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Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 17, 2016, 05:35 AM:
What's your preference when it comes to threading film.
Manual or Auto ?
Mine is manual any day given a choice. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 17, 2016, 05:38 AM:
Auto ...as you know, but only on certain machines...as you also know! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Richard C Patchett (Member # 974) on November 17, 2016, 12:41 PM:
Greetings
Auto Load, If adjusted right. but to get a film out that has not been completed its a little ruff
To save film i run it forward to the end.
RC
Posted by Barry Fritz (Member # 1865) on November 17, 2016, 01:02 PM:
I like slot loaders. Best of both worlds.
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 18, 2016, 02:31 AM:
David
What gauge are you referring to?
Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on November 18, 2016, 11:03 AM:
I prefer manual, it's not that hard to load a projector. I've had much more film damaged in an auto feed machine than a manual one. I haven't seen many manual Super 8 projectors though, so with limited options I'm kind of stuck with auto feed.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 11:12 AM:
Auto thread on Super 8mm can be flawless time after time on a decent machine kept in decent condition.
I have posted video footage before now proving beyond any doubt that this can be and indeed,is the case.
This included film of all different thicknesses, stretched perfed films and even film coiled the wrong way around.
Manual threading is a complete pain in the butt for showing short films.
Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on November 18, 2016, 11:27 AM:
Give me auto threading every time. My B/H has never damaged a film and is a gem. My Super 8 projector is a manuel Fumeo 9119. Superb little machine. 200 watt lamp and excellent sound. Run a good Disney print and you'd think it was 16mm.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 18, 2016, 11:47 AM:
Hi Maurice.
In reply to your question ... on any gauge.
Dave Groves I second that. I too use Fumeo 9119 for Super 8mm and Bell and Howell for 16mm . Although I do manual thread.
Like your experiences they have never damaged a print yet. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 18, 2016, 02:17 PM:
David's question is rather loaded. If I order a new car I can choose manual or auto gearbox, but with a Super 8 or 16mm sound projector you are stuck with what you get.
Most 16mm auto-loads can be manually laced, but for Super 8 projectors, in the main, this is a no-go.
I have a Fumeo 9119, but I hate its manual threading, it is so finicky having been originally designed as a 16mm projector. In fact when I lace it I remove the door to give a bit more room.
Another big problem with some Super 8 auto-loads is that you cannot remove a film once laced, either carry on, or run backwards. Not an ideal situation.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 02:28 PM:
Of course you can Maurice!
I remove part projected films on odd occasions from Beaulieu and Bauer machines with relative ease.
To be honest, I am always annoyed when I'm forced to do this as it generally means something unexpected has cropped up in life and has interrupted a feature screening etc.
I cannot understand besides the above mentioned reason, why anyone would ever want to continually part project a film???
Surely when you load a film, you factor in that you've actually got the time to watch and enjoy it?
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 18, 2016, 02:52 PM:
Note that I said "some Super 8 auto-loads".
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 02:54 PM:
Which ones don't allow you to remove a film part projected?
Though some are more difficult than others, I've never seen or owned any where you cannot remove a part projected film.
All the ones I've ever seen at least allow some kind of provision for this action.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 18, 2016, 03:07 PM:
Andy, the Eumig 800 series cant have the film removed once its in there, one of the few to not be able to. Other than that they great little machines as long as those stupid flywheel discs dont slip,
I guess as we have always had auto loaders i do love em, cant see the point of manually loading, but that said, the professional projectionist will always opt for the manual load. My 16mm Elf can be loaded either way but i always use the auto loader. Never had a problem in over 35 years.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 03:19 PM:
The Eumig 800 series must be the ones Maurice was referring to then Tom.
I did have one year's ago but I honestly can't remember detail about it now. I know I didn't particularly like it, I remember that much.
I can understand why cinema projectors would be better being manually laced but not for use in home environment where convenience and ease of use for the layman are paramount.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 18, 2016, 03:19 PM:
I guess I am a bit "old fashioned" when it comes to projector
lace -ups.
I simply love the "hands on " method of manual threading and
making the film loops the correct size.
Its all part of the overall enjoyment for me when it comes to
projecting a film.
A bit like when I play a vinyl lp record. I like the whole thing
of cleaning the disc first then cueing up the tone-arm into the groove.
To make an analogy I find Auto-threading a projector as interesting as loading a Compact Disc or DVD / Blu-Ray disc
into a drawer in the player.
But hey that just me all over aint it ?
Yep ! those good old Eumig 700s / 800 s cant be unlaced part
way through a reel. A right old pain in the butt !
However lets not forget most early vintage Home Movie projectors
were manually laced.
The convenience of Auto threaders like Slot loaders was meant
so even "dummies" could project a film.
I am afraid this was not always true though as some numpties
could even mess this up too !
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 03:25 PM:
I must admit, I don't remember not being to do this on the machine I had, but as said, it was many many moons ago now.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 18, 2016, 03:33 PM:
Andrew you may have had a 709 or 712 these had a slot that allowed film removal.
You could not remove the film on a 706 or 710 though.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 18, 2016, 03:43 PM:
Hey Dave hope your well mate, our first old standard 8 silent eumig was manual lace, i can certainly as a professional projectionist that there could be no other way, Derek Simmonds use to sat the same.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 04:43 PM:
Mine was a 8 series Dave but I just can't remember what 8..
Until I look at some photos of Eumigs again.
Just looked it up at E.V.E and it was 810D white Super 8 only model with some boast or other surrounding the sound, HQ or something like that.
To be fair, the sound was good for a basic mono projector but I did a little overlay work on some home movies back then and I remember it did begin each time with incredible hum to the finished soundtrack. It also was prone to base scratching fairly easily also.
400ft capacity as I remember.
Not great by any means!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 19, 2016, 08:15 AM:
Tom thanks for your concern but I am on the mend ... again.
Andrew the 810D had the same mech and film path as the 710D.
Only the sound side was different.
The only way you could remove the film part way through was to
remove the metal cover plate at the sound head , remove the gate pressure aperture plate , then carefully remove the film from the sprocket wheels a right old pain in the butt !
I have never had a print scratched on my Eumigs.
Yes they do hum a bit but this could be overcome slightly
by gently bending the coils near the soundhead by trial and error.
Your 810D may have been modified in some way.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 19, 2016, 08:32 AM:
No it looked straight to my eyes David. I didn't play around with the coils though. They were as placed in the factory.
The hum only lasted until the first part of the newly introduced audio signal was sensed by the automatic recording level facility, but it was ever present and highly annoying on playback.
The only Eumig I've had so far that never scratches film in any way, not even base scratches, is the S938.
The others all have in one way or another but nowhere near to the extent, or as often as others I could mention! 😂
Posted by Ronald Green (Member # 5655) on November 19, 2016, 02:03 PM:
Only a slot load Manuel thread like my EIKI Sl-OL. To many great films to get ruin with auto thread if not adjusted right.
Always "Manuel" thread in my book.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 20, 2016, 04:11 AM:
Ronald...I would like to adapt all Auto thread machines to manual
thread.
That for me would be projector heaven. If only I had the skills
and the time.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 20, 2016, 05:50 AM:
Pointless exercise and a backward step David on many machines.
You'd be doing it merely for the reasons you suggested earlier, just to personalize the machine for your own tactile preferences.
Don't get me wrong, on an individual tailor made basis, this could be achieved for your own needs, wants and requirements.
However for the vast majority of people who use the tried and trusted mechanisms, there is absolutely nothing to be gained and a whole load of convenience lost.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 20, 2016, 06:20 AM:
Andrew its the professional projectionist in me that dislikes
auto threading.
Sorts out the men from the boys and the tools from the toys so
to speak.
They did try a form of auto threading and endless loop projection
on 35mm pro-projectors and it was a bloody joke and disaster.
They thought it would be more convenient and economic in the
long term so that any one could operate the machines and do away
with skilled projectionists to save money...FAILED !!!
The problem with convenience is that it can be retrograde in many
ways.
I mean just look at the horrible sound of CDs / Mp3 players etc
all in the name of convenience.
So for me the convenience of auto thread is a pain in arse really.
After all most of "amateur Joe Public " managed quite well with
manual threading very well to operate the projectors before the
marketing men made auto thread the norm on most machines.
In short Auto thread is nothing more than an un-necessary gimmick
that became the norm for the amateur.
There was absolutely no necessity for it and still to this day no
need for it.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 20, 2016, 10:22 AM:
We shall just have to wait and see then David how many agree on anything other than professional 35mm and 70mm kit.
As said, I can't speak for 16mm because I will never own one(By choice).
Slot loaders appear highly popular though for those that do choose to dabble with such things.
For Super 8mm, you would never change my mind.
What's said, is based on years and years of trouble free experiences when all is spot on.
In fact, had you had sampled the delights of the Beaulieu mechanism, you'd have realised that this method is actually a cross between your beloved manual thread method and the benefits and convenience of auto thread.
Sort of a kind of Hybrid method in modern day terms.
A breeze in use and an absolute delight!
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 20, 2016, 11:16 AM:
Auto thread never bothered me. I know on most 16mmor manual feed I think the 8mm gauge was too small and fidgety for that plus you had a lot of novices to film in the 1970s. I always liked a projector with a clear film path you could get at the film if anything went wrong that's why I liked the 180s with the swing lamp. You only encountered any problems with dodgy leaders or splices people had put on. From memory the very rigid green leader you occasionally encountered caused most bother with not forming a loop or causing a lot of noise going through. It got to the point I cut it off and spliced my own clear and academy leader when I saw it.
Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on November 20, 2016, 02:31 PM:
I am with David on this. Although never a "professional" projectionist, I have always preferred manual threading. It is good to have an auto loop former though on the lower loop. It is also nice to be able to see what is happening as projection proceeds. I like my Eumig 810D but it is a bind if a join goes. Also some machines are quite finicky about of the feed in trimming shape. I know ! Everyone tells me I am old fashioned. Ken Finch.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 20, 2016, 03:01 PM:
Trimming is paramount Ken you're quite right. I personally don't see this as a hindrance though I have to say.
Do once...done forever!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 20, 2016, 04:22 PM:
This is something I have tried for myself.
Gently kink some white leader in a couple of places.
Feed this into some Auto threaders and its concertina and
jam up time and time to replace the white leader.
Do the same on a manual threader ... no problems whatever.
Even when making loops of the right size.
Okay to be fair most manufacturers of Auto threaders warn of
such things and to make sure the leader is free of kinks or bends or coils.
I still view Auto threaders as an unnecessary evil and marketing
ploy and gimmick.
In fact all manufacturers could have kept costs down by not going
to the bother of designing the damned things in the first place.
Cheers Ken I will buy you a pint or whatever if we ever meet. Yes manual threading can be finicky but fun too. You get faster with practice.
Andrew I did have the chance and funds to by a Bealieu but was swayed by the build and manual threading of the Fumeo. The Mono
and Optical sound closed the sale for my needs.
I am indifferent to Stereo sound tracks as most of my favourite
films are in good old mono sound...or silent ... and Monochrome.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 20, 2016, 04:41 PM:
Men, Boys, Tools, toys...
To Concertina, or not concertina, that is the question?
https://vimeo.com/166508805
....Once again David,
just in case you didn't believe it first time of posting.
Seriously though, even a slight crease to leader etc etc should be more than manageable to ANY good healthy Auto Threading mechanism.
Incidentally, if anyone finds this video drawn out and boring, just imagine how long the manual thread version would be!!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 21, 2016, 01:07 PM:
Did you know that the first Auto Threader was manufactured
by the Eastman Kodak Company as early as 1928 ?
It was a 16mm Double perf Silent machine.
The KODASCOPE MODEL B .
It was a sales gimmick aimed at those who were very wealthy.
Some have still survived.
Andrew I did see this viddy before.
Still prefer manual threading any day.
Although Auto thread could have its uses if I become to disabled
with my hands due to arthritis or something in the future.
So until that day if it ever dawns I will always think Auto threading as a mere gimmick no matter how good it may be.
Also as I have also stated for decades ... " Auto threading is
for lazy sods or totally incompetent wanna be projectionists "
Hahahahahaha !!!
Posted by David Michael Leugers (Member # 166) on November 24, 2016, 12:01 AM:
The projectors I use the most are manual threading. In 16mm my main projector is a B+H JAN. Some may not like to thread one of these, but I love it. Same for the Kalart Victor 70 series projectors I own. I do use auto threaders like the B+H 2585 in 16mm and like them. I have more fun and enjoyment operating 8mm B+H Filmo Master projectors than I do from operating any S-8mm projector like the Elmo and Eumigs etc. I like all my projectors but I prefer manual threading most of the time for the shear fun of hands on operations like a real projectionist.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 24, 2016, 08:55 AM:
David I am glad to read you prefer manual threading to auto.
More " hands on " is the key meaning here.
I see something of a contradiction amongst some film collectors
who argue that film collecting is more tangible than collecting
DVDs / Blu-Rays. Then have a preference for auto threading
projectors rather than manual threading.
Bloody hell !!! You cant get any more tangible than the hands on
experience of manually threading a projector.
All the rest of the tangible parts of the hobby is in a way
secondary to this as far as I am concerned.
I was manually threading projectors at 12 years old and enjoyed
and still do every minute of it. So it has really nothing to do
with my career as a Professional Projectionist.
Its a shame that most collectors have in a way been forced
to accept auto thread as the "norm" due to the manufacturers
gimmicks. No need for it whatever.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 24, 2016, 09:57 AM:
OHhhhh..this one will just run and run and run forever won't it.
Here is why I find Auto thread the best method for Super 8mm projection purposes for those that got it right to begin with.
Ps it has nothing whatsoever to do whichever is the more tactile, nothing whatsoever to do with which requires even a mediocre amount of hand skills or nothing whatsoever to do with toys, boys, professional, amateur, tools or gender,manliness or any other such like spurious theories.
1/ its quicker
2/ it allows you to project any short film as well as long ones quickly and easily
3/ it never damages film when working properly
4/ because as Maurice has already aptly pointed out, threading a Super 8mm Projector by hand, time in and time out, is nothing short of a complete ball ache!
One which would completely stop me ever wanting to view any of my short films and trailers!!
Life's just too short, without making drab affairs any slower.
My Great Grandmother, used to use a mangle, how she would have loved a decent tumble dryer and electricity!
That's it, I'm done.
Nuff said!
[ November 24, 2016, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 24, 2016, 11:38 AM:
quote:
That's it, I'm done.
Can we count on that?
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 24, 2016, 11:48 AM:
On this matter Bill, you sure can!
Nobody forces you to read any of this Bill.
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on November 24, 2016, 11:49 AM:
I prefer manual threading as it totally eliminates any possibility of film damage. My only manual threading projector is my Bolex 18-5 standard 8mm, and it is a joy to thread up and run.
Of my auto-threading super 8 machines, here is how I would rate them in terms of their percentage success rate to flawlessly thread up a reel of film in good condition with no kinks but with some curvature to the leader:
Eumig S938 Stereo 95%
Eumig 820 Sonomatic 85%
Elmo GS1200 70%
Eumig 926GL 60%
As you can see I rate the Eumig 938 extremely high indeed. It seems to be incredibly reliable, accepting just about any leader thrown at it.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 24, 2016, 11:57 AM:
Oh come on guys life is not THAT short where you don't have the
time to manually lace up a projector.
Oh well there you go! Watch you don't strain yourself switching on the projector or manually rewinding that reel on the rewind arms. If you have any.
Now where did I leave that mech cranking handling for my silent
projector ?
Oh there it is by that pile of 35mm Nitrate Film Stock.
Ah !!!! Sheer Bliss.
Paul ... THANK YOU my friend. I rest my case !
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 24, 2016, 12:08 PM:
I knew Andy wouldn't be done!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 24, 2016, 12:12 PM:
Bill ... Time will tell ... Hahahahaha !!!!
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 24, 2016, 12:58 PM:
I have no "religion" when it comes to this.
I ran 35mm and apprenticed on 70mm, and yes, there you need manual threading for many reasons.
At home:
Standard-8 (Bolex M-8): manual threading, because that's what the machine offers.
Super-8 (Elmo ST-1200HD): Auto-thread, because it's my choice of projector for the sound/pic quality, and that's what it offers.
16MM (Eiki SSL and 3500 Xenon): Slot load, which is very convenient for shorter films and/or features you want to end early.
I like to play projectionist, but I also want to sit and enjoy the film without too many interruptions. That's why I have an Eiki long-play unit which works with 8- and 16-mm: so I can load up a film, sit down and watch. I keep an eye on the set-up, of course, but I don't want to work constantly when I watch the film (changeovers and such.)
Best of both worlds: running real film, and actually watching it too.
BTW, I have the Kodak Kodascope B; the auto-load works well even today :-)
Claus.
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 24, 2016, 04:36 PM:
Claus thanks for that I had a gut feeling someone here
had a Kodak Kodascope B that was still working.
I get the best of both worlds when it comes to manual threading and long play.
I get it from my Fumeo 9119 Super 8mm projector.
I do have Spondon long play arms but rarely use them these day.
I too use a Bolex M8 for my Standard 8mm silent. Its been converted
to 200 Watt quartz lighting and is very bright indeed.
One of the best machines ever made from any era I think.
Not only do I like to play at projectionist but like to play
at Cinemas too.
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 24, 2016, 05:24 PM:
I'm hard pushed to remember a manual loading super 8 projector was that when they were powered by gas???
The only super 8 projectors I ever had a problem with auto loading were
Cinerex - I was young and daft and didn't know any better and I was graduating from a Royal
Boiex - sold to me a fellow collector after I had I understood why he sold it
Eumig - you needed 3 hands to remove film even when you had digtial dexterity
Other than that the only problem I ever encountered was usually caused by other collectors flossing their teeth on the leader before they sold the film to you. Another laugh was splicing by the blind or the use of sellotape "saves splices using darning needle for sprocket holes" even manual loading can't save you there. I once found a sticking plaster mid reel. Wasn't a big one obviously he had used scrissors to cut it a bit etc and I think it had already been used. A bit of blood but it does save money for the groceries.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 24, 2016, 09:47 PM:
I was thinking ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
that if you were to convert a GS1200 to simple manual threading like the M8, that in turn could eliminate most of if not all those green guides that can when worn scratch film. A manual spring down lock for the sound head etc...mmmm food for thought
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 24, 2016, 09:54 PM:
Or Graham, simply buy Alessandro's fine machine, continue enjoying all the benefits of auto thread while also enjoying the fact, you need never worry about scratched films or worn green plastic guides, ever again.☺
Win win! 😊😊
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on November 25, 2016, 02:16 AM:
Just buy it Andrew! Clearly you want to. Save me the decision...
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 25, 2016, 02:32 AM:
My collection of films can only be protected once Steven, no matter how many of these I may have.
It'd be nice to see another's collection, similarly protected to safeguard their future.
Two machines, is already one more than you can ever use at once. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 25, 2016, 04:19 AM:
Yes you could do that Graham with the GS1200.
I have been looking at mine recently and thinking the same.
Or you could buy that one Andrew suggests then worry about
other parts of this overrated and over engineered Japanese
machine going faulty somewhere else.
Then face the problem of having to cannibalise another machine
for parts.
Great fun this 8mm hobby aint it ?
Posted by William Olson (Member # 2083) on November 25, 2016, 08:59 AM:
I definitely love slot loading but I only have it on my Elmo 16cl.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 25, 2016, 11:37 AM:
Japanese?????? Over rated, Where?????
Not in my house David!
Keep up please, David.
Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on November 25, 2016, 03:26 PM:
Well, you all seem to be thoroughly enjoying yourselves having this little debate.
I don't have much to add. I think it's fair to say that anybody still projecting Super 8 films is more than capable of threading a projector. However, auto-threading was not merely some marketing ploy. Super 8 was intended to be the format for the masses. My dear mother was not a technical person. She once expressed her befuddlement over the fact that a microwave oven could still display the time while not actually on.
I'm sure she could have mastered threading a projector if she wanted but it was all magic to her. She would have forgotten how to do it within a few months of no practice. It's much better for people like that to make things as easy as possible. There's no reason to limit the enjoyment of Super 8 or anything else to those "in the know".
And really, that's why Super 8 is now limited to hobbyists. Modern methods of movie production and consumption are far easier and more convenient.
To get on a soapbox for a little bit, I think that is one reason why pastimes like sailing are in decline. Those that have learned the skills revel too much in their mastery of it. They continue to use arcane terminology that makes it less approachable to those that might otherwise be interested. They worry too much over whether people are doing it "right" and less over whether or not they're enjoying themselves. Yet, they mourn the fact that not as many young people get into it as they used to. Want to keep sailing vibrant? Make it easy, fun, and practical.
Okay, I'm done with my mostly irrelevant rant. Carry on with your fun !
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 25, 2016, 04:02 PM:
I got a new car a couple of years ago.
Honda Civic: 1.8 Liter, 5 valves per cylinder, multiport fuel injection, nice flowing exhaust. It's a great engine!
I had to get the automatic because it's a family car and my wife and a clutch would have to lead to transmission parts scattered all over the road and smoke pouring out!
-but, this car with five on the floor would be a hoot!
Based on how much I miss the stick I had in my Mustang GT, I am feeling the manual thread argument without ever having done it myself!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 26, 2016, 03:22 PM:
Turning Japanese, I'm really turning Japanese...I don't think so!😀😀😀
https://www.bing.com/search?pc=ASWI&form=AMZNS2&q=turning+japanese
Did you have a hand in this production, Doug?
[ November 26, 2016, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 26, 2016, 04:40 PM:
The Vapors were responsible for that song. They only had two albums yet the record company still released a Best of compilation.
I believed they preferred manual threading.
Doug
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 26, 2016, 06:06 PM:
I'm sure they bloody did Doug!
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 28, 2016, 02:29 PM:
Yes that's it in a nutshell guys.
I am biased towards manual thread projectors.
I am also very Anti Japanese projectors too.
However given the resources and knowledge and funding
I would have designed the best Film Projectors ever built
on all gauges.
They would all have been designed and manufactured in Scotland.
All Manual Threaders and built from girders.
"MADE IN SCOTLAND "
Now there would be a dream come true for me. hahahaha !!!
Yes Tom you are right there. I am very "esoteric" in a sense.
Stuff made for the masses does very little for me.
Just take a look the indifferently designed TVs, Radios , Cars ,
Watches , Mobile Phones , Computers , Laptops , MP3 Players ,
in todays world and you will see where I am coming from.
So I suppose the convenience of Super 8mm film with its cartridge
loading for Cameras and Auto threading projectors could indeed
fall into that category of "film for the masses". From 1965 onwards. That was the way until the dawning of Video Tapes.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 28, 2016, 02:49 PM:
To be fair David, your great nation has produced more than its fair share of great inventors, especially in the Engineering world.
Who knows, maybe you'd have placed your name among them?😊
I can see it now,
Ladies & Gentleman, I present to thee....drum roll....
The Hardy Mag/ Opt Mono Manual 708D SC (in recognition to its birthplace!)
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on November 28, 2016, 03:04 PM:
Michty me min Andrew !
Am fairly chokit wi imotion at the thocht o' it.
Aye ! It wid hea bin a richt grand machine it wid !
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 28, 2016, 04:29 PM:
It's in the porridge Andrew as Hancock would have said.
Lang may yer lum reek Davy.
Now Heid doon arse up with this project or they will be saying Yer bum’s oot the windae
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on December 12, 2016, 04:48 PM:
Hahahahaha ! Mike I just noticed your reply.
Thanks the noo !
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