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Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on April 14, 2013, 03:08 PM:

Is it not possible to run a movie backward on this? I mean, just wanted to go a little back, but it starts rewinding :-)

Thanks

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on April 14, 2013, 05:11 PM:

No reverse on the 16-CL...but because of the slot loading ... you can stop it and back it up by hand.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on April 14, 2013, 05:43 PM:

Yes, a big plus to to able to do that ... I do like this more than my Bauer P7, seems more stable in the sound.

Thank you

Posted by Lee Bombard (Member # 3740) on June 20, 2013, 12:50 PM:

Did the 16CL come stock with a zoom or fixed lens?

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on June 20, 2013, 01:10 PM:

Mine came with a fixed lens ... Bought an adaptor, so now I have a zoom lens on it ... Nice machine and the slot loading is absolutely fabulous. Love it

Posted by Lee Bombard (Member # 3740) on June 20, 2013, 01:20 PM:

Thanks Vidar.
I'm new to 16mm. What kind of expense would an adaptor and a zoom lens be?

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on June 20, 2013, 01:55 PM:

I don't recall what I paid, but I think Larry Urbanski has it ...

http://www.urbanskifilm.com/projectors.html

135 dollars is, if I am not mistaken, both adaptor and lens. Ask Larry, he had two choices for me when I asked for it.

Good luck

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on June 21, 2013, 10:10 AM:

The 16-CL converter is called "Elmo Zoom Converter - 16". It is marked as "X 0.8 ~ 1.25" and also "Elmo Japan".

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 15, 2016, 11:10 PM:

Sorry to revive all thread.

But any explanation why Elmo sold 16CL without a variable zoom lens like its Elmo Super 8mm projectors line ups?

Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on August 18, 2016, 06:03 AM:

Hey Vidar,

I absolutely agree about the slot load being convenient, sure love it on my EIKI SSL-Os [Smile]

!!!

Best,
ET

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on August 18, 2016, 09:42 AM:

It wasn't just Elmo. Just about all 16 millimeter projectors came with a fixed 50 millimeter lens. A variable zoom lens was an optional accessory.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 18, 2016, 12:48 PM:

quote:
A variable zoom lens was an optional accessory.

Is there a reason behind this?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 18, 2016, 01:31 PM:

Yes Winbert.As Janice has already said, nearly all but the most expensive portable 16mm projectors only came with a fixed focal length (usually 50mm) standard lens, as standard.

Zoom lenses were an optional extra.

The Bauer P8 for example, is one such projector that would have been supplied with a zoom lens straight out of the box.

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on August 18, 2016, 01:31 PM:

Simply cost. Zooms are always more expensive.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 18, 2016, 01:34 PM:

Indeed!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 18, 2016, 08:20 PM:

quote:
Simply cost. Zooms are always more expensive.

Having been in super 8mm collecting for years, this is amazed me. Every 8mm projectors I knew came with variable zoom lens and the projector's price is just so so. We can an expensive 1.0 lens or just the common 1.3, depend on your budget.

Is it different in lens type, quality, the way of making for 16mm variable zoom lens?

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on August 18, 2016, 10:20 PM:

Winbert...Here is an inexpensive way to add a variable lens to the Elmo 16CL.

The lens I used was from an Bell & Howell MX33. B&H made several models of this projector. Most don't work now so should be easy to find a machine for almost nothing.

Next... order an Elmo 16CL lens adapter from Shapeways. It was designed by one of our own Forum members, Julian Baquero.

http://www.shapeways.com/product/QTGC5QN28/bell-ho well-lens-adapter-to-elmo-16mm-projector?optionId=43026256&li=user-profile

There is a small thin plastic tab that protrudes from the black barrel of the lens. There is an opening on the adapter to accomodate this. However the black tab sticks out about an 1/8th of an inch preventing insertion into the projector lens mount. I just sanded it down to be even with the edge of the adapter...you could also just clip it off.

Here is the lens in the projector. Granted its optics are not as high quality as an original Elmo ... but it isn't bad either and a very frugal solution.

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on August 19, 2016, 02:10 AM:

Winbert
If you compare 16mm zooms to 8mm you will see that the 16mm zooms are obviously heavy precision made lenses. Most 8mm zooms are made of plastic and not of the same quality. However it is not always the case. There are some 8mm zooms of high quality - like Schneider Kreuscnach in particular - but they fetch high prices theses days because of the superior image they give.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on August 19, 2016, 03:23 AM:

Indeed! [Big Grin]

The Xenovaron is a plastic gem!

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on August 22, 2016, 03:41 PM:

I'm a bit surprised at no comments about the DIY zoom lens solution I proposed above - positive or negative [Confused]

Is this just common knowledge or what? I think if you are in a small space and need to make the picture bigger on a low budget ...this is a viable alternative. What's your opinion?

Posted by Greg Perry (Member # 5177) on August 22, 2016, 11:35 PM:

Janice,

I think your low-cost solution is brilliant! I will be on the hunt for a B&H projector lens myself. At the very least, it is a good temporary solution till a more precision (and hence costly) lens can be acquired.

Thanks for sharing this idea, and for your many other contributions to the forum (PDF's of manuals etc). I always seem to learn something worthwhile from your adventurous efforts!

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on August 23, 2016, 03:22 AM:

Thank you Greg. It's good to hear your feedback. I'm going on vacation for a couple of weeks, but when I get back I'll try to put together a lens comparison video. I have a standard Elmo 50mm...an Elmo 35mm...a generic 25mm in 16CL adapter sleeve...and the B&H Zoom lens in the 16CL adapter. Should be interesting [Smile]

Posted by James Peterson (Member # 3793) on September 03, 2016, 08:05 PM:

Hi Janice, I didn't know that a Super 8 lens would work with a 16mm projector! Ha, I learn something every day.

My Elmo 16-CL was bought with the original 50mm lens (darn good f1.2 too!! and a strange Elmo "Telecine" 20mm lens that is an unusual f1.4!) The picture is waaaaaaay big from like 8ft lol. The lens is weird because it is very narrow--the stock Elmo mount is exactly the diameter of the whole lens! Looks like a long D battery.

I guess you could option up when you bought an Elmo?

Different approach than Bell and Howell as their 25mm(or is it 28? I'm too lazy to walk down to the basement now..lol) is the same diameter as the 50mm and has a tiny glass inside and is only an f1.9.

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 1183) on September 12, 2016, 04:00 PM:

8mm projectors were intended for home use, where there is a wide variety of distances and screen sizes, hence the zoom lens.

16mm was primarily intended for classroom use, where the 50mm lens would work almost perfectly from the back of the room to a screen in the front. Zoom lenses, and other focal lengths were available for those who needed them at additional cost.

The 20mm Elmo lens was intended to be used with the Elmo rear screen mirror attachment, for rear screen projection. It will work for front screen projection, but it is touchy to focus.

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