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Posted by Hans van der Sloot (Member # 494) on January 18, 2007, 05:27 PM:

Someone offered me a 16mm copy with faded colors.
He says he has this film for a long time and the fading is stable (he means it didn't fade more during the time he has it).
How bad are fading colors and will it end up pink or colorless in the near future?
He asks 200,- euro for this copy.
Is it a fair price?

Posted by Paul Spinks (Member # 573) on January 18, 2007, 10:29 PM:

Hi Hans,
I have films which have faded away to sepia and which, no doubt will become clear film one day. Once it starts it doesn't stop. If this print is red it will be really disappointing as the film will lack the blackness in the space scenes, the Earth will lack its beautiful blueness, and Bowman's amazing psychedelic journey in the finale will be less than impressive. Some films are acceptable with a certain amount of fade, but classics like 2001 just don't look good faded. You would never be happy watching it. If you can't get a good print I would recommend sticking with the DVD.

Posted by John A. Pommon (Member # 292) on January 19, 2007, 04:59 AM:

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Someone offered me a 16mm copy with faded colors.

I agree with Paul. Outer space needs to be black or at least very very dark blue. Unfortunatly blacks usually fade to another color. Color is really important for this feature.
I actually had an odd LPP 2001 reel and sold it a few years ago.
It was gorgeous. It was LPP.

If it was LPP uncut & excellent condition then it might be worth $250. Faded . . I might look at it once . . . for free.

Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on January 24, 2007, 10:23 AM:

John:
A Scope/LPP print of 2001 would sell for far more than $250.

Hans:
Don't waste your money - 200 Euros is a lot to pay for a faded print. You didn't mention if it was scope or flat -- if it's flat, I wouldn't think it would be worth more than 50-75 Euros.
Scope - maybe 100-125 euros.

Posted by Hans van der Sloot (Member # 494) on January 29, 2007, 04:21 PM:

Thanks everyone.
I already decided not to buy this print.

Posted by John A. Pommon (Member # 292) on February 02, 2007, 03:17 AM:

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John:
A Scope/LPP print of 2001 would sell for far more than $250.

As much as I love some of Kubrick's work - Clockwork Orange, FMJ, Eyes Wide Shut, the "sci-fi masterpeice" 2001 entertainment valuewise . . . is a yawner - I did like the computer, HAL-9000.

Posted by Danny Morello (Member # 453) on February 02, 2007, 06:49 AM:

HAL ? Isnt that short for "IBM"?? lol

Posted by John A. Pommon (Member # 292) on February 03, 2007, 11:53 PM:

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HAL ? Isnt that short for "IBM"?? lol

Clarke stated that [ea next-alpha character in HAL becomes IBM]
was purely coincidental, and HAL is an acronym for Heuristic Algorithmic Logic.

Good one, Art!

Throw that in with a little IBM product-placement action. . .
computer panels in the spaceplane, control panel on Dave's spacesuit, viewscreens Dave & Frank watch "The World Tonight" . . . .
helps pay the bills and then some~

Posted by Jim Latendorf (Member # 506) on March 06, 2007, 05:40 PM:

I have the print John sold a couple of years ago. Still looking for Reel #2. It's a LPP flat print. The colors are a tad warm because the original materials used to make the print where Eastman. All of the original 2001 prints from 1967-8 where Eastman. Therefore, anything made 15 years later using the materials available are going to me off a little.

Jim L.

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