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Posted by Alan Smith (Member # 843) on July 23, 2007, 06:07 PM:

I tried search function, and apparently there are/were no projectors with slow motion capability.

How did coaches study all that 16mm film of their football (and other) games?

Can anyone help me locate a projector that either has slow speeds (cr. 5 fps) or that can easily be adapted, please?

Thank you, alan

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on July 24, 2007, 08:02 AM:

There are usually a few silent projectors on ebay that feature slo mo.....the ones the coaches used included the famous Kodak "analyst" series. There were others and I remember using one in the 60's that had a wired remote control so the coach could instantly change from forward to reverse to replay a certain play. These were silent machines and rarely had more than a 400 or 800 foot capacity.

Posted by Alan Smith (Member # 843) on July 24, 2007, 09:30 AM:

Excellent!

Thank you very much, alan

Posted by John Whittle (Member # 22) on July 24, 2007, 04:15 PM:

Look for the LW projector. They made several versions. The early ones were based on the Kodak Pagent including one that ran sound as well as flickerless silent at still, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc frame rates.

Later they made a machine which was a modification of the Eiki NT. Eiki also made a "sports" model which had a remote for slow speed.

These machines had independent shutters and advance so that the shutter didn't slow down when the film advance was slow, hence no flicker.

They were a "pricey" projector in their day and can be a "nightmare" if you have to go inside the Pagent version. There are also various builds, one of the early ones used a polyurtheane timing belt (like the Fairchild sound 8 projector used to run the sprockets off the shutter shaft) and they have turned to goo which requires cleaning and replacement. If you can find the belt.

In other words, check the operation before you buy--not an ebay item or blind buy item.

John

Posted by Bart Smith (Member # 780) on July 25, 2007, 01:07 AM:

Here in the UK Specto 16mm Analysis projectors are not that uncommon. As far as I remember they go down to something like 3 FPS.

Posted by Alan Smith (Member # 843) on July 25, 2007, 04:43 PM:

KODAK ANALYST, I & II (1953-1956).

Spectro Ltd: Motion Analysis Projector [1940] for analysis of RAF gun camera footage! - sold in USA as Wollensak WF329A.

Good Lord! - nothing off the shelf at Walmart?

Posted by Martyn Stevens (Member # 861) on July 31, 2007, 09:49 AM:

I have a B&H machine with a big knob on the back of the motor which appears to provide for a variable-but-then-fixed speed. It also hav a counter and a handle for manual winding. There is a pic at the end of the 16mm > Various page on my site www.cinerdistan.co.uk.

Posted by Alan Smith (Member # 843) on July 31, 2007, 10:24 AM:

Thank you, but your link returns: BAD HOST NAME.

However; "a big knob on the motor" sounds like just the ticket -- if life were so simple.

Thanks again, alan

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on August 01, 2007, 11:02 AM:

There's a Kodak analyst machine on ebay right now.

Posted by Alan Smith (Member # 843) on August 01, 2007, 06:23 PM:

Thanks for the tip -- guess it's already sold. All I find is a manual for the Analyst.

regards, alan

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