on P1.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 30, 2016, 09:50 AM:

So, P1 is 100 volts and P2 about 110 volts ? Is that correct ?

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 30, 2016, 03:11 PM:

Yes that sounds about right.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 30, 2016, 03:16 PM:

Thank you, Alan. I should switch to P2 then as with my transfo I think I get more 110 volts than 100.

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on May 30, 2016, 06:06 PM:

Dominique, please tell us later how your GS-800 works on P2. How have you been able to use your GS-800 until now? Did you use a stepdown transformer?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 30, 2016, 06:48 PM:

Yes, Jason,I didn't know the right name but after looking on the net, it seems it is what I'm using. This stepdown transformer has not 100 volts capacity but a 110 volts one. So what I did so far (following the advise of the electrician who sold me the machine long time ago) was to put the side that goes in the plug on 240 volts instead of 220. So in theory, I get 100 volts instead of 110. But with the change in the voltage (I have between 235 and 240 at home), I get now something closer than 110 rather than 100. So if I can change the setting of the projector, that will be perfect for my situation. I will try this this week.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 31, 2016, 07:59 AM:

Due to a strike in Belgium, my school closed for the afternoon (due to a lack of students, public transport being "perturbed"), so I could make the test earlier than expected. I changed from P1 postion to P2 and the bulb gives less light so it is probably safer now (I will not set back to 100 volts unless I find a proper stepdown transformer) . As there is a 1.1 lens on the projector, the loss in brightness is not a problem for me (especially for home projections). I still have (on other machines) two 1.0 lenses so if needed I can upgrade for some occasions. Hope it helps, Jason and works for you, too if you try.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on June 01, 2016, 09:14 PM:

Is the Elmo O Xenon going up for sale on eBay?

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on June 02, 2016, 01:05 AM:

Steven,

I think I will put it up on Ebay but that may not be until July. I need to run a few tests on it to make sure everything is working and take some higher quality photos with a non-camera phone.

I will probably another separate post here on the forum about it with pictures before I put it on Ebay.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on June 02, 2016, 08:15 AM:

Thanks! I look forward to it.

Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on July 13, 2016, 07:21 AM:

Thank you for your fast and friendly service Jason during our recent trade - I am delighted with the lens which arrived today in excellent condition.

Kevin

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 13, 2016, 12:47 PM:

Same here Jason! [Smile]

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on July 14, 2016, 02:03 AM:

Thanks for the feedback! For anyone interested in any of the remaining items, I will create separate threads for them on this forum and include pictures.

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