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Posted by Jerome Sutter (Member # 2346) on January 05, 2017, 01:03 PM:

Newsflash: Kodak Brings Back a Classic with EKTACHROME

January 05, 2017 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

ROCHESTER, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--To the delight of film enthusiasts across the globe, Eastman Kodak Company today announced plans to bring back one of its most iconic film stocks. Over the next 12 months, Kodak will be working to reformulate and manufacture KODAK EKTACHROME Film. Initial availability is expected in the fourth quarter of 2017.

“It is such a privilege to reintroduce KODAK EKTRACHROME Film to the cinematography community”

KODAK EKTACHROME Film has a distinctive look that was the choice for generations of cinematographers before it was discontinued in 2012. The film is known for its extremely fine grain, clean colors, great tones and contrasts.

“It is such a privilege to reintroduce KODAK EKTRACHROME Film to the cinematography community,” said Steven Overman, Kodak’s Chief Marketing Officer and President of the Consumer and Film Division. “We are seeing a broad resurgence of excitement about capturing images on film. Kodak is committed to continuing to manufacture film as an irreplaceable medium for image creators to capture their artistic vision, and we are proud to help bring back this classic.”

Kodak will produce EKTACHROME at its film factory in Rochester, NY, and will distribute the Super 8 version of EKTACHROME Film directly.

Kodak Alaris, an independent company since 2013, also plans to offer a still format KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTACHROME Film for photographers in 135-36x format. KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTACHROME Film is a color positive film, also known as “reversal,” “slide,” or “transparency” film. Unlike all of the other KODAK PROFESSIONAL Films available today, which are color negative films, EKTACHROME generates a positive image that can be viewed or projected once it is exposed and processed. This makes it ideal for high-resolution projection or presentations. It is also well suited for scanning and printing onto a range of professional grade photographic media. Availability is expected sometime in the fourth quarter of 2017. [Smile]

Posted by Paul Mason (Member # 4015) on January 05, 2017, 01:06 PM:

Brilliant news. Let's hope Kodak will distribute adequate supplies of 35mm and Super 8 in the UK.

Posted by Guy Taylor, Jr. (Member # 786) on January 05, 2017, 01:36 PM:

Yes they have also mentioned this on their Facebook page today. They are currently at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas with a prototype of the new Super 8 camera; not the model of one that they were showing last year.

Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 05, 2017, 01:49 PM:

Extraordinary news! I read about it earlier today and was ecstatic!

I hope they will make some in 120...or dare I say 220 as well

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 05, 2017, 02:28 PM:

OK....

It's NOT April 1st (that would be Kodachrome anyway, maybe with sound...), so I will say I am looking forward to it!

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 05, 2017, 03:19 PM:

Great news [Smile]

I look forward to it [Cool]

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on January 05, 2017, 03:49 PM:

I hope this leads to Regular 8mm film as well. I just shot my last cartridge of Super 8 E100D last year and my stockpile of Regular 8mm is getting low.

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on January 05, 2017, 04:35 PM:

Excellent news! Really good! It might arrive before Ferrania does!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 05, 2017, 05:46 PM:

Tiss indeed one snippet of realistic and probable good news among all of twelve months or more of Ferannia nonsense.

Well done Kodak, bring it to market asap.
Bring with it also K40 & K40S and then we're all happy!!

Never forget, WE never went away in the first place!!!!

[ January 05, 2017, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 05, 2017, 06:48 PM:

Well done Kodak, this is awesome news to the entire filmmaking community. Time to dust off my Chinon S8 camera! I personally doubt that many people will buy Ferrania if Ektachrome is available.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 05, 2017, 06:50 PM:

There is of course an alternative viewpoint to all of this before first dusting off the the 6008 Pro,

"It may seem a bah humbug reply, but this kind of news annoys the living daylights out of people like myself.

It was ONLY discontinued in 2012!

Less than 5 years ago.

So which is it Kodak???

The market for film stock is dead and therefore we can no longer justify supplying it any longer.....

Or In actual fact, we realized we dropped a serious bollock,, the market isn't in fact dead, we are now at some considerable expense, reinventing the wheel once again and we are sorry to all those who never for one second ever believed Super 8mm had already found its grave in the first place!

Either way, Kodak once again, shows no modern day vision whatsoever for knowing exactly what the specialist market ever wanted or needed continuously, without constantly swapping and changing with irrational and knee jerked executive accountant based corporate decision making!!!!

Get a grip Kodak, if you'd like us all to "keep it with Kodak"

Take a leaf out of your own book!

In life, if you believe in something, stick by it!
Derek did, and that's why he has legendary status in the world of 8mm.
Now you need do likewise Kodak"

It's about time the company gave a little respect to ALL those who lined their pockets in the first place!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 05, 2017, 10:29 PM:

I already sold all my cameras..... [Frown]

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on January 05, 2017, 11:49 PM:

Andrew why do you put a downer on this? I've noticed you often make sweeping statements which you do here. Kodak are bringing back a great product which is good news. Do you actually like film? It appears not.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 06, 2017, 02:28 AM:

Er let me think now...ah yes Simon, I think I do quite happen to like film!

Point is, whether you like it said or not,with only 5 years in between ridding themselves of the complete facility to produce super 8mm film, to then bringing it back so soon after discontinuing it, gives little to no consideration to the actual end user of this stuff and is really bad management from a company direction point of view, no matter how you may choose to gloss over it.

Let's not forget here, large companies pay an absolute fortune for market research data so that companies like Kodak can predict their marketplace better in the future and provide for it accordingly.

Large U turns, cost large amounts of what otherwise would be unnecessary investment.

Whoever they have been paying for the past 7 years to do their market research for them, needs ditching faster than quicksand.
Clearly they haven't a clue regarding their marketplace and their customer base wants and needs when it comes to traditional film products. Especially for the amateur film maker.

Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on January 06, 2017, 04:51 AM:

I shall be interested to see what arrangements are made for processing in the U.K. and just what it will cost. But certainly a step forward. I suspect that Kodak's thoughtless action in the first place has lost a great many users to the digital market who will never return. To be honest, I wonder if sales are going to justify keeping a plant running continuously. Time will tell.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on January 06, 2017, 05:23 AM:

A large-scale surprise, apart everything. New blood for Super 8.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on January 06, 2017, 08:05 AM:

Fantastic news that I hope will be embraced by people who responded to the news of the camera last year by saying "What we really want to hear is..."

I think we have to be philosophical about what happened 5 years ago; bringing it back now is far better than never and I suspect that many of the senior staff making decisions 5 years ago are long gone. Hopefully there's a more enlightened management now. Also, things go in and out of fashion and some years ago, most people wouldn't have predicted the recent announcement that UK vinyl sales have reached their highest level for 25 years!

Personally, I think the people that deserve much of the credit for this news are the high-profile directors that spearheaded the deal a few years ago that guaranteed that distributors would buy enough 35mm filmstock to make it worthwhile manufacturing it from Kodak's point of view. This, and the substantial number of Academy Award winning films shot on film since then, sent out a powerful message that film still has special qualities for discerning filmmakers.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 06, 2017, 09:13 AM:

Excellent points you make there Adrian and as Dave states above, I too just hope there is enough of a market and a decent UK support team assigned here to make this venture both a worthwhile one for Kodak as well as a long lasting one.

Here's hoping! [Wink]

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on January 06, 2017, 09:51 AM:

I hope that someone has pointed out that the film stock they are currently offering is of little use because its a negative and not a positive film stock. People who would be interested in there new camera will be more interested in shooting film and watching it on projector (old style ) not transferring it to a
card to watch on your computer, something discussed on this forum when they first proposed this new venture. I hope they have kept the striping machines too, win win and then a 200ft magazine.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 06, 2017, 10:05 AM:

That's the dream Paul.

200ft sound cartridges,..all over again! [Smile]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 06, 2017, 10:37 AM:

That was my main question, will they also have sound stripe?

I'll certainly buy at least five or more rolls, but one thing is for sure, super 8 scope all the way!!!

The really funny thing is ...

In this day and age, it will probably cost less to buy a good, decent super 8 camera, silent or sound, for the clst of the roll of film, (this is going by what prices i have seen in my local thrift stores! This stuff goes for pennies!)

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 06, 2017, 10:45 AM:

Let me know then please Osi if you see a 6008pro going for pennies. [Big Grin]

or an 814 XLS for that matter!

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on January 06, 2017, 11:25 AM:

Great to see Ekta coming back in the fold!

As far as the negative stocks in Super-8, don't discount them as they have helped keep Super-8 out there as a shooting format (and as a format, period). A number of people like S-8 as a shooting format, but may never have been interested in having a projector, let alone collecting films.
The new camera will be aimed at least partly at such people.

The negative stocks are beautiful in latitude and look; in a perfect world we would still get prints made from them, but for now we can't. With the available reversal stocks plus the negative stocks, we now have some of the best of both worlds (Kodachrome and Plus-X excepted...)

If/when I have a project that wants negative with transfer, I will shoot with that; if it is to run on my Elmo, I go to the fridge and dig out my surviving (first round) Ekta 100 cassettes or, as a first trial this spring, the Fomapan 100 B/W.

I enjoy it all, collecting included [Smile]

Claus.

Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on January 06, 2017, 12:00 PM:

I had posted many times that I believed Kodak would never bring back reversal and I was wrong, wrong wrong.

And I'm very happy about it. [Smile]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 06, 2017, 02:09 PM:

What about the more basic old Super 8 cameras? I have just read the following on a web-site:-

"Ektachrome which Kodak says will be available in the fourth quarter of this year will be timed for the delivery of their new Super 8 camera.

Ektachrome is currently announced in ISO 100 daylight stock. Whilst Kodak's new camera will presumably be able to expose the new film correctly, the same cannot be said for old Super 8 cameras, many of which expose daylight film only at ISO 40 or ISO 160."

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 06, 2017, 02:13 PM:

I shoot 100D in a Minolta XL-401, which is 40/160 only.

-exposed at 160ASA the film looks really good!

Posted by Guy Taylor, Jr. (Member # 786) on January 06, 2017, 02:39 PM:

Just confirmed. The price for the limited edition camera will be $ 2,000.00. There will be a standard camera to follow at a lower price.

Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 06, 2017, 02:52 PM:

Some cameras also have exposure compensation dials.

I guess my question would be, what would the auto ISO show up as? Will have to compare to a light meter and take it from there. Shouldn't be much of an issue.

2k for the special edition... I think I'll just find a way with my R10

Posted by Guy Taylor, Jr. (Member # 786) on January 06, 2017, 03:48 PM:

Shooting Super 8 is just an offshoot hobby for me. I am considering, at this time, getting the Rhonda Cam from Pro 8MM.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 06, 2017, 04:53 PM:

Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on January 06, 2017, 08:12 PM:

There are plenty of cameras that would expose it correctly. If in doubt you can use this handy guide about Super 8 cartridge notches to determine if your camera would handle it right and if not, what it would do and perhaps how you could compensate.

100D uses the same notch as the old ASA 160 except that it also has the "Daylight" notch. If your camera doesn't have a pin for the daylight notch, it will assume 160 ASA Tungsten.

It can be very confusing. With some cameras you have to have to set them to tungsten or indoor mode in order to get them to work right with daylight film, -which is counter intuitive. There might also be a filter key that will swing the daylight filter out of the way, - which is you want. You don't need that filter with daylight film.

Anyway, with a camera like I described (without a daylight pin), as long as the daylight filter isn't being used, the film will be over exposed by 2/3 stop but otherwise OK, - which isn't the end of the world.

FWIW I paid a premium for some old 100D this past summer and used it with a camera from 1967. It turned out fine.

Like I said, it's confusing and I hope I didn't get it wrong. [Wink]

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 07, 2017, 03:04 AM:

I have an original Halina Super 8 camera with manual exposure and removal of the daylight filter. No zoom but ideal for this film, except in bright sunlight where a neutral density filter would be needed.

I only hope developing kits will be available, I would like to try up/down rating the film.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on January 07, 2017, 04:38 AM:

Can you run prints from reversal film. I think so.

As might be better for super 8 releases as well.

Best Mark.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on January 07, 2017, 06:56 AM:

Does anyone know for sure the new film cartridge will fit in the old style super 8 cameras?. What if they have changed its design only to fit there new range of cameras......... At 2,000 dollars they will want to sell a few of them to get there money back on this new venture, so there must be a catch surely.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on January 07, 2017, 07:49 AM:

Another point is that if Kodak are keen for people to shoot Ektachrome using the new camera, it will be important for the digital viewfinder to show conventional framing as well as the Max 8 framing that will mostly be relevant to people using negative stock.

Perhaps we shouldn't completely rule out Kodak launching a new Super 8 projector with Super 8 and Max 8 pressure plate options and with sound played in sync from the digital recording (as well as offering conventional magnetic sound), but I suspect we would need to buy a LOT of the cameras and Ektachrome first!

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 07, 2017, 11:13 AM:

With reference to film speed, I attach some details on the new camera:-

"The camera has a small scroll wheel which lets the user choose what speed the film is to be recorded. When the cartridge is sent to Kodak you tell them what speed you want it processed".

Nothing is said about returning the processed 50ft of film on a spool, but I guess they will, otherwise, what would Kodak do with all the films once they had been digitised.

http://gizmodo.com/kodak-swears-its-not-giving-up-on-that-digital-super-8-1790907907

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 07, 2017, 11:42 AM:

So, just to have this accurate, these cartridges will work on the old school super 8 cameras? (as, quite honestly, I'm not going to shell out 2,000.00 dollars for a new Super 8 cameras, as much as I love super 8).

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on January 07, 2017, 01:16 PM:

This Kodachrome magazine will be available later this month from Kodak. You can get it now if you go to CES in Las Vegas.

Kodachrome

Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on January 07, 2017, 11:58 PM:

Maurice: At first I thought that must be a mistake. Why would the speed you shot it at matter to whoever processes it? Well, it does if they're digitizing it.

Osi, my understanding is that these will be the same super 8 cartridges that they make today, just that they'll be offering Ektachrome along with Vision and Tri-X. I don't think there would be much of a market for the film if all it worked in was their $2,000 camera.

They're also going to be selling Ektachrome for 35mm still cameras and that's clearly targeted at existing film cameras.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 08, 2017, 12:22 AM:

The more I look at there new camera the more I like it. If they also also producing a cheaper model than the $2000 one I might be interested in giving it a go.

Although I still have my old Canon 512XLE this new model from Kodak is certainly very tempting [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 08, 2017, 02:53 AM:

I assume the new camera will not have a notch reader if the user has to select the film speed manually.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 08, 2017, 03:50 AM:

Tom, the speed of reversal film can be altered by the time it spends in the first development stage. A shorter time lowers the speed a longer one increases it. Pull or Push processing were the terms used. I often rated Ektachrome 160 Tungsten 35mm for stage photography work at 640 and just told the lab to process at +2.

It's not as good as having a film of the correct speed but if none is available it works. (With Ferrania you had to alter the colour developer time to adjust an altered colour balance, but that's another story)

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 08, 2017, 04:48 AM:

quote:
Does anyone know for sure the new film cartridge will fit in the old style super 8 cameras?. What if they have changed its design only to fit there new range of cameras.....

Paul, if that happens, although I doubt it, we can easily respool the stock into old cartridge and use the film with our old cameras.

This already happen with Single 8 cartridge which is totally different with Super 8 cartridge

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on January 08, 2017, 09:18 AM:

That new Super-8 camera has no chance with me, at least not at the price of $2,000. I have a Christen Reflex Intégrale DB-1, a Bell & Howell Filmo 605, a Paillard-Bolex C 8, a Paillard-Bolex H-8 Reflex 4, and I can buy Double-Eight film. I have a bunch of Regular-8 projectors which outperform every Super-8 projector in terms of durability, repairability, convenience of keeping them clean or simply neatness.

Is there a projector around that shows the “extended Max 8 gate” image Kodak claims to be so thrilling? No. So what’s the fuzz about the new camera? It has a mirrored shutter for the LCD but no optical reflex finder, Gee, how botched is that? No single frame exposure!

There’s hardly any printing service for positives off the negatives one shoots. As a real filmer I am not interested in scans. Sorry, Kodak, but for $2,000 I’d rather buy an Eyemo off eBay or so with a lot of accessories. Do offer Ektachrome in bulk rolls so I can send it through the Eyemo. You want to sell film, don’t you? And don’t forget to offer Ektachrome in 4" × 5" sheets, I have a view camera, too. Oh, wait, Fujichrome Provia 100 RDP III is the better film.

There’s one good thing Rochester still can do, bring back a true reversal black and white film on a colourless base. Grey-base PXR and TXR look bad compared to Fomapan R. Which is available in 35, 16, Double-Eight, and DS-8.

Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on January 08, 2017, 10:41 AM:

Brian,

But that's not really changing the film speed, just how it's processed and that's part of what is confusing me. Are they talking about film speed (ASA) or filming speed (FPS) ?

I got the impression it was the latter because I don't know of many Super 8 cameras that let you set the film speed (ASA) but lots that let you choose the frames per second. Having a manual setting for film speed would solve a lot of problems but is counter to the way Super 8 was intended to work. I'd bet the dial they're talking about on Kodak's new camera is an FPS setting.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 08, 2017, 11:10 AM:

Ah, I mistook film speed (which is all I could think the processor would need to know) for filming speed, which is what you meant.

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on January 09, 2017, 05:12 AM:

I am not going to hold my breath on this one.
I hope its not to long before the facts emerge as to whats what !

Still it may be only a dream like all cinemas returning to 35mm
film as the prime means of showing movies.

[Wink]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 09, 2017, 06:36 AM:

I just read the following specs for the camera:-

Variable speeds of 18/24/25/36, all with crystal sync.

For exposure:-
A built-in light meter for supportive speeds of all Kodak film types.
Manual Speed / Manual Iris setting.

http://www.kodak.com/GB/en/consumer/Product/Product_Specs/?contentId=4294993082&TaxId=4294969683

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 09, 2017, 07:24 AM:

I have seen a report link on Facebook that suggests a speech at CES mentioned taking a look at producing Kodachrome again as well.

"The decision to re-develop Ektachrome film was an easy one...I will say that we are investigating Kodachrome. Looking into what it would take to bring it back...Ektachrome is a lot easier and faster to bring back to market so that's the one we have announced and were working on at the moment. But people love Kodak's heritage products. And I feel personally that we have a responsibility to deliver on that love...There is alot of freezer space that could get freed up now because people do not have keep hoarding their Ektachrome. You can start shooting it again because you will be able to replace that stock that you have been hanging onto.

Ekatchrome is not the last thing we are going to bring back. We are going to continue to identify those products that the world is hungry for and we are going to do everything we can to keep delivering them."

Link to audio https://soundcloud.com/the-kodakery/discussing-the-new-kodak-super-8-camera-live-from-kodak-studios-at-ces?utm_source&utm_medium&utm_campaign

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on January 09, 2017, 08:28 AM:

Good news!

Although don't forget that Ektachrome was available in many variations and some better (worse) than others.

I last shot with super Ektachrome 100D and found it a really nice fine grain stock that had a great colour response. It was hardly neutral, but the oversaturated look of primary colours made it interesting.

Kodachrome was always the super 8 Gold Standard (despite the painfully slow ASA; not surprised much older Kodachrome looks so great as most of it had to be shot in bright sunshine!!!).

But, don't forget that the major factor against re-introducing Kodachrome is the dedicated additive processing, which requires a dedicated lab and therefore seems to make any large scale re-introduction unlikely.

Ektachrome can, of course, be processed with universal E-6 processing, making it a much easier proposition, which any lab with E-6 and the right tools to handle super 8 film can process (although...how many of them are there now???)

Good luck Kodak.

I for one would certainly buy new Ektachrome 100D if the cartridge will fit my older super 8 cameras.

Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on January 09, 2017, 08:30 AM:

Great news that they will be re-releasing this film.

Here is some more info as to apparently why the camera didn't come out in the spring as expected:

"So what was the hold-up? Kodak promised me it wasn’t about manufacturing delays, but that as they heard feedback from potential users,they wanted to add in more features . One of those features is a new scroll wheel that lets you easily choose what speed you want to record you film in the camera and a trigger button on the top for users who want to record while moving quickly. The LCD screen is larger too."
http://gizmodo.com/kodak-swears-its-not-giving-up-on-that-digital-super-8-1790907907

The way i read this is that, if WE are the potential users, they it is us that caused the delay- he hee....
It also looks like they are only making 2000 of the $2000 cameras to start..... Still TOO much money KODAK if you get to reading this!!!!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 09, 2017, 12:19 PM:

This is a great thing on another whole level. I see, on ebay, that some folks are selling the last batches produced of Ektachrome for 75 dollars! (gasp), so it should become, at least, alittle more affordable, eh?

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 09, 2017, 04:07 PM:

Thanks to Brian for that intriguing audio link. Clearly the Kodak team are really fired up about this new camera, and the re-introduction of Ektachrome Super 8 film. This is a really big deal for them - and for us. I cannot wait to start shooting S8 reversal color film again, and I wish Kodak every success in this exciting project.

Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on January 10, 2017, 09:26 AM:

It is too late and expensive for me now at my age. I very much doubt if it will attract much interest from home movie makers as we are very much now in decline and the younger generations are hooked onto mobile phone and the social media. As I understand it, The film is returned as a negative, together with a DVD or whatever digital format replaces it, requiring editing on a computer and screening on a TV or video projector. Why bother! Amateur movie making has become very frustrating thanks too the constant changes of formats and planned obsolescence. ken Finch.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 10, 2017, 10:04 AM:

I agree with you Ken, but when Kodak bring back reversal Ektachrome we can all still use our existing S8 cameras, and screening the films on S8 projectors, just like the old days.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on January 10, 2017, 12:44 PM:

Indeed, Paul; when the new Kodak camera was first announced it seemed that the trend would be to emulate professional work flow by originating on a film negative and then editing digitally.

Not that I'm against this but it will be expensive and in fairness to Ken, there are indeed a lot of HD options out there which can be manipulated to make it look pretty much any way you want with relatively cheap software.

But to reiterate Paul, this announcement of the return of reversal Ektachrome film stock is the first new consideration of a shoot and PROJECT stock.

Posted by Stuart Reid (Member # 1460) on January 10, 2017, 04:05 PM:

I hear on another forum that during a Kodak podcast at CES this week they are also mooting bringing back Kodachrome. Now that would be something special.

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