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Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on March 06, 2010, 05:43 AM:
 
I've felt an absense in the force lately here on the forum, and I finally realized Osi's been missing for over a month! [Confused]

I hope you're o.k. brother. [Wink]

James.
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 06, 2010, 06:26 AM:
 
James,

Osi is OK. He and Paul Adset are kicked out from this forum because of one issue.

I will not discuss the said issue here, but what we can do now is to make a sort of petition addressed to the forum owner to re-activate their membership.

We should leave our ego behind and look further for a better friendship in this small community.

I am in for the petition to re-activate Osi and Paul's membership (or perhaps plus another ex-members that I didn't know).

thanks
 
Posted by Jose Artiles (Member # 471) on March 06, 2010, 07:40 AM:
 
Im with you in this matter too,egos is a terrible thing,im almost in danger too for say this but dont forget something if the importants members that are blocked dont come back including our KING OF ELMOS KEVIN this forum maybe will have less and less interest at least for me,anyway Kevin,Osi and more people now we have another place were we are posting,email me and i can give you detail because i dont want to be forbidden here,just email me and i give you the new wonderfull place on the web,all the friends you miss you will find there [Wink]
 
Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on March 06, 2010, 08:33 AM:
 
Sorry please delete
 
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on March 06, 2010, 11:00 AM:
 
SAY WHAT!??????

I had no idea that this was the case. These types of matters should be dealt with, instead of just kicking people out, especially long time members like Paul, Osi and Kevin!

I really don't know what to say. This forum is a great service to us all, and I do appreciate the tight reigns that are kept on everything by the moderators. But I wish that these types of matters could be worked out, rather than just kicking people out.

After all, we are sort of like a family [Wink] .

James.
 
Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on March 06, 2010, 12:19 PM:
 
This is a great forum, really. But these issues with Kevin, Osi and Paul are just plain stupidity. Currently, I'm the moderator on three different forums, one of them is Norways biggest IT-forums, with more than 10 000 readers daily. So believe you me, I know alot about forums.

Kevin and Brad disagreed on a few things, I won't go into details as I don't know them, but it eventually resulted in Kevin making his own forum, which I for obvious reasons wont link to here.

But that's fair, everyones entitled to their own opinions and stuff, but I'm fairly pissed by the treatment that Kevin, Osi and Paul has gotten, and the treatment his new forum has gotten.

It's an ally, not the enemy. So seriously, reconsider their suspension, and start treating them like friends. They formed an alternative forum, not a rival.

I know I might get banned for this, but quite frankly, I don't care. At least then have the decency to let my post be here, unedited, the way I wrote it.

We're not bloody fascists, there is such a thing as freedom of speech, and the day we lose the right to say our opinion on this forum, well, then you can kiss my arse goodbye anyway.
 
Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 06, 2010, 05:04 PM:
 
In Brad Miller's defense, he is the reason we have THIS Forum. Paul and Osi unintentionally broke a rule of this forum by posting duplicate posts on another forum. Brad offered to re-instate them if they removed said posts from the other forum, which (so far) they have chosen not to do. They were not "kicked out". I understand where Brad's coming from on this.
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 06, 2010, 05:06 PM:
 
Hold on everyone. Let's get some facts straight. I see where there's been a lot of false information spread around.

Kev, Osi and Paul were not banned from posting here because of voicing any opinion in any posts whatsoever. If anyone out there has said that is the reason, they are 100% completely wrong.

I want to make sure I cover all points in this matter so I need to take some time to compose a complete statement that will tell all as I know it. This should be out in the open.

I have some non-Forum business to take care of, and then I'll get right to it. Thank you all for your patience.

Doug
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 06, 2010, 05:48 PM:
 
I stand in Brad's defense also. This has been a great forum to post on and I believe it is because of the rules presented upon registration. Also, the excellent moderating and general attitude of all members. This forum is not a platform for free speech. It is privately owned with rules pertaining to posting protocol.
 
Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on March 06, 2010, 06:00 PM:
 
I'm Switzerland.
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 06, 2010, 06:14 PM:
 
Greg,

Then can you send over some chocolate? [Big Grin]

Doug
 
Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on March 06, 2010, 10:13 PM:
 
Good grief -- I don't know the story, but let's all get a little perspective here. This is a forum about film collecting -- let's not take it quite so seriously. . . .
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 06, 2010, 10:34 PM:
 
quote:
Good grief
Is that considered "intellectual property". [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 06, 2010, 10:51 PM:
 
Sorry folks, I've only now just finished my other work and I'm fried. No puns, please (sounds like a Castle Abbott & Costello digest). I'll post tomorrow.

Doug
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 07, 2010, 02:37 AM:
 
A "petition to reactivate their membership"???

Get a grip, fellas.

This is a little film collectors discussion board. Members will come and go for whatever reasons.

Osi, Paul and Kev are appearing elsewhere if you need to catch them.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Hans van der Sloot (Member # 494) on March 07, 2010, 03:25 AM:
 
I guess an explanation will be very welcome.
Now it seems to me Osi and Paul (and who else?) have been kicked off the forum.
For what reason? For double posting on another forum?
So if I ask for a copy of Star Wars in 2 fora/forums in exactly the same words, I will get kicked of this forum?
Not the forum owner has the intellectual property of what's been written, but the poster himself. So why "claim" the post and forbid someone to post the same somewhere else?
This all seems to me a very minor defense and doesn't have to be punished so severe.
Besides, by kicking people from the forum, you deprive them the possibility to speak for themselves, to defend themselves.
You might interpreted this as censorship.
Doug, since you take this up, did you remove Osi and Paul from this forum and for what reason exactly?
I really hope this can be resolved in a good manner, because I have the impression there still is something glooming because of this matter.
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 07, 2010, 03:46 AM:
 
Well.....wake me up when it's over!
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 07, 2010, 07:37 AM:
 
Hi guys,

I slightly understand know for the reason why Osi and Paul are out now (an additional information provided by Doug later on will of course make everything clear).

I am still in the position to kindly ask the moderators to allow those persons posting again here.

But at the same time, I also hate to find when I am googling one key word I end up in many links which when I visit them one by one, they are all just the same (this is mostly because many people writing by cut and paste strategy). It is wasting my time, my bandwidth and my money too.

So, I can understand why this forum owner restrict people to double posting for the very same topic (cut and paste strategy).

For Osi and Paul, please understand too that although you are the writer for those writings, if you do this in a magazine, it does not mean you can put your writings in other magazine without the concern of the first one (an "OK" word must be received before submitting to different place).

When you submit your writings to a magazine, it does mean you have surrendered half of your rights to the said magazine (no matters it is free or paid writers).

You can find the said fine print statement in all magazines (or perhaps now also in online magazines)

I think we have to take a moderate way that will be a win-win solution.

I understand asking those writers to pull out those "cut and paste" posts they have done in the new forum will be almost impossible (ego is always number one, that always happens to me too). While without doing this Brad will not allow they return to this forum.

So the middle way that I can think about is if Osi and Paul make excerpt for every writing in the new forum instead of full writing and/or link to this forum for the full writings. This in one side will make the writings a bit different and on the other side will show how the new forum and this forum have a strong relations by linking one to the other.

Will that be OK for you Osi, Paul, Doug and Brad?

To be honest, I received an email from one of the banned person mentioning that how he missed to write in this forum. And I really want to bring them back to write in this forum again.

One last thing, I should re-underline again that "intellectual property" does not mean you can write the same matters at different places without the concern of the first place you write that one.

peace, [Wink]
 
Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on March 07, 2010, 10:02 AM:
 
quote:
One last thing, I should re-underline again that "intellectual property" does not mean you can write the same matters at different places without the concern of the first place you write that one.
I think you will find you can if you change the wording slightly.

I do not wish to enter into a "heated debate" but I think the issue has been blown out of all proportion, by an action that, IMHO, should have been dealt with by a "polite reprimand".

quote:
I also hate to find when I am googling one key word I end up in many links which when I visit them one by one, they are all just the same (this is mostly because many people writing by cut and paste strategy). It is wasting my time, my bandwidth and my money too.
Winbert, why "google" anything for 'Super 8'? If it's not on the available forums then it most likely not available any place. There is a "search facility" exclusive to the forums that enables you to find what you need. (if you "google DVD" then yes I can understand the number of options you will get, but Super 8 or 16mm????)

Enough said from me.
 
Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on March 07, 2010, 10:20 AM:
 
Mmmm, Swiss chocolate! Thanks, Doug.... now you have me scouring the net for some! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 07, 2010, 05:39 PM:
 
Let’s start off with a fact: This Forum has been a successful, friendly and civil place for years. Two components are responsible for that success. First, the members, a knowledgeable, personable, helpful and fairly photogenic group of 8mm, 16mm & 9.5mm loving scamps. The other integral part has been the site policies that have been in place since the Forum began. Brad has run numerous forums over the years and his experience has shown him what works and what does not. There are common sense rules (no personal attacks, no religion, no politics) and rules that help members navigate through postings (no teaser subject headers). If a rule is violated, the result (depending on the rule) can range from a courtesy warning to outright removal from the Forum.

Upon registering, every member of this Forum had to pass through this page:

“If you agree to abide by our rules below, please press the Agree button, which will enable you to register on this message board. If you do not agree to these terms, press the Cancel button.”

Since you’re all here, you obviously clicked on “Agree”.

Next stop on our tour is the start of the Forum in 2001. When asked how the 8mm Forum got started, Brad posted “Another film collector site out there was scamming their members by tricking them into ‘donating’ to the owner of the site, as he claimed it cost him bazillions to keep the site online, even though after a quick bit of research proved it was in fact costing him $7/month. Seeing the collectors get suckered angered me quite a bit, so I opened up this offshoot of www.film-tech.com purely for collectors and let it run.”

For the almost eight years that I’ve been a member (over five of them as moderator with Kevin), I’m constantly amazed at how smoothly this Forum runs. Occasionally there would be a flare-up, sometimes a flame over film vs. video projection(!) but Kevin and I used to joke about how the Forum basically ran itself because of the great people who post here.

Now we jump to September 2009 and the only time Brad did something that took me aback. There was now a header on the Forum that appeared to be an ad for film piracy, with an ex-member’s contact info listed. As a result of some off Forum communications, an altercation arose between this person and Brad. Kevin took offense at how it was handled. Now one could easily make the case that Brad (who privately owns, funds and operates this Forum and is the administrator, not a member) can do as he wishes. It was a very uncomfortable period for me as well.

Kevin left as moderator (but remained a member) on 11/3/09 and returned on 1/9/10. Kevin found he still had differences with Brad and on 1/26 he started his own forum, left the moderator position, and left it up to Brad to decide if Kevin could continue as a member.

Brad thanked Kev for the “excellent job” he had done over the years and told him he was still a member.

Now we get to Osi! Osi wanted to get Kev’s new forum off to a jump start, so he copied all of his 8mm Forum reviews and pasted them on Kev’s site. Ouch. The rules clearly state (and have stated for almost ten years) that cross-posting is not tolerated. “If you make a post on Film-Tech first, then make the same post on another website, you will be requested via email to delete the post of yours on the other website…..”

Brad e-mailed Osi asking him to remove the reviews. Osi chose not to. Consequently Osi was removed from the 8mm Forum.
Paul had seen Osi posting his old reviews so he did the same. Brad e-mailed Paul asking him to remove the reviews. Paul chose not to. Consequently Paul was removed from the 8mm Forum.

How do I feel about this? Terrible! But really, what is the use of having the same posts on two different forums? Different sites should have different postings. As I wrote to Kev, "I believe either forum isn't served well by having duplicate posts. Each site needs original postings of its own, with their own personality. Even though we'll all undoubtedly cover many of the same topics, it's each member that puts his/her own spin on that topic. Why would I subscribe to two magazines that have identical articles?"

To complicate matters, Osi included Brad's e-mail in one of his posts on Kevin's website. From our rules: "Quoting other people's emails. DO NOT DO THIS EVER! Emails are private conversations between people and will not be tolerated if any part of them or all of them are posted here or elsewhere unless the author has given specific permission to reproduce it. Expect to be banned and your post deleted if you ever do this. There is no tolerance with this.” Aside from our rules, posting private emails in any form on the web is the biggest breach of Net Etiquette there is.
Brad requested that Kevin remove the personal e-mail from his website. The e-mail remained, so consequently Kevin was removed from the 8mm Forum.

There you have it. Three members banned not for stating their opinions (I’d like to know who made up that story), but for violating clearly specified rules. All involved were given a chance to remedy the situation, but declined to do so. Whether one agrees now with the rules is a moot point. You agreed to them when you registered.

Can they come back? I would guess that if Osi and Paul deleted the copied reviews they could start posting here again. Kevin is busy running his own site, but I miss his input.
Just one more point I need to make. Kevin is a friend and one of the most knowledgeable people I know of in our little world of Super 8mm. Brad (in addition to his cinema projection expertise) has run this great Forum for many years at his own expense (there has never been any advertising) and he has kept the entire archive intact rather than deleting the older topics. This has been for the benefit of the members and the entire 8mm community. The hobby is fortunate to have them both.

Doug
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 07, 2010, 06:38 PM:
 
quote:
Winbert, why "google" anything for 'Super 8'? If it's not on the available forums then it most likely not available any place.
Keith, I was talking something in general, not only 8mm things. Try to google (e.g) "2012 film review". You will get too many results with the same article. It is just a headache to find where is the original. OK let us not go further with this, because this is going to be really out of topic.

Doug,

Nice and clear explanation. As my opinion above, I strongly agree with no-duplicate postings (based on my knowledge that is not fair to have same article in two different magazines, even though that is a free magazine).

I, at the same time, also still kindly request that Osi and Paul can return here. You have mentioned that this is possible.

Now, it is hard to mediate this in this open forum because it will involve other voices that won't help.

Will you allow me to mediate this between you and these 2 person via private mail? I will take a position as a mediator and all of you can rely me taking this job (especially for those who know what is my real job).

If you give me a green light, I will start shoot an email privately with them and open a discussion with you also via PM? I am waiting you response.

regards
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 07, 2010, 07:00 PM:
 
Winbert,

I am only the moderator! Removing and reinstating members are beyond my super moderator powers.

Doug
 
Posted by Roy Neil (Member # 913) on March 07, 2010, 08:10 PM:
 
Thanks for shedding light on the situation Doug; I am probably not the only one who was wondering what transpired, and there were a lot of rumors and conflicting stories flying around - Thanks for setting the record straight.

I have to comment that I personally believe the forum rules are one of the main reasons this forum runs itself ( as you and Kevin noted )

Furthermore, I dont know about any other members - but to be honest - the whole 'Piracy' posting of Brad's did not bother me at all. On the contrary, all it did was made me chuckle and sparked my curiosity as to what had happened.

I haven't time to be a member of multiple forums, I have enough problems trying to 'keep up' as it is. I wish Kevin success with his new forum, however, I wish there was a way to keep us all in 'one' forum instead of fracturing the community ... makes life much easier and its 'better' for the hobby.

Lastly, I want to extend my personal thanks and gratitude to Brad Miller. He hasn't asked me for one cent, and he has expended his own time and energy to create, maintain and contribute to these forums - all for the good of the community.

Brad, I can honestly say that this film community would not have 1900+ members nor be the Safe Haven it is today had it not been for your kindness on our behalf - Thanks just isn't a big enough word.
 
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 08, 2010, 03:18 AM:
 
I have to say that although I appreciate given the full story I'm afraid this forum is, in my opinion, in the wrong. There may have been some rules breached but they are all petty and have only served to damage this forum.

As I said, only my opinion so it doesn't matter one jot.

But if you look at how poor this forum has been since the controversy started you can see why I feel this forum is in the wrong. It's all been bloomin' stupid.
 
Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on March 08, 2010, 04:35 AM:
 
It's difficult to understand what "cross-posting" actually means.
If it means giving the same technical advice, free, gratis and for nothing, to a range of different people in more than one Forum, then I'm afraid that many of us are guilty of that offence. If it means referring subscribers on one Forum via links to postings on other Forums, then many of us are guilty of that offence also.
Is actually belonging to another Forum an offence?

And it's worth noting that the same material (or advice) often appears in more than one magazine or newspaper... quite simply because readerships are different.
 
Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on March 08, 2010, 06:34 AM:
 
Roy, you mention 1900+ members? Yes, that is one hell of an achievement (one to be proud of) but let's not lose sight of reality. How many of the 1900+ membership are ACTIVE? [Confused]

Once upon a time, millions of years ago, the Earth was one land mass. Over time natural events caused that land mass to fracture and drift apart. Now we have continents split by oceans. Are those continents at "loggerheads" with each other? No, just the occupants of those continents.

We would all like to exist "in harmony". Unfortunatly, that will never be possible, because of mankind, in general. The best we can hope for, is to "CO-EXIST in harmony".

I think that is what the Forums should do - "Co-exist in harmony" for the good of the hobby. They are both "open forums" that can be read, without having to be a member.

As Martin said, how many of us buy more than one periodical containing the same "readable information", albeit everso slightly different in wording - the info is still the same?

Why can't we just accept the situation and move on? Let's build bridges, rather than walls! [Smile]
 
Posted by Alexander Lechner (Member # 1548) on March 08, 2010, 10:05 AM:
 
If I may give my opinion: I find it absolutely annoying when exactly the same post appears in two different forums as it should be ONE discussion and not some split up thing that could even get hard to overlook if there was more than two forums. I find this rule completely OK. Only positive thing: you find out real names in the 8mm Forum of people who use pseudonyms in other places.
There is always people who bend rules, don't stick to rules and usually it's not them who cause the big truble but the ones who come next and experienced that there is no consequences - they really use the situation and turn everything to the worse. Unfortunate for the first lot that they already have to pay even if it was not SO bad; but you know, once you weaken the rules ...
 
Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on March 08, 2010, 09:17 PM:
 
I have to agree with John Clancy.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and repeat over and over: "Film collecting is only a hobby. . .film collecting is only a hobby. . . film collecting is only a hobby. . . "
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 08, 2010, 10:13 PM:
 
Film collecting is only a hobby. . . film collecting is only a hobby. . . film collecting is only......I'm interrupting my new mantra to clarify two points. There was no implication on my part that Paul, Osi and Kevin were being vengeful or vindictive in their actions. I expressed my opinion on the review posting, but I did not mean to imply that anything heinous was done.

I'd also like to add that I understand Kevin removed the e-mail in a week's time, a point he communicated with Brad.

Anyway, I appreciate Keith's plate tectonic encapsulation and would like to get started on bridge assembly.

Film collecting is only a hobby. . . film collecting is only a hobby. . . film collecting is only a hobby....thank you John Hourigan!

Doug
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 09, 2010, 02:05 AM:
 
Yes, let's all start filling britches, ahem! I mean building bridges. [Eek!] [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin] [Cool]
 
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 09, 2010, 02:39 AM:
 
So please, please, can we now get back to normal and let all the members back in. In case anyone missed it, the members who have been banned are the ones that in the main gave this forum its value. I suppose it has fueled Kevin's smalformat forum but that was surely intended to be an addition to this forum and never intended to supplant it. At the moment it is the better forum and that's crazy given the amount of time this one has been in existence.

Please note I've had to leave an 'L' out of 'smalformat' as the word is banned from this forum. So is Kevo's surname.

Running a forum can be great experience and very rewarding and after the film piracy banner that caused the ructions (is that the correct spelling) I think Kevin wanted to give it a go. I'd like to too but I don't have the time and I would never want to cause the death of this forum. And at the moment this forum is dying.
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 09, 2010, 10:49 AM:
 
John,

I disagree. This forum is not dying. It is alive and well. I do not think two or three missing members are the ones who gave this forum it's value, but instead contributed. To say that is an insult to the many other members who post here. I don't think a previous member would form another forum of the same type to supplement and be pals, but was rather disgruntled. Which of any forum that is better than another is a matter of personal opinion.

Doug summed it all up as to what and why. Members have come and gone before for rules violations. It's their choice if they are given a warning. Bending the rules would make this place a mad house.

I made a joke about building bridges, and that is all it was.
 
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 09, 2010, 01:46 PM:
 
Personally I would like to see things smoothed out a bit more on the forum with the view of hopefully lifting the said ban.

I have been a member here for a few years now and have enjoyed it. I do try to contribute as best as I can just like most folks, but at times there is not much to talk about and this is one.

I dont see the 8mm forum dying and if anyone thinks it is then do something, Dan, John, and the rest of you here...start a topic this week and I promise I will add one next weekend [Eek!] how about it...chaps? [Wink]

Lastly [Roll Eyes] I am happy with both forums and I dont see one being better than another and will continue to bounce from one to another.

Thats all folks. [Wink]

Graham.
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 09, 2010, 02:00 PM:
 
Graham,

I have replied and started other posts. Unfortunately, when a member starts another forum of the same type, it does cause friction when there are circumstances like the ones that transpired lately. Posts like this come up and some members want the rules either bent or ignored. That would not be fair to other members. [Smile]
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 09, 2010, 02:12 PM:
 
Unfortunately, the situation will now arise whereby users of both forums will start a topic on either one or the other - not both, which would of course get the widest discussion going - for fear of duplication.

Reading that back, I appear to have got a little tongue twisted, but, hopefully my meaning will come across.

I enjoy both forums but there are members on each who do not belong to the other and whose input I might value for the discussion I choose to start.....now I'm getting a headache...
[Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 09, 2010, 02:42 PM:
 
What I meant Dan was that some of the most knowledgeable members of this forum are no longer here. Sorry if you find that insulting - it was not meant to be, I thought I was just stating the obvious really.
 
Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on March 09, 2010, 03:42 PM:
 
As you might have noticed I have held back from posting (in general) regarding this mess. Please, come to agreement, finalize and return to normal.

Post where you wish & what you want.

Do not copy anything with out permission.

If I missed a point somewhere, so be it and you can certainly set me straight.

Just please, dimm the lights, set the frame, focus, sound up & pass the popcorn

-cg- [Smile]
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 09, 2010, 03:54 PM:
 
Michael,

That was a mind boggling post. [Big Grin] Can you say "Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers"? [Big Grin]

John C. wrote...

quote:
In case anyone missed it, the members who have been banned are the ones that in the main gave this forum its value.
That could insulting to some members.

quote:
What I meant Dan was that some of the most knowledgeable members of this forum are no longer here.
That is not insulting, but debatable. [Smile]
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 09, 2010, 04:17 PM:
 
Right....if you lads don't stop it, I'm going to attempt again to say what I meant to try and say above....and that could have future duplication..erm..implications...

[Smile]
 
Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on March 09, 2010, 04:39 PM:
 
Michael go ahead, try and repeat what you thought you said to convey the thought you originally had in mind a second time. [Confused]
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 09, 2010, 04:42 PM:
 
Now...where was I???
...or....where am I??? I'll accept either!!

[Confused]
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on March 09, 2010, 05:00 PM:
 
If you see me before I return please let me know if I got back okay. Otherwise, I'll not know if I made it there before you saw me leave. [Confused] [Eek!] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 09, 2010, 11:29 PM:
 
I thought that went rather well!

My years of moderating experience tell me that when the replies start to resemble something out of Jabberwocky, a thread has run its course. I'm closing this now but will leave it here for a day or two for those who missed out on the fun.

It is time to return to what we all do best. Brag about our films, cameras and projectors, answer questions from friends in need of assistance, and enjoy the company of those who share in this great hobby.

Doug
 


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