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Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on July 30, 2018, 05:02 PM:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Feature-Film-STAR-WARS-Episode-IV-A-New-Hope-UNCUT-1977-Scope-Movie/302825533086?hash=item4681ceee9e%3Ag%3AJZQAAOSwyCNbX3oB&_nkw=16mm+star+wars&_from=R4 0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X16mm+star+wa.TRS0
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on July 31, 2018, 12:15 AM:
looks like its SP color
kinda high for a starting bid
I guess the seller is afraid to start low
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 31, 2018, 06:35 AM:
I think he would get that for it and more possibly if, as you say, the start price wasn't so high.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 31, 2018, 07:19 AM:
It is on Eastman... one photo shows that code in between the sprockets.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 31, 2018, 09:15 AM:
Its certainly fadeing.
Posted by Clyde Miles (Member # 4032) on July 31, 2018, 11:35 AM:
date code for that print is 1982, just missed out on being lpp.
Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on July 31, 2018, 03:58 PM:
It's eastman and faded - and in my opinion anyone who would pay anywhere near that much for it is not right in the head... With that said, it will probably sell - which is great for the seller but not so much for the buyer who will be left holding the bag so to speak... Eventually the prices for Star Wars prints will come back to reality. It always happens.....
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 31, 2018, 04:03 PM:
Got to agree with you Steven, i'm currently looking at off loading faded or fading prints now, why anyone would pay that is just nuts, but, very good luck to the seller.
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on July 31, 2018, 08:36 PM:
Points have to be given for it being 16mm and an "original" print, as sharpness and quality would be first-rate. (Or was when new before the fade wrecked the density.) But for half this price, with a little patience, you'd be able to buy a Derann print in Super 8, in LPP, with the potential for better sound than 16mm.
So no, this makes no sense. Except that it's Star Wars, and therefore it is just what it is!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on August 02, 2018, 05:49 PM:
Aye there is an afa lot o' film collectors oot there jist nea richt in the heid ! Michty me min ! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on August 03, 2018, 03:45 AM:
The color doesn't look that bad being SP color vs Eastman red prints
Least it will never go vinegar
Ive got several SP color films around this time and not bothered by the orange tone.
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 06, 2018, 05:31 PM:
Looks like it’s ended with no bids.
What I’ve noticed on eBay is that if you set an auction with a low start it entices bidding and usually once bidding has started the auction gathers momentum and in most cases ends on a high amount.
Start the auction too high, which in this case I personally think it was, then it’s very difficult to even get a starting bid.
Apart from the colour issue this looked like a good, sharp print.
If only I had the equipment and this copy I’d scan each frame, colour correct it and transfer it back onto 16mm or a blu ray disc.
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on August 07, 2018, 12:29 AM:
He should have started auction as a penny. 3000 scares people away
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 07, 2018, 07:34 AM:
Exactly!!
Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on August 07, 2018, 11:57 AM:
Faded prints by definition lose definition -- in otherwords, the sharpness suffers as the color goes...
Also - this print is NOT SP - you can see the edge code in the picture - it says "Eastman".
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on August 09, 2018, 01:51 AM:
looks like SP by the color fade
I guess later Eastman had the same kind of fading as SP
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 09, 2018, 06:16 PM:
Well it’s back up again.
This time Buy It Now for $3775!
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 09, 2018, 06:56 PM:
Wasn't it 'only' $3,000 last time? The seller must think the low price was discouraging bids!
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on August 10, 2018, 12:23 AM:
someone is getting greedy
The guys trying to catch fish with a shoe
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 10, 2018, 01:39 AM:
Yes Adrian it was.
This is obviously a sought after title, it’s Star Wars uncut and in scope, and we don’t know how much this seller bought the film for in the first place.
I can understand if they’re worried about making a loss hence the high asking price and it’s their right to ask for whatever price but like it’s been mentioned in the previous comments, the colour is fading, soon it’ll go all together.
I can’t imagine a buyer paying that much for it I don’t know.
Like I mentioned iearlier if someone has the professional equipment to scan the film, clean it up, colour correct it and either transfer it back onto 16mm or a Blu Ray disc then perfect go for it.
I think the seller is scared of making a loss or they just want to make a huge profit. Hence the high price. That’s just my opinion.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 11, 2018, 06:43 AM:
I think it's crazy for a faded print, but if someone is willing to pay that for it, that's entirely up to them.
Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on August 11, 2018, 09:19 AM:
But Can , why do all that if it's already on Blu Ray ??
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 11, 2018, 11:11 AM:
I think that Can is getting at the fact that it’s the original version as the Blu-ray version has been severely altered by Lucas.
I’ll stick with my non faded super 8 print with stereo sound.
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 11, 2018, 04:41 PM:
David it’s like what Rob said, the current Blu Ray is essential the special edition version with pointless cgi added. Every hardcore Star Wars fan wants the original, unaltered 1977 version on Blu Ray.
Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on August 13, 2018, 09:43 AM:
It's not on Blu-Ray - but there's the de-specialized version out there.
Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on August 13, 2018, 09:57 AM:
The Despecialized version is of surprisingly high quality, I watched it projected in my home cinema and it was a knockout.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 13, 2018, 01:47 PM:
There is an authentic, legitimate version of the original presented as an "extra" on certain DVD releases.
Sadly, it is letterbox and looks appalling.
And the LD versions at 480i
Despecialized..hmmm...interesting... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 13, 2018, 02:45 PM:
As i understand it, there are now no original 1977 versions available to buy. Lucas made sure of that. There must still be a few around on laser disc and VHS. (not too sure about the DVD versions), but today it is not available. Our cine films are probably hated by George Lucas.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 14, 2018, 07:14 AM:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-IV-Hope-Limited/dp/B000FMH8UI
Tom, have a look at this (product description and reviews).
Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on August 14, 2018, 11:21 AM:
Tom, the Despecialized edition is made from bits of laserdisc, DVD and even (I think) some scanned 16mm/35mm. There's a great YouTube video about the making of it, including how some sections are made up from still images, with rotoscoped moving images in front of them. Everything looks as it would have if you'd been to the cinema when Star Wars was very first released. The whole project is a startling labour of love, right down to the soundtrack which has been mixed into a very close approximation of the 1976 Dolby Stereo release, complete with original sound fx.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 14, 2018, 03:07 PM:
Stuart, any links to this?
[ August 15, 2018, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: Rob Young. ]
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on August 14, 2018, 03:51 PM:
This is quite interesting to see:
https://youtu.be/b-wXMWxoQDg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Edition
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 15, 2018, 02:02 AM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrXO2RDzLg
Amazing.
Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on August 15, 2018, 03:54 AM:
Glad you found it Rob, impressive isn't it!
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 22, 2018, 01:45 PM:
I haven't sourced a Harmy Despecialized version, but what I have is the Team Negative 1 scan from 35mm release prints. What's most remarkable about the latter is how grainy it is.
Which brings up a very significant point about Harmy, particularly if you've watched the video linked above: the Despecialized Version claims to be what audiences saw in 1977, but that's true only in concept. Obviously, what he's done goes far beyond reconstruction and deep into restoration and enhancement. Audiences didn't see that crisp and clean of a movie in 1977.
So if you REALLY want the real deal, you need the "Silver Screen Edition" from Team -1, in my opinion.
Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on August 23, 2018, 09:09 AM:
I find all this quite fascinating not being particularly informed on the history of the film. Obviously George Lucas knows what is happening. Did he give it his blessing or was it done without his authority? I think it's time I dug out the old Laserdisc and gave it a viewing.
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 23, 2018, 08:00 PM:
Dave, all of it is clearly renegade. And finding downloads is anything but straightforward. The only reason I can assuage my conscience in having this bootleg is because I own so many licensed copies of it on other media, and I consider it a "substitute" media under copyright "Fair Use."
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 24, 2018, 02:36 PM:
https://archive.org/details/StarWars1977_201707
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 29, 2018, 04:42 PM:
Rob, that's a very interesting link, and it sure is the correct version... highly compressed, and destructively so.
The movie file I have is MKV format and nearly fills a Blu-ray disc, so roughly 22GB.
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on September 19, 2018, 03:17 AM:
someone bought the Star Wars for 3775.00
I hope they have a projector
Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on September 19, 2018, 10:34 AM:
At that price I'd be frightened to death to let it see the light of day!! Wonder if someone on the Forum bought it?
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on September 19, 2018, 05:40 PM:
My super 8mm Star Wars from Derann is dated 1989. So which version is this? the original ones or the altered version?
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on September 20, 2018, 01:15 AM:
Winbert, it is the 1981 re-release, which is essentially the original 1977 version but with the main title now changed to Episode IV: A New Hope, and a few minor audio mix changes.
The Special Editions with major alterations appeared in 1997 for the 20th anniversary.
Different version, including the original 35mm Dolby prints and original 70mm 6 track prints have slight differences in the audio here and there.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on September 20, 2018, 03:06 AM:
Thanks Rob.
BTW I am still happy with my tiny miny 8mm but excellent color. I don't understand people buying faded prints for high price while the 8mm LPP prints are available. This happened a lot in Gone With the Wind case.
cheers,
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 20, 2018, 06:28 PM:
Well Winbert, don't tell them! It will drive the price up for the Super 8 copies!
(Says one who will probably never own this.)
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on September 25, 2018, 03:13 PM:
I showed Star Wars here in the UK on 35mm in 1977 and yes the prints had a fair amount of grain. So in order to be "authentic" to the original release the grain would have to remain along with some slight print unsteadiness in some shots.
Posted by Peter Biancardi (Member # 6589) on September 28, 2018, 08:45 AM:
You guys need to dig harder, there are various 35mm scans of all the Star Wars films. Google Project 4k77 to start.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on September 28, 2018, 09:32 AM:
I was one of those of a certain age that saw STAR WARS in my local cinema. I remember the grainy desert scenes very well and wondered why that was. I also recall the light blue boxes around the TIE fighters particularly. Subsequent viewings reveal a lot of 'shortcomings' in the look of the film. I also saw the 'special edition' in the cinema and whilst those sorts of faults were fixed Lucas decided to shoehorn in a lot of clutter. There must be a happy medium where a new print could feature cleaned up effects and perhaps some re-done but not changing the content, as it were.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on September 28, 2018, 03:43 PM:
collecters seem to like these titles I have 2 I am going to be listing soon
2010
mad max 2 in scope
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 28, 2018, 04:09 PM:
I saw the film when it came out way back in 1977, honest folks how can you remember that far back? I cant remember any faults at all, as I and everyone else were to engrossed watching the film.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on September 29, 2018, 08:51 AM:
Graham when you are showing a film daily for some weeks you do have time to notice all the print defects but you can also remember a first showing no matter how long ago. Well i can .
I also remember that the sequel THE EMPIRE STRIKE BACK was far from perfect print wise on 35mm at The Odeon cinema i worked in as a film projectionist.
It suffered from a lot of side weave and a "printed in" unsteady image on some shots and a fair bit of film grain too. That was on its first release.
It was not our projection equipment that was at fault as we used a top notch "Rolls Royce" of a machine a PHILIPS DP 70 35mm / 70mm projector for our presentations.
I complained to the renter Fox about those faults and it turned out all prints in the UK were the same.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 29, 2018, 11:32 AM:
I'm sure that there HAS to be some 16MM unaltered 1977 version STAR WARS prints out there somewhere, whether they will be on low fade stock is another matter altogether ...
But I own a super 8 cineavision scope print of the actual 1977 version, on low fade, so that will do for me.
Posted by Can Sanalan (Member # 5988) on October 03, 2018, 05:09 AM:
Well it looks like its back so it wasn't sold then?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-Feature-Film-STAR-WARS-Episode-IV-A-New-Hope-UNCUT-1977-Scope-Movie/223172969908?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D201609081 05057%26meid%3Db63820f3b3d140abb8fa8e1e76f0e880%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D223172969908%26itm%3D223172969908&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A6c4c27 83-c6f4-11e8-be51-74dbd180f33d%7Cparentrq%3A3967718c1660ac3c09743607fff02f67%7Ciid%3A1
Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on October 03, 2018, 01:03 PM:
Osi, in 35mm yes. There were British IB Techs printed. How many of them escaped into the wild is another question.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on October 03, 2018, 05:52 PM:
Just as bonkers as before.
Best Mark.
Posted by Robert Statzer (Member # 6708) on January 23, 2019, 11:55 AM:
Not only did he relist the film a couple of times at an increased price, but he also padded the postage, going from an initial shipping cost of $14.95 to $17.95. I recall one guy on ebay asking around $100 for that set of six B&W silent 200' BATMAN reels Columbia put out. Sadly, I think someone actually paid the price.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on January 24, 2019, 03:57 AM:
It has already been muted we may well see the original New Hope on Blu-Ray with Lucasfilm now part of Disney, Fox in the loop and the dust settling on the lawsuits. As much as I love my motion picture films some of the ludicrous speed prices that have been paid on the wave of sales I believe has damaged the film collecting scene.
I'm pretty certain we will gradually see a wave of prints up for sale when the confirmed date is given for the 4K disc and accompanying Blu-Ray.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on January 24, 2019, 06:09 AM:
I`m sure I will buy the old cut release, not sure how many times Ive actualy bought star wars now.
But to be honest I`m more than happy with the new version Blu Rya as it is.
My youngest and I watched all 3 the other week, and they looked amazing 10 feet wide.
It might be possible to approach the new owners regarding doing say a 600 feet digest of the first 3 and agree a no profit situation.
They would be in more peoples reach and fly out.
Best Mark.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on January 24, 2019, 07:55 AM:
As the decades pass (I used to say years) its more about the memories Mark. Still have my little 200ft of Star Wars New Hope which back then you could buy after you left the Leicester Square Cinema. I guess the reel fun part was travelling home and loading it up on the trusty Eumig probably about 10 times that night but what a day to remember that money will never buy.
Posted by Lindsay Morris (Member # 3812) on January 24, 2019, 06:46 PM:
Maybe I should try and flog off my copy of Star Wars which is faded pinkish and well worn but still runnable with very few splices.
Its the 16mm scope version of the 1977 release of Star wars.
A blue green filter helps a lot to bring much of the colour back.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on February 06, 2019, 03:59 PM:
Incidentally, that 'despecialized Edition' is great, as close to the original experience as we are likely to get. It is currently available on 'Internet Archive' as 'Star Wars 1977.' Search for that or here is the direct link. It is 720p and requires a one third stretch as given by a widescreen television. This is the direct link:
https://ia600700.us.archive.org/24/items/Popcornarchive-starWa rs1977_z15in/Popcornarchive-starWars1977_z15in.mp4
You may need Quicktime. Right click over the image ( if it works correctly ) and select download video as...
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on February 07, 2019, 04:34 PM:
Thanks Steve, put it on a memory stick, and on the TV it looked very good.
But on the LCD projector it looked fantastic and very filmie.
Just the job.
Looking forward to watching it with my youngest who is very very Star Wars.
Best Mark.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on February 07, 2019, 05:46 PM:
No problem. Enjoy. I'm re-posting the link more prominently in General Yak.
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