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Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 07, 2017, 04:13 PM:

Hello,

Few days ago I have bought Eumig 824 off ebay in very good condition. Unfortunately it didn't came with Super 8 sprockets and gate (regular 8 only). I already checked eBay for those with no success.

Any advice where I can find those parts?

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 08, 2017, 12:01 PM:

Hi Marek...It appears I just bought a Eumig 824 with the opposite problem than yours. It has the Super 8 gate...but not the Standard 8. We are in a dilema [Frown]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 08, 2017, 03:48 PM:

Bolex in Switzerland has Eumig spares but I have no idea if they have theose specific ones and, more than that, they sells them at gold prices. http://www.bolex.ch/NEW/index.php

Posted by John Capazzo (Member # 157) on May 08, 2017, 04:59 PM:

And I need the standard 8mm sprockets for the 824! I have both sets of pads.

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 08, 2017, 05:08 PM:

Standard 8 sprockets are pernamently attached to projector and should be revealed once you detached your Super 8 sprockets.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 08, 2017, 06:04 PM:

True Marek...but you still need to replace the Super 8 gate with the standard 8.

I haven't gotten my projector yet Marek to see what is and is not missing....But if you don't care about Standard 8 and I don't care about Super 8...then maybe we can make a trade [Smile]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on May 08, 2017, 10:42 PM:

A marriage made in heaven Janice! [Big Grin]

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 08, 2017, 10:57 PM:

Kismet!

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 09, 2017, 06:01 AM:

Actually I care for both.
I have found a 824 on eBay in Austria that is seemingly broken (not sure what is wrong though as my German is schlecht):
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222497839840
I wonder if we can scavenge this one for parts.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 09, 2017, 09:55 AM:

Here is what Google translated [Smile]

quote:
Eumig 824 Super 8 Filmprojektor

Defective to hobbyist - defective to handicraft

There is no reliable data on the existing damage - the worst of the worst

The article can have missing parts - the pictures show the orig. Article and scope of delivery

It actually is in better physical condition than the one I bought [Smile]

But the "worst of the worst" is pretty funny, but not encouraging [Confused]

The big question is does it have the gates and sockets we need. Perhaps you can ask the seller Marek... Worth a try [Big Grin]

ALSO...I just got notice that my projector has been shipped. I should have it in 3-4 days.

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 09, 2017, 11:30 AM:

Already asked for sprockets and gates. Haven't receive answer yet.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 10, 2017, 02:44 AM:

Judging by the other items for sale it appears that this German seller knows nothing about film projectors. Therefore, any answer from him may not be definitive.
Anyone bidding on this auction is taking a big risk that all necessary parts are indeed included with the Eumig.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 10, 2017, 09:07 AM:

Perhaps the seller would be willing to take a picture of where the gates and sprockets are stored in the projector?

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 11, 2017, 06:43 PM:

I received my Eumig 824 projector today. It was in much better cosmetic shape than I expected. However.. there's good news and bad news. The good news is that my gamble paid off and the seller was mistaken. It does have both S8 and R8 gates and sprockets. So I'm good to go in that respect. The bad news is that the sound volume is very low and continually fluctuates up and down. For this issue I'll open another thread to discuss.

I wish you the best of luck Marek. Hopefully you'll find the parts you need.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 12, 2017, 05:10 AM:

Good news, Janice. I am sure with your expertise that you'll soon get the sound going.
Might only be dirty contacts somewhere or perhaps the sound heads need a good clean.

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 13, 2017, 06:40 PM:

D...m. Somebody outbid me. :-(

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 13, 2017, 08:02 PM:

Bummer Marek [Frown]

....I'll keep my eyes open in case I spot a donor machine here [Smile]

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 15, 2017, 04:59 PM:

Found this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132191634617?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Not sure which model those fit tough:-(

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 15, 2017, 06:52 PM:

Marek...I doesn't look like any are for the 824 unfortunately.

Here's what the Super 8 Gate and Sprockets look like:

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 17, 2017, 07:56 AM:

Ah. You are teasing me with these ;-)

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 17, 2017, 10:06 AM:

Marek
Unfortunately, the items you have found are not suitable for the Eumig 824. They are for earlier models.
Janice has shown a photo of the correct parts for the 824 to run Super 8.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 17, 2017, 12:39 PM:

What happens if you use the standard gate for super 8 ? Will that just mean a smaller picture or is it impossible for the film to pass through the gate ?

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 17, 2017, 01:13 PM:

I tried that Dominique ... [Smile]

The film wouldn't even enter the gate.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 17, 2017, 01:43 PM:

Thank you for your answer, Janice. I suspected something like that since the sprokets are shifted. I wonder why people didn't let the part of the gate they were not using at the place that was designed to stock it.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 17, 2017, 02:18 PM:

On earlier 800 series Eumigs there were places to store the unwanted change-over parts.
The sprockets and the top spool adapter live in the side cover on special pins. The gate assembly lives in a slot above the lamp.
The above often means that a second-hand projector comes complete with all necessary parts.
But the 824 has done away with such fixings. Although the spare gate lives in the side cover, the sprocket teeth rings and the spool adapter do not. They live on a small panel which can easily get lost if the owner does not do as Eumig suggest, and that is to stick the panel somewhere on the projector.
I am lucky that my 824 is still complete in its original box with the polystyrene pieces top and bottom. There is a small space for this panel to be stored. This way it cannot get lost.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 17, 2017, 04:24 PM:

Yes Maurice...storing the gate isn't a problem...it's the sprockets. Mine did not come with the detached holder for the sprockets so I'm currently storing them in a small plastic container along with the Super 8 reel adapter. Unless you have all the original storage accessories like the box and the plastic storage plate..it's easy for the sprockets to get separated from the projector and lost. [Frown]

Posted by Jason Moffatt (Member # 4416) on May 20, 2017, 11:18 AM:

I have an 807D and an 810D, the 810 comes with two sets of sprockets and two sets of gates where as the 807 comes with one set for super 8 only with the standard 8 ones being fixed to the machine.Also the super 8 gate and sprockets of the 807 look identical to the ones in the photo of the 824 ones.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 20, 2017, 12:20 PM:

Hi Jason...I also have a 810D...and as you know Eumig nicely created storage for the unused gate and sprockets. When they added the counter mechanism there wasn't anymore room for storing these items [Frown]

The sprockets may look the same, but unfortunately they are not.

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 22, 2017, 03:53 AM:

Thanks Jason for this information. That is very useful as 807 are much more popular than 824 :-)

Posted by Jason Moffatt (Member # 4416) on May 22, 2017, 11:28 AM:

Yes, the gate looks identical but i cant tell if the sprockets are the same as the 824 picture is only of the top of them.If they do fit it should be far easier to find a cheap non working 807 than an 824 for the parts.Heres pictures of my 807 ones, compare them to janices picture of the 824 ones.

[IMG]http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af286/electric-banana_photos/IMG_1564_zps ebmkz28j.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af286/electric-banana_photos/IMG_1569_zps rgo9gdsh.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 22, 2017, 01:39 PM:

Sure enough Jason... the 807 sprockets and gate do look identical to the 824 [Cool]

This is encouraging Merek. [Smile]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 22, 2017, 02:05 PM:

Sorry Janice
No, they are not. I had a Eumig 807D for many years and the sprockets are fully complete and not part pieces like the 824 has.
The whole sprocket come off for the change of gauge. The alternate sprockets live in the side panel.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on May 22, 2017, 06:21 PM:

Drats! [Mad]

From Jason's pictures...just visually they look identical. What a shame [Frown]

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on May 23, 2017, 05:07 AM:

Bummer

Posted by Gary Baker (Member # 5862) on June 19, 2017, 05:42 PM:

Hi Marek,

Just read through this thread and I have the parts you need. I added an 824 to my (growing!) collection of projectors recently and I bought it specifically as a dedicated standard 8 sound machine.

I've already benefited from the good will and knowledge on this board and will happily donate the sprockets and gate to you as I'm hoping to have no use for them. I see you're here in the UK so PM me your address if you're still looking for these parts and I'll pop them in the post.

Gary

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on June 20, 2017, 02:06 PM:

Yay! Marek! Let us know if you are able to work something out with Gary. [Smile]

Posted by Marek Niedzwiedzki (Member # 5898) on June 23, 2017, 12:15 PM:

Hello,

Just received parts from Gary.
Using new gate and sprockets I have loaded my projector with super 8 film. It was Once Upon a Time. My kids are occupying projector now :-)

Thanks a lot Gary you made my day today :-D

Best regards.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on June 23, 2017, 12:54 PM:

[Smile]

Posted by Gary Baker (Member # 5862) on June 23, 2017, 04:55 PM:

Glad to help. And glad the kids are into it. My daughter's reaction to me projecting an old black and white film recently was, 'Do you have to imagine the colour?' [Smile]

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