8mm Forum: Soundtrack Out Of Sink :-)

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on August 17, 2005, 04:30 PM:

I obtained this gorgeous print of a 1950's 'B crime feature called Chicago Syndicate. When I put on the last reel, reel two, everything was fine for the first ten minutes, then the voices when out of sync. The dialogue was about five seconds before the lips moved. This continued for the last 35 mintes of the film. Anyone have a suggestion on how to sync up the track? I have a piece out outboard gear with delay capabilties. Maybe that will work. [Cool]

Oh, Abbey Lane is one of the stars. She sings with Xavier Cougats small combo. Pretty cool stuff. [Smile]

Posted by John Whittle (Member # 22) on August 17, 2005, 08:15 PM:

Dan

Five seconds is a pretty big error (5 x 24 = 120 frames or 3 feet) This could occur if the lab used the wrong "start" mark* for the track. Is there a splice where the track goes out of sync?

In the olden days of yore, one could stripe the print and re-record the optical track on to full coat before striping and then record it back onto the print.

I don't know if any outboard device can give you five seconds, but if you have such a device try it. The problem is you're going to have to do this every time you play the print.

One of the reasons prints used to wind up on the "collector's market" was they were lab rejects. That's probably the history on your print.

John

*various studios used different "start" marks for tracks. Most used a nine foot start where a beep or pop occured on the "3" of the leader (or 2 seconds on the new universal leader), Warner Bros used an 11 foot start for a while and Paramount used a 12 foot start for awhile. These are all 35mm counts and wouldn't explain your problem. It's an error, pure and simple.

J

Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on August 17, 2005, 08:24 PM:

A sink sounds like a bad place to put your films anyway, so keeping them out of sink is a good idea....

(sorry Dan, couldn't resist)....

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on August 17, 2005, 08:42 PM:

LOL @ Steven, I was going to make a similar comment...but I see you beat me to it. [Big Grin]

Here's one wacky idea, why not play the film with a 3-foot loop between the film gate and sound pickup... yes... I know... I did say it was wacky. [Razz]

Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on August 17, 2005, 10:54 PM:

Thanks, John, I figured a five second delay would be hard to provide using outboard gear. But, I think the stereo delay option have might do it. It ping pongs the delay from left to right or visa versa. I could mute the fisrt side and only allow the opposite side to be heard. If I ever get around to trying it, I will report back.

Steven & Jan, whoa is me! [Frown]

Looks like I'm reaping all those bad puns I've sewn. I love it! Thanks. [Big Grin]

Actually, I would rather have Abbey out tub. [Eek!]

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