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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 14, 2013, 04:21 PM:

A Brief history on our print, in the early 80s we received a phone call to say that Plymouths super 8 library was selling everything, we jumped in the car and quickly purchased three films, The Wild Geese 3 x 400 ft, Where Eagles Dare 3 x 400ft and of Corse Hannie Caulder 4 x 400ft flat. All for £20 each, yes £20 each. Home we went and with a gamble on there condition we cleaned all the films with 222. How lucky were were, whilst all the films did have some scratching the prints themselves were all “A” for quality in all departments and the more we cleaned them the better they got.

Hannie Caulder was released by Walton Films and in several versions, Shots of Vengeance and The Brutal Brothers were both 200ft extracts available in colour and b/w sound and silent and of course the 4 x 400ft feature reviewed here. And in Walton’s later years they also released the feature in scope which we are still keeping an eye out for today to replace our flat version.
The plot is very simple; Hannie Caulder (Raquel Welch) is a frontier wife whose husband is murdered by the Clemens brothers, a trio of inept outlaw brothers (played by Ernest Borgnine, Strother Martin, and Jack Elam).
After a disastrous bank raid, the Clemens Brothers Shoot dead Jim Caulder, rape his wife Hannie Caulder, burn down her house, and leave her for dead. They go on a crime spree, while Hannie Caulder recruits professional bounty hunter Thomas Price (Robert Culp) to help her seek revenge by training her to use a gun. It’s that simple but this is a unique western in that it is British made & although set in America and Mexico the film was shot in Spain around Almeria. The film also has many well known faces including Christopher Lee, (the gunsmith), Diana Dors as a prostitute and Stephen Boyd, (a preacher type character) who doesn’t actually speak a word and is un-credited. The one thing that stands out in this movie is the rape scene, quite vicious for so many famous names to put there work to this and all three Clements Brothers are quite rough and rugged and quite violent in this sequence, yet in all the rest of the film before and after the rape they are all seen as bungling comedic characters.
Our super 8 copy was taken out tonight after being kept in the dark for 7 years, we gave it a clean up but did fear that fade would be setting in, however, we were absolutely stunned at how good the print still is, not a single hint of fade and all the colours are excellent still with pin sharp focus and excellent sound throughout, Although there are a few marks here and there we have certainly seen much worse and at £20 it was a give away, even for the early 80s. One thing i will say on this print, it does not have a balance track, i know Walton did remove this track for a while on several films with reports that it interferred with the focus and aslo some poor recordings. It was done in order to save money but i have to say on this print it hasnt made any differnce as the image is fine with corner to corner pin sharp image and excellnt sound.

I think Quinton Tarantino would have done far better to have re-made this one, all the violence is already there but 70s style, and it does have everything a good western requires, a bank raid, bloody shoot outs, pursuits on horseback, a sexy leading lady and sweet revenge. & on the super 8 big screen it’s at its best, if you haven’t got this one in your collection then start looking at the lists, (when they appear). [Wink]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on January 14, 2013, 04:43 PM:

Very good review Tom, and nice to hear you got some bargains.
I hope Tarantino doesn't take you up on the remake offer,the
film has become a cult classic,much like the original "DJANGO".
Some films just don't need remade,and where would you find the
glamour of Raquel Welch, not to mention the supporting cast,
the film stands alone and is timeless.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on January 15, 2013, 04:04 AM:

Tom, Was the library Loony Loony Movies? Run by Roger Lilly. I seem to think he was once based there. No think that was Lizard area. Movieland would be the one.

Hannie Caulder is in my collection 4x400ft in scope, not sure if I bought this new at the time. Quite good for the time, but again spoiled by Walton's scissors. Fairly violent, but very enjoyable. The trailer was also available from Walton on 200ft with 2 other trailers.

Tag line "A Woman Alone In A Man's World"

Anyone got the German dvd release? IMDB says its got the super 8 version on.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 15, 2013, 07:00 AM:

Hugh your dead right on this, it needs to left alone,oddley enough i never see it run on any of the TV channels either.
Dave, at the time the company went under it wasnt under Roger Lily, he had sold it before hand to this guy Brian something,he traded from a shop on Mutley plain in Plymouth and eventually moved to a tiny place in King street near the city centre where it all went badley wrong for him,i cant remember the surname though, after the event i caught up with Roger who had a cine shop in Barras Street in Liskeard and he told me that those films should never had been sold to the public, a few years further on Roger returned to Plymouth and traded under several names, Looney Movie co, Movieland international to name a few, however, he was a clever buisness man and his main job was indeed as a lecturer at the local college teaching buisness (& i think law).A great bloke though and we had many happy times visiting his home of and afternoon or evening to go through his latest collection purchase before he listed them on his sales lists. About 25% of our collection came from Rogers company ,he was always happy to help and in fact i purchased my full feature of the fog in scope from him for just £80. I wonder what it would fetch now? [Wink]

(i couldnt sell it though, certainly not yet)

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on January 16, 2013, 10:30 AM:

He put some good films out on 8mm too Tom,including "In Which
We Serve",which is a stunning B/W print and "Riddle of the Sands"
in 'scope.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 16, 2013, 02:31 PM:

He did indeed, i remember Roger telling me that his ambition was to ensure he released his own titles and he did.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on January 16, 2013, 03:48 PM:

Riddle Of The Sands was a good release which I bought from him. A film that works far better on the scope screen than tv. My dvd is window boxed.

Movieland's catalogue is on my website The Reel Image 8 pages I think. The last Walton catalogue #29 is there too.

Going to dig my prints out to watch them.

Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on June 18, 2015, 03:09 PM:

Hi Guys,

I've got a copy of Hannie Caulder 4x400ft in scope and the sound and colour are very good. Raquel Welch makes a very good heroine but the other cast really make it - Robert Culp as the gunslinger who teaches her how to handle a gun. The 3 great villainous Clemens brothers - namely Jack Elam, Strother Martin and the brilliant Ernest Borgnine and we can't forget our own Diana Dors and Christopher Lee in his only western.
A cracking movie - with plenty of claret spilt !!!

Dave

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 18, 2015, 04:38 PM:

David im jealous, im still looking for a good colour scope print.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 19, 2015, 12:33 PM:

OMG OMG OMG!!!! I LOVE that photo!

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 30, 2017, 01:31 PM:

After all these years we have finally found a full uncut feature on 16mm, (thanks to fellow collector pointing it out to me), the copy was from Phil at CHC and my goodness what a print. This is an early 70s movie so i asked Phil, "is there much fade"? His reply was "no, in fact its much better than the Walton prints".
Well, i gave it a good clean, not that it needed much cleaning, and i was very happily surprised to see a stunning colour print, masked for widescreen with excellent sound and pin sharp image. I must add that these images are nowhere near as good as you see it on the screen.
Above all, this is a full theatrical version with the AA certificate at the start and is of course the full uncut movie and not the abridged version as per Walton's release.

Posted by Robert Crewdson (Member # 3790) on December 30, 2017, 05:04 PM:

Well done Tom; very nice colour, BBFC certificate as well, and in widescreen format, it doesn't get any better than that.
I've had some very good prints from Phil.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 31, 2017, 03:36 AM:

Thanks Robert. To think we were going to sell off 16mm and stick only with super 8. We will limit our collection to a max of 20 maybe 30 purly for room. So i will try and choose wisely. [Wink]

Posted by Robert Crewdson (Member # 3790) on December 31, 2017, 03:42 AM:

It's very difficult to stick to limits Tom, I've tried that. Something comes along that you never expected, and miss it and it could be goodbye forever. You made the right decision to go into 16mm.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 31, 2017, 03:44 AM:

I think so to, we will continue to sell to buy for a while. At present we are on a money raiser for blackpool but as you say, just as i sell something another unresistable item comes along like this 16mm print of Hannie Caulder.

Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on December 31, 2017, 04:20 AM:

Tom,

well done - Hannie Caulder looks like a cracking print - i haven't managed to watch my christmas prints yet or for that matter all my Blackpool prints - i will try and watch a few on New Years Day and before i go back to work on the 8th

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 31, 2017, 07:25 AM:

Thanks David,
Enjoy your new viewings

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