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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on July 08, 2008, 07:10 PM:
Back in 1982 I watched the original movie in the cinema and at the time did not think much of it, strange that after 26 years my view of this film has totaly changed and if I had the chance I would once again like to see it back on the big screen as a directors cut, however the two disc "Final Cut DVD" is very impressive incuding a 5:1 Dolby Digital sound track just the thing to get the full benifit of Vangelis sound track, also in particular Disc 2 "Making Of Blade Runner" with a running time of three and a half hours gives a fasinating insight into the movie, if you are interested in the movie "The Final Cut" DVD is worth getting.
Graham. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 08, 2008, 07:59 PM:
I bought the deluxe version of this release, with ALL FIVE versions of the film, plus even more deleted scenes. It really is worth getting, even without the little toy, hovercar and plastic rendition of the origami unicorn!
Posted by Paul Spinks (Member # 573) on July 09, 2008, 01:15 PM:
Am I the only person who enjoyed the Marlowe style voice overs of the original? Everyone else seems to hate it. And I liked the original ending. I must be a Philistine! It would have made a great Super 8 scope feature though.
Paul.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on July 10, 2008, 11:08 PM:
Paul,
I hear you on the voice-over; I always thought it fitted the film-noir quality of the movie.
With the 5-disc set, one can certainly have something for everyone, although I cannot imagine working my way through 4 versions of the film (plus workprint), as beautiful as they are in Blu-Ray.
The looong extras, however, I would love to see.
Claus.
Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on July 11, 2008, 06:55 AM:
I'm with you , Claus, there is such a thing as too much.
Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on July 11, 2008, 08:22 AM:
How nice it would be if there was such a thing as a "digital negative."
Where as,
Any special DVD could be encoded as a negative image, much the same as most photography programs will allow you to reverse a still image - but this would be done to movies.
The idea here would be that the source once a digital negative could be made into new 16mm or super positive prints, eliminating the need for true movie negative prints. Imagine a negative for a complete feature in the palm of your hand in that tiny jewel box.....
So many titles could be made upon popular winning votes, such as Bladerunner in scope!
~ Chip ~
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 11, 2008, 10:51 AM:
BladeRunner was such an odd bird when it came out.
This was the year of Star Trek 2, great action sci-fi, and then around that same time, (if not the same year) E.T. (My Gawd! Has it been that long ago?).
But Bladerunner was a slow paced, very old fashioned in storytelling, and it wasn't a film that was designed to make you go out of the theater happy go lucky, but to think.
It's such a testament to this film that like Alien (also Ridley Scott) and a handful of other films from that time period, it simply hasn't aged. It's timeless. If Bladerunner was released today, it would probably recieve much the same reviews as back then, probably worse, but it wouldn't LOOK any different or aged by comparison to todays films, and there aren't many films that can say that nearly thirty years later.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 16, 2008, 05:45 PM:
Hmmm... for me "Blade Runner" is like "Casablanca"...
I can't actually identify anything that makes it that special, and yet feel myself drawn to watch it again and again...
I'm still totally undecided as to whether I love it or hate it...maybe that is the definition of art?
Posted by Stewart McSporran (Member # 128) on July 17, 2008, 05:08 PM:
I got the five disk version and I'm particularly impressed with the workprint.
The features are also good, particularly the ones that point out the continuity / cutting errors and show how they've been fixed for the final release. Although to be honest I never noticed them before; I was too busy watching the film rather than the "film", if you see what I mean. When Batty releases the dove and if flies from his rain soaked hands into a clear blue sky I just assumed that was an artistic choice!
Stewart
quote:
All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die.
Rather fitting as we had to have our 17 year old cat put down today. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 19, 2008, 10:19 PM:
Ah Stewart, you noticed my little quote at the bottom!
It really is a "painterly" film. There is not a single shot that shows the signs of being chosen lightly. The framing of the characters ect. The world that Ridley Scott and his crew created is completely realized. Even the very sound mix of the original release (not to mention the DTS remix) completely envelopes you. You really feel like you could walk right into the screen. There really aren't too many films that I can see myself gettin into like that.
Even Lucas was influenced strongly by Bladerunner, most notably in "Star Wars : Attack of the Clones" during the whole chase scene to find the assassin.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 31, 2009, 07:22 PM:
Just recieved this old CD its brilliant Vangelis released it around 1994, he states he was unable to release these recordings at the time of the films release "1982"
Photos from the CD booklet one of the best recordings around
Graham.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 01, 2009, 10:42 PM:
Whether shooting a modern drama (the Year of Living Dangerously), roman era drama (Gladiator) sci-fi (Alien) or futuristic sci-fi drama) (Blade Runner), Ridley Scott has a nearly unique lensing of all his films. They all have a distinct look.
I notied that on one of his first commercially released films, (The Duellist). Even if the story wasn't the best, you were always to be dazzled by the visuals!
Posted by Lars Pettersson (Member # 762) on April 02, 2009, 03:33 AM:
Osi, the Year of Living Dangerously was NOT Ridley Scott.
Someone To Watch Over Me however, is Scott and itīs present-time NYC (and pretty good, especially the acting + cinematography).
Cheers
Lars
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 02, 2009, 09:35 AM:
I was thinking of "Thelma and Louise". I just knew it was some contemporary drama.
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 1183) on April 10, 2009, 10:58 AM:
There have only been 2 CD releases of the complete Blade Runner soundtrack, both bootlegs with excellent sound quality taken from the original source tapes. The first was issued in England by Off World Records in 1993 as a hand numbered limited edition. The second was issued in Italy by Gongo Music in 1995. It is essentially the same as the Off World version, but has extended versions of some of the non Vangelis tracks but without the soundtrack from the original trailer.
Other releases of the Blade Runner Soundtrack in the USA:
1982 - New American Orchestra re-recorded version. Performance was not considered very good by most fans of the music. Was eventually issued on CD.
1994 - Pictured in above post, only contains the Vangelis portion of the score, along with other Vangelis music not composed for the film.
2007 - Blade Runner Trilogy 25th Anniversary Edition. Three CD album. Music again reworked by Vangelis with snippets of dialog from the film. Not really an Original Soundtrack, but a nice work in it's own right.
[ April 10, 2009, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Mitchell Dvoskin ]
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 11, 2009, 09:36 PM:
Considering that the movie came out in 1982, would anyone know why it took 12 years before the original soundtrack was released?
Graham.
PS I have the Blu-Ray disc but still no player as yet
Posted by Lars Pettersson (Member # 762) on April 15, 2009, 05:46 AM:
If you want to go overboard on the subject of Blade Runner, hereīs plenty:
http://www.tyrell-corporation.pp.se/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner
http://bladerunnerthemovie.warnerbros.com/
Cheers
Lars
Posted by Christopher P Quinn (Member # 1294) on April 15, 2009, 08:21 PM:
I have never seen this film!!!!!
Now saying that, which blinking DVD/Blu-ray do i buy. With so many version of the same film, i am not sure which way to go on this, original or one of the many cuts. I would though like to buy the Blu-ray version, just incase i don't like it, at least i can look at it in awe of the picture quality. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 15, 2009, 10:43 PM:
Thanks Lars
I guess it must have been something to do with who owned the rights to the music that delayed its release for 12 years, today I just picked up the 3 disc 2007 release of the music at a discount store .
Chris
I would just go for "The Final Cut" Blu-ray thats all I have done, if its anything like the DVD it should be impressive. If you do and have a Blu-ray player could you let us know what the quality is like as its going to be a few months yet before I can buy a Blu-ray player
Graham.
Posted by Lars Pettersson (Member # 762) on April 16, 2009, 12:29 AM:
Chris, if youīve never seen this film, I envy you -youīre in for a treat. If possible, go for the "Final Cut", project it on a large screen, crank up the volume and donīt allow anyone to interupt you for the next 2 1/2 hours.
Frankly, myself I have never seen this title as Blu-Ray, but concerning the various discs and versions, hereīs my opinion:
Technical quality: The "Final Cut" version is an astounding transfer, with the 65mm elements scanned at 8K resolution (imagine the overkill when watched on DVD/BluRay ) and the sound remixed and tweaked by -among others- my two-time Academy-award-winning fellow countryman Per Hallberg and even new material filmed with Harrison Fords son, to fix a minor lip synch flaw. I feel this version also brings the city itself forward more than the others.
The various versions: "The International Cut" retains the narration and is a very good version of the film if you ask me.
"The Dallas Preview" is physically in poor shape, but itīs an interesting version as it is really the origin of the two later recuts (Directorīs and Final).
"The Final Cut" as I already mentioned is really the "non plus ultra" in the package, as it has been tweaked to, and almost beyond, the limits of what can be defended in terms of time and money. Itīs clearly been a work of love and a matter of prestige to many involved.
"The Directorīs Cut" is not very interesting. It was a rush job and somewhat poorly handled.
I think, much as with 2001 a Space Odyssey and Casablanca, the people involved in making this film didnīt think it was going to wind up THAT much a classic/cult title, but of course it did. The richness of texture and themes in the film actually run deeper than many involved in itīs production thought of at the time.
By all means buy the 5-disc version, I probably sound like some warner Bros salesman ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
but it is truly a beautiful package, and to really delve into every aspect of it you would have to spend about a week, watching and listening.
Way back when Blade Runner played in cinemas in 70mm in the 80s, I know at least the plan was to go directly from 65mm materials for the effects sequences. Whether this was done or the general technical level was simply very high, I donīt know, but the effects scenes when I saw it the first time were simply jaw-dropping. If there were such a thing as a Nobel Prize for visual effects in movies, Douglas Trumbull should have won it several times over.
Cheers
Lars
[ April 16, 2009, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Lars Pettersson ]
Posted by Christopher P Quinn (Member # 1294) on April 16, 2009, 05:41 PM:
OK guys sounds like I have been missing out. Not really sure why I missed this film out as I am quite a sci fi fan. I will go for the blu-ray version final cut and give you my opinion for what its worth. I will have to notify the other half that I will be cranking up the mission speakers though, she dont understand that sort of thing although she likes the 6ft screen, strange women. It may take a few weeks as it will have to join the backlog. This weekend I am watching the smilebox version of The Way the West Was Won on blu-ray.
If Blade Runner is like my other classic films on blu-ray, then it will be a treat, whatever my opinnion of the film, but i'm sure i will love it.
Chris.
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