8mm Forum: Mark's Steel Boxes.

This is topic Mark's Steel Boxes. in forum General Yak at 8mm Forum.

To visit this topic, use this URL:
https://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=003586

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 28, 2015, 03:59 PM:

Mark, in all my many years since seeing "Mad Max", far too young I may add, as kid, at my "spoilt" friends house on VHS, to seeing these boxes, all I can say is...WOW!

My good friend of more recent years brought around "Mad Max" on Blu-ray last year, and despite my reservations, I found the film beautifully photographed, engaging and challenging.

Only seeing this on 35mm print or Blu-ray can the audience appreciate what is being offered.

To some tastes, or not, but my goodness what a film when seen properly!

Forget formats; what a challenging and beautifully orchestrated piece of fiction when seen properly.

And I'm sorry, but Blu-ray and good HD projection (D-ILA) is the only domestic answer.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 28, 2015, 04:16 PM:

Is D-ILA projection far better than the other technologies Rob?

I have always been satisfied with the later LCD machines with no visible screen door effect but I know the picture from the JVC machines is exceptional. How do they all compare in your opinion including Lcos?

Really nice box Mark BTW on Mad Max..a great film from my teenage years along with another I watched first on my friends "top loader" ..The Warriors.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on July 28, 2015, 05:38 PM:

You can get the Hobbit blu ray now for around £5/£6 steelbook from Amazon and it truly is lovely.

I`m waiting for a few small real films in the post, nothing to beat that feeling ( what daft buggers we are !!! really )but its the tangiable thing thats bitten me with these steeley jobs.And the art work.

A few really nice cheapies at the moment you might wish to avail yourself off all with Blu Rays in, and over £20 free post, if you have prime even better.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ho bbit-Unexpected-Journey-Limited-Steelbook/dp/B00BC0501Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438122186&sr=8-1&keywords=Hobbit+steelbook

http://www.amazon.co .uk/Zatoichi-Limited-Steelbook-Tadanobu-Asano/dp/B00GZ5MOVW/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1438122238&sr=1-1&keywords=zatoichi+steelbook

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wit hnail-Limited-Embossed-Steelbook-Blu-Ray/dp/B00D7DTZBM/ref=sr_1_4?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1438122317&sr=1-4&keywords=steelbook

http://www.amazon.co.uk/13-Assa ssins-Limited-Steelbook-Blu-ray/dp/B00GZ52TGM/ref=sr_1_9?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1438122342&sr=1-9&keywords=steelbook.

I have Mad max 2 and 3 and both cost me just under a tenner posted Blu Rays. But still slowly early days etc.

Though as I mentioned I have pre ordered DR who and the Daleks SB its only £2 odd pound more than normal BR pack one.

For me its all about the films and the filmie buzz as well. Goes nicely with our real hobby.

Best Mark.

PS the card at the top and or bottom lifts away for a full length picture etc.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 29, 2015, 01:51 AM:

"good HD projection (D-ILA) is the only domestic answer"

Andrew, I do mean any good HD projector, but I am biased toward JVC D-ILA. Having tried the rest, I reckon it's the best!

It just gets everything right and exceeds with black levels and shadow detail. Even better than Sony's own LCOS system.

That said, I know the Panasonic LCD range is exceptional.

I really feel like I'm seeing many older movies properly for the first time (eg. been watching many of Brian Depalma's early works from Arrow video - stunning quality).

I mean I'd love pristine 16mm or even 35mm prints, but they just can't be found or are unrealistic.

Long live real film, but I'm so glad we have the technology we do today - it allows us to fully appreciate the skill that went into making movies like "Mad Max".

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on July 29, 2015, 10:28 AM:

Andrew and Rob, I've been very pleased with my JVC D-ILA -- the quality of which has served to re-awaken my interest in movie collecting/screening. (Plus, the viewing of live sporting events on "the big screen" only adds to the thrill!)

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 29, 2015, 12:31 PM:

John, I find the image very filmic, which is another reason I like it so much.

When you think back to those first affordable LCD projectors (l like the sharp XV Z1) it's just a different world.

I've had my JVC six years now and I still love the image it produces.

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on July 29, 2015, 02:23 PM:

Agree, Rob, the JVC D-ILA does project a great image -- absolutely jaw-dropping quality.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 29, 2015, 02:46 PM:

Thanks Rob & John for the feedback on the JVC technology.

As said previously, I've always remained loyal to the panasonic range of projectors since my first (PTAE 700), but I would have to reconsider this choice in the future based on your comments and expertise.

There is no doubt that the panasonics of today are a world away from even there own early models let alone the infamous XVZ1E
that many including myself started out with.

But with these other technologies coming to the forefront in recent years, the choice is no longer an easy and straightforward one for me as once was in the days of LCD or Single Chip DLP which for me, there was only ever one option due to rainbow effect.

I have become something of digital dinosaur in recent years simply because I have been very happy with my aging Panny whilst building up a collection of real films and super 8 projectors again in the more recent years and therefore you cannot justify buying the best in both worlds at any one time, least of all I can't [Big Grin]

This technology is certainly one I hope to "test drive" though when the time is right for change in our digital journey here.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 29, 2015, 03:29 PM:

I remember bringing home the Z1, Andrew, with such high hopes.

Then of course the dust ingresion started, the failed pixels and the total lack of black level.

So I moved to one of the first DLP's, which whilst far from perfect, at least didn't project a new speck of dust every time you fired it up. It was a 4:3 panel and the 16:9 mode did introduce some noticeable jaggies, so I fitted an 16:9 anamorphic camera lens in front and it did well for many years.

Next an Optoma HD which was a nightmare. A 6x colour wheel reduced rainbow somewhat, but it is always there with single chip DLP (although newer LED light source versions don't suffer as the light source no longer needs to be split with a colour wheel).

Anyway, I had so many problems with it that I went to audition the InFocus competitor, but rainbow was awful (4x colour wheel).

That's when the guy in the shop recommended JVC and to be honest I nearly laughed out loud. JVC??

But they loaned me a demo model for a week and I loved it.

After a little research I learned that JVC had really mastered LCOS.

In fact, when The Phantom Menace premiered digitally back in 1999, some theatres ran it with 3 chip DLP, whilst others went with JVC D-ILA.

I looked at Sony LCOS, but it just wasn't as good.

I did worry about dust ingresion, but it hasn't ever been an issue.

JVC projectors have gone from strength to strength and when replacement time comes, I'd never go back to anything else.

Mine did need some calibration originally to get the colours right, but that's nothing unusual.

6 years on, I still love powering it up for a show.

Although, as you know, Andrew, I still love my Beaulieu too!

[ July 30, 2015, 04:09 AM: Message edited by: Rob Young. ]

Posted by Mark Silvester (Member # 929) on July 29, 2015, 03:38 PM:

Hi all

Well, I first started out with PT-AE100...the first Panasonic and that was way back in 2004 and it cost me a bit...and I bought a lot after that. Mark Todd will verify..that was in my days of "Silvo Screen"..when everyone wanted to crucify me! Lo..for talking about vid/projection..that was then - this is now..hopefully times have changed.

It was something I talked about and discussed with Derek right up until the day before he went into hospital..

I had a couple of Epsoms(LCD's) - very good.

But, I fell hard with the DLP's...too much rainbow and I pick it up easy vision wise. Digital projection has come on so much. I just love my movies...big screen and being entertained...that is my agenda.that is why I keep a little bit in 8mm...almost returning to the beginning. Lol [Smile]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on July 29, 2015, 03:41 PM:

The JVC,s are supossed to be superb, and when I look at what my basic model projector can do, they must look amazing !!!

I remember seeing the Z1 in action, and it was like watching grapes bobbling about and £1000 as well.

My first was a Sony CS2 SVGA and 600 or 650 luems and was used 8 feet wide for a few years and was rather good around 2002 on.

I myself think LCD projection looks very filmic, I suppose its like 3 film frames lined up instead of one almost.

I hear the Sony VPL-HW40ES is supposed to be fantastic for the price but way way and a bit further beyond me.

Best Mark.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 29, 2015, 03:46 PM:

The Epsons are very good I know Mark.

They share the same panels as the Panasonics in recent times.

Rob, thanks for all that information and you are so right of course, the dust ingression on the Z1E was nothing short of ridiculous! Mine spent as much time at a specialist LCD projector repair centre near Oldham for panel cleaning and realignment as it ever did in use! [Big Grin]

Mark, the Sharp XVZ1E (still in my loft as an eventual museum piece), cost originally £3000. I thought I had a bargain obtaining mine 6 months old ex demo for half price!
For what I got out of it, it was the worst waste of £1500 in my life on anything AV.

[ July 29, 2015, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Mark Silvester (Member # 929) on July 29, 2015, 03:50 PM:

Hi, Mark

well as you know - I started out with the 3M in 2002 because Derek introduced to his son Adrian through that model....so I would like to know when others started "time-wise" in digital p/j...because I always thought you and I and perhaps Dave Alligan were out on our own for a few years...how times have changed.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on July 29, 2015, 03:57 PM:

Hi Mark I remember when you got the 3M and I got the sony at about the same time and we could,nt believe how good they were at that point.

I think around the very late nineties/2000 there was a sudden shift up qaulity wise.

I`ve never tried DLP as my eyes are quite fussy and I heard and read so many tales of rainbow, probably some from yourself.

The Hitachi,s do a very nice job as well LCD wise but are now moving more in to DLP and I don`t think thier current LCD models are as good as one generation back.

NEC LCD projectors are also very good, and very quiet as well.

Best Mark..

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 29, 2015, 04:02 PM:

In the modern era, for home cinema use, I don't think you can better either the Panasonic's or Epson's so far as LCD technology is concerned.

Their latest models are very good indeed!
the price point though has also significantly increased since the advent of 3D projectors in their ranges.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 29, 2015, 04:50 PM:

I started with digital and the Z1 in 1998.

Like Andrew, it spent so much time being repaired that I think I bought more super 8 features that year than any other!

[ July 30, 2015, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: Rob Young. ]

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 31, 2015, 02:57 AM:

From JVC's web site;

What is D-ILA?

D-ILA, or Direct-Drive Image Light Amplification, is JVC-developed technology that delivers unmatched performance, with natural color reproduction, an image so smooth that it rivals film, and contrast that does justice to the most demanding program material. Since our first D-ILA projector was launched in 1997, the technology has been employed where nothing but the cleanest, sharpest, most accurate image would suffice. Today, some of the industry’s most sophisticated projectors from the most respected manufacturers use D-ILA technology licensed from JVC.

"D-ILA is liquid crystal technology, but it’s very different from the liquid crystal display (LCD) technology found in many products today. D-ILA is what’s called liquid crystal on silicon, or LCOS, but JVC made several improvements to basic LCOS technology to develop D-ILA. At its heart is the D-ILA device, or chip, designed and manufactured by JVC. Every JVC D-ILA projector uses three D-ILA devices, one each for red, green and blue – the three colors that are combined to create the full color palette."

http://dila.jvc.com/

PS. I'm not trying to turn the 8mm forum digital...I still love film!!! [Wink]

UBB.classic^TM 6.3.1.2