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Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on August 13, 2015, 12:15 PM:

Hi all,

saw this trailer the other day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnRbXn4-Yis) and, knowing Tranatino, I wasn't surprised it would be shot on celluloid. The question I have, however, is this: at the conclusion to the trailer, it says to "Watch it in glorious Ultrascope Panavision 70". Seeing as almost every major movie house has gone digital, does he mean to do so literally :/? Anyone?

Best,
ET

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on August 13, 2015, 12:34 PM:

A 100 cinemas in the US will be retrofitted with 70mm machines and the film will be shown before the dig(pukes a little)ital will be shown. Thumbs up for Tarantino

Posted by Mark Silvester (Member # 929) on August 13, 2015, 02:07 PM:

Hi all

Tarantino...indulges...and he loves film..and they like to indulge him like any whilst they are winning - but the companies main aim is "monetary wise" and their focus will have to be "mainstream"..worldwide cinema.which is holding it's pants "up" digital wise..I cannot see for the life of me retro installing in 100 cinemas.but hmm.70mm..nice experience..but for 1 film, c'mon! - it's an advertising plug/William Castle gimmick!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 13, 2015, 02:34 PM:

I think what Vidar said is true although it is not 100 but 50:

http://www.slashfilm.com/hateful-eight-70mm/

Bussiness wise it is still make a sense because many 70mm copies are still around and they can just rerun old movies to make $$$.

I don't know how is in the UK Mark but as I have been Canada, you can be sued to make false information in marketing promotion.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on August 13, 2015, 03:26 PM:

I'm not sure how many in London Still have 70mm other then NFT1/2 and the BFI Imax, hopefully the Imax will show it from film.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on August 13, 2015, 05:07 PM:

I read 50 first too, but someone corrected me to 100
http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/12/hateful-eight-70mm-premiere/z

Do this link take you to the right place? I clicked it myself and didn't get what I expected. This is what's written there anyways

It's no secret that Quentin Tarantino prefers film over digital, and he's underscoring that point with the planned debut of The Hateful Eight. The director kicked off a San Diego Comic-Con panel with a video revealing that his Western was not only shot on giant 65mm film, but will screen in 70mm film before any other format. This will be a roadshow-style release where 100 theaters will put on a special show that might even recall the golden era of film, with overtures and intermissions. It'll expand to other formats after two weeks.

As for why Tarantino didn't go with smaller film stock? He argues that 70mm is good not just for dramatic outdoor vistas, but also for indoor scenes. It makes them "more intimate [and] more vital," which is important when The Hateful Eight is mostly set in one building in Wyoming. Tarantino adds that he also saw 70mm as a bargaining chip that would keep his movie on film. "I figured if I shoot in 70, they'll have to release it in 70," he says.

Not that he's completely averse to joining the modern era. At the Comic-Con panel, he explained that he saw digital projection as "HBO in public." If he eventually has no choice but to shoot in a TV-like digital medium, he might as well cut the middleman and produce for TV. It's just as well, he adds -- this would give him an opportunity to shoot larger stories instead of cutting things down for the movie theater. There's no indication that Tarantino is about to make a career switch (he notes that any talk of him calling it quits is premature), but you now know where he'd go if celluloid went away.

[ August 14, 2015, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Vidar Olavesen ]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 14, 2015, 01:19 PM:

Good to hear, and great to see Kurt Russell in a new film. He's been largely missing for a few years!

Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on August 14, 2015, 04:09 PM:

Winberts link mentions that Tarantino 'helped' to get the 50 projectors into cinemas. Did he make a financial contribution and are spare projectors obtainable as easily as that. Can't think there's many cinemas here still able to run 70mm. Unless I'm mistaken, our local Odeon retained their 70mm machine, but I could be wrong.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 14, 2015, 06:38 PM:

Vidar your link has additional "z" at the back making this become a dead link. The correct one is:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/12/hateful-eight-70mm-premiere/

Cheers,

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on August 14, 2015, 06:42 PM:

Thanks. Weird, I cut from address line

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on August 14, 2015, 06:43 PM:

Thanks. Weird, I cut from address line

Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on August 18, 2015, 11:15 AM:

Hi guys,

thanks a ton, as always, for the enlightening me [Smile]

!!!

Best,
Elyas

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on August 18, 2015, 03:46 PM:

I really would of thought the way to go these days with filming was to shot all films on 70mm negative. Imagine the qaulity ( even once to digital, sorry ).

Also the Archival benifits of 100+ years polyester 70mm current stock.

I would imagine 70mm real negative or film must beat 4K etc.

Best Mark.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on September 14, 2015, 02:09 PM:

No mention of them showing this film yet, but the Cinema Theatre Association magazine has a news item that the Prince Charles cinema of Leicester Square in London has installed 70mm projection to show 2001: A Space Odyssey on 19th Sept It is sold out now but more 70mm films are being programmed www.princecharlescinema.com.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on September 14, 2015, 11:49 PM:

They WANT to get 100 screens, but as of right now the realistic goal is 50 because so many of the projectors were trashed the guys rebuilding are apparently having quite the time cannibalizing the machines to build enough good projectors (plus lamphouses and platters).

The prints are standard 5 perf, but with a 1.25x anamorphic. New lenses are having to be made for this release. That being said, these 50 (or 100) projectors are dts only...no mag sound. So older prints (if they exist) are out. Only the recent dts stuff, and they only ever did maybe a dozen titles in dts. Plus their lensing wouldn't be right, as these prints have the 1.25 anamorphic on them.

So in short, they are just for this one movie. Rep series on these machine is seriously unlikely.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on September 15, 2015, 02:41 PM:

5 perf with 1.25x anamorphic sounds like the machines that used to show Ben Hur and single projector "Cinerama" titles, not with DTS though.

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on September 15, 2015, 02:50 PM:

All of this undertaking for just one movie? -- wow.

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 15, 2015, 03:05 PM:

I've been helping the distributor of the film here to locate the last few 70mm machines available on our shores. Some DP70s, Fp75s and Vic8s have resurfaced thanks to the help of private collectors and a handful of art houses.
There will be at least one (maybe two) complete set-ups that will be travelling from one venue to another for limited engagements.
ST270 platters (the most common here) are coming out of storage.
DTS timecode readers are harder to find. But I'm quite confident as the person in charge is a top guy.
As far as anamorphic lenses are concerned, I'm earing that the Weinstein Company have committed to deliver said lenses. I have the feeling that these will be digital anamorphic attachments retroffited for the occasion. That is going to be a very costly release...

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on September 16, 2015, 01:26 PM:

By digital anamorphics, I assume you mean the ones that were used in the original 1280x1080 pixel DLP units that fitted to older 35mm lamphouses. They needed them because the native display from the chip was 4:3.

Posted by Mark Silvester (Member # 929) on September 16, 2015, 02:05 PM:

Hi all

so is he "Tarantino" paying for all this...finding the machines..."leg work" involved for the people who are doing this? It sounds like a step to far...really!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 16, 2015, 02:15 PM:

Even if this is essentially happening for one film, I expect Tarantino hopes it might cause others to follow in his footsteps, inspiring further such releases. Irrespective of whether everyone actually agrees, it sends out a strong message to the general public that a release on film can beat anything else. Is it known if it will also be screened in 'proper' IMAX cinemas? If so, Tarantino is presumably going to insist that it's screened via genuine IMAX prints and not via the digital version that I believe is taking over even in the huge-screen venues.

Certainly it's an initiative that hopefully Forum members will support. Perhaps we should suggest to him that the initial home viewing release is on Super 8, a few weeks before any DVD/Blu-ray!

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 16, 2015, 05:31 PM:

Brian: no.
Originally, cinemascope in digital format is supposed to be obtained by placing a 1.25x optical anamorphic in front of of the regular lens in order to maximize the full digital matrix (which has a 1.9 ratio, in 2K, it's 2048x1080).
However, it's a big motorized beast that can be temperamental. It is very seldomly used. A lot of venues have either dumped its use or never used it. In most cases nowadays, the scope format is obtained by zooming into a letterboxed image to fill the screen.
The attachment is also useless now since the ratio for cinemascope has evolved from 2.35 to 2.39, and is even now in 2.40. And we see more and more intermediate ratios: Jurassic World was in 2.0, Tomorrowland was in 2.20.
In 2K, digital scope is 2048x858 pixels. In comparison, the Flat format is 1998x1080 (and therefore projects more pixels on screen).

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on December 26, 2015, 03:41 PM:

Thanks to Bruno from this forum, I was lucky to be able to go with him to North of France to see one of the very few 70 mm projections in Europe (there were only three projections today, two originally scheduled but due to the success, a third one was added, then the precious 70 mm copy had to travel to another place). We did appreciate the film and the projection quality (nothing can beat filmstock experience). We were allowed to go in the projection room and see how 70 mm is projected. Magic experience of course. If you have the opportunity to see this film as it should be seen, don't hesitate one second !

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on December 27, 2015, 03:53 AM:

That reminds me of when Ben Whale brought his 70mm projector to the BFCC we could watch him lace up and show a reel or two at the convention.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on December 27, 2015, 05:32 AM:

SPECTRE was also shot in Panavision for archive purpose then transferred to digital for release. The same was done for The Judge. I worked on The Judge as an extra and spoke with the cameraman and he gave me the info. Goes to show you that the confidence is still in film!

Posted by Guy Taylor, Jr. (Member # 786) on December 27, 2015, 02:19 PM:

Warner Brothers has announced that they are considering releasing BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE on 70mm.

Posted by Michael Hyde (Member # 748) on January 03, 2016, 09:13 AM:

I was asked to watch this film with a friend over xmas, and I must warn you of the graphic sex act which is quite distastefull and not at all necessary in my opinion,tho not easily offended,this scene will offend a few and not what you would want to view with your wife /gf. Beautifull location scenary, spoilt by obscenity....be warned....

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 03, 2016, 09:38 AM:

Obscenity in the Hateful Eight ??????

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on January 04, 2016, 08:06 AM:

its Tarantino...that is one of his trademarks..obscenity and some graphic scenes. Its not called the "Happy 8"! [Smile]

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on January 05, 2016, 10:47 AM:

Being promoted with this sort of 'mock-up' 70mm film strip. Certainly they are making a big point of the film presentation...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141868611185?_trksid=p11400.c100175.m3015&_trkparms=aid%3D333008%26algo%3DRIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140218130328%26meid%3Dbabd43b7c18046a3b0f4698c037f1d5 c%26pid%3D100175%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D371515658738

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 05, 2016, 01:32 PM:

I agree with you Micheal on that one scene. The scene could have just had the material spoken about, with reactions back and forth between the scenes, without graphically seeing it. A lot of cussing, but that's a Quentin film for you. The overall story, however, wasn't too bad. I thought one of the high points was that Ennio Morricone (of so many classic western scores) contributed to the score of hateful 8!

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 08, 2016, 06:22 AM:

I've just seen it advertised in the morning paper listing that the Odeon Leicester Square is showing this from a 70mm print.

Posted by Jamie Biggs (Member # 3778) on January 10, 2016, 11:16 AM:

From what I've been reading, there is only 1 print of the 70mm roadshow version in the whole of the UK. It's currently being screened at the Odeon Leicester Square, then will move to the Edinburgh Filmhouse in February. I'm fortunate in that I live within easy reach of London, so needless to say I'll be going there!!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on January 11, 2016, 04:40 PM:

One in the UK is a very limited release compared to the USA! Anyway, I'll be going on the 14th. I'm trying to find out if it will be available on 35mm in the UK, as I might be able to make a case for 35mm screenings in Croydon.

Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 11, 2016, 05:39 PM:

That one scene was indeed graphic, but who could expect less from Quentin?

I thought Ennio was fantastic on the score.

Unfortunately I had a poor viewing due to improper masking and underwhelming screen at Cinema Village East.

I was informed the Regal E walk's Presentation was fantastic.

Unfortunate this projection was butchered in so many unprepared theatres

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on January 12, 2016, 11:12 PM:

Saw Hateful 8 in 70mm and looked fantastic. Only Tarantino can make you laugh at someone being blown away. Re: the graphic sex scene I personally didn't find it that bad but that's my opinion. A girl sitting next to me didn't seem to either but did leave about 10 minutes before the end after the massive blood shed kept going. I suspect she wasn't able to stomach it. Wild film! Highly recommend!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on January 16, 2016, 12:00 PM:

I can certainly now recommend seeing it at London's Odeon Leicester Sq, sop long as you don't mind a cool temperature. Excellent presentation and nice to have the souvenir programme.

As I'd read the comments about the sexual scene here, it didn't seem as bad as I feared. It's shocking but not really graphic as there isn't nudity at the time.

Does anyone know if the non-roadshow version is DEFINITELY 2.76:1, as this might influence whether a local community cinema with modest-sized screen that I'm involved in screens it. The film's Wiki page says the non-roadshow version has different takes of certain shots, so I wondered whether this might mean that this version could perhaps be 2.39:1? And has anyone heard of any 35mm prints circulating, other than the one Tarantino is showing at his own cinema?

[ January 17, 2016, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on January 17, 2016, 03:30 AM:

Like Adrian, I too saw it at the Odeon Leicester Square, London. I loved the welcome from the stage by a young lady and the presentation couldn't be faulted. The Cinema was cold but when I mentioned it to an usher they took me upstairs to the circle and it was beautifully warm!! As far as the film was concerned, I found it slow, long, and more like a stage performance. It started out as a read screenplay in a hotel. Not much to my liking but the visuals were impressive.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 27, 2016, 11:53 AM:

I'm just back from seeing this at the Odeon Leicester Square, early show. It seems to be warmer there now.

I sat right at the front to get the full effect of the wide screen, though it seemed they lowered the masking instead or as well as opening out fully as most 70mm films would have been 2.2:1. By the time I got in there was a DLP presentation of Odeon welcome/please turn your phone off. The adverts and trailers were disappointing as the aspect ratio and size (both width & height) of picture varied with the screen at full width. They did close the curtains before the feature so there was something of a "show". It was great that I could look up at the projection box and see a projectionist looking out as the DLP machine went dark and the 70mm started.

From where I sat the overture did show up a slight unsteadiness compared to the non-film start as there was a static picture with a stagecoach just at the lower screen masking level, but the picture after was really good, the best looking film print I've seen since the West End showing of "The Cook,the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" which is the best 35mm 'scope print I've seen. It was also good to see the Cinerama logo at the start and the screen is slightly curved. Unfortunately two of reels had a bit of scratching nut it wasn't really noticeable after the end of the snow scenes.

The snow was really bright and made me think it would have been better to have been shot at the TodAO 30 frames/second as there was slight flickering at that brightness level. I thoroughly enjoyed the experience and looked up the dates for "70mm revival" showings at the Prince Charles cinema on the way home.

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