8mm Forum: What's better LPP Cut prints or Faded Uncut

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Posted by Gilbert Lambert (Member # 5403) on April 15, 2017, 09:20 AM:

I would like opinions if possible. We collect edited versions in Super 8, but many LPP TV prints are lately for sale in 16mm . They seem cut. We like UNCUT theatrical prints. But .. even if scenes are cut , nudity or something else or language , would it not be better to own a cut print in LPP rather than a theatrical version faded? Other idea... when possible , add the faded cuts to the LPP print ? ( in both formats S8 - 16mm ) If it's about a missing scene or short sequence ... isn't that an option ? I don't know, so I ask opinions, - We like the best in colours , TV prints still seem affordable in 16mm , There's much more choice in 16mm than in Super 8 and at more reasonable prices, so it's still interesting to start collecting both formats and look for the better colours in LPP ? Thank you for your input here, Happy Easter, Gilbert

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on April 15, 2017, 11:19 AM:

Gilbert

It depends what annoys you the most and how much fade and how much is cut.
Realistically the faded prints will get worse and have little or no resale value in the future. At least low fade edited prints will still be watchable and have value.

Happy Easter

Mike

Posted by Gilbert Lambert (Member # 5403) on April 15, 2017, 12:24 PM:

Thank you Mike, so far I have the same opinion. A bit of nudity cut out, a bit of bad language cut out...I can handle that. The nudity can be seen on a DVD or online if one is interested in that bit. There are websites specialised in showing the nude bits. If it's about the movie, the story or the outdoor spectacle, I surely do prefer the colours. Just bought a 4 hour LPP movie for £100 or 120 Dollars more or less. A Western, truly worth the money because of the colours. Each month now I'll grab some cheap LPP bargains as they come along. Not worrying about the movie offered being a TV print. Because I expect the prices to go higher the longer I wait ... Kind regards, Gilbert

Posted by David C. Lucidi (Member # 4020) on April 17, 2017, 12:34 PM:

I think it depends on the movie and context.

I have a VERY nice print of Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978). It's a TV print. But, the only TV edit is at the end when Brooke Adams 'converts' to a pod person, the nudity is obscured more with the grass, and then shortly after in the warehouse scene, she is wearing a red dress (in the theatrical version she is nude for a few seconds). To me, that's a minor thing and doesn't take away from the movie experience at all.

On the flip side, I have a fading theatrical print of 9 to 5. Lots of cursing (PG style), and some use of the b-word to describe women (Dabney Coleman plays a sexist male chauvinistic boss). I had won a LPP print on Ebay a few years back....and it was a TV edit. ALL of the good lines were cut, and the pot sequence (when the women get high and fantasize about how they'd kill their boss) was trimmed or cut. To me, in a case like that, it ruins the overall feel of the movie because now you don't see just how much of a jerk Coleman's character was supposed to be, among other things. The overall feel of the movie loses it's comedic edge when trimmed so much. I sent it back and still have my fading print.

It also depends WHERE the print originated from, and how much was cut. A friend of mine bought a print of Spaceballs while in Germany (and it was an English version with no subtitles). It had all of the curse words intact, except the one F word at the end (when the try to use the 'Cancel Self Destruct' button). In that case, missing the F word wasn't a big deal. But I have seen other TV edits of Spaceballs, where the "A-hole" scene is cut, and a bunch of other jokes were cut too -- totally ruined the movie in my opinion.

Posted by Gilbert Lambert (Member # 5403) on April 18, 2017, 03:54 AM:

Thank you David for your input. Problem will be when a TV print is offered, we'll never know how much was cut out until we viewed it. That will be the gamble I guess. In re-selling one day the faded prints will go nowhere unless for a few dollars ... value of the empty reel. Some 20 years ago I bought a complete 16mm library in Dublin with features and shorts and cartoons. The owner asked me the equivalent of 8 dollars for a 40 minutes reel. It was a great lot including a Technicolor print of King of Kings. The lot was all MGM and United Artists movies and shorts and cartoons. One year later Derek from DERANN movies in the UK bought all I wanted to sell to him. Even then, I already paid the price of an empty reel for faded prints as many MGM's did fade by then already. I think that will be the future price of faded films or not ? Time will tell? Have a nice week my friend collectors, Gilbert

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on April 18, 2017, 01:34 PM:

My 16mm print of Hopscotch is a TV print (I think). It had a few swearwords censored, the sound just went. On inspection the optical track had blooping tape on it. Once removed the words were back.

One of the worst I've seen was on ITV when they screened The Wild Geese poor Roger Moore after he had landed overdubbed his words with someone who didn't sound at all like Roger.

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on April 26, 2017, 02:58 AM:

I would settle for the cut LPP prints and dump the uncut faded print.

The reason being that its now easy to find an uncut copy on an
alternative digital format anyway.

I don't mind the swear words or some nudity being cut as i think
it adds very little to a film.

Also it kind of defeats the purpose of collecting the sharper superior print quality of 16mm to watch a faded print.
Filter used or not as you can never retrieve the original colour
that was originally on the print before it faded. [Wink]

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