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Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 27, 2017, 05:50 PM:

Tonight, the final episodes of the (excellent) British serie The Five have been broadcasted in Belgium. From the beginning, there were two horizontal black strips like when scope films were shown on the 4:3 tv sets some years ago. My question : is there a new technique that requieres a more recent tv set than the one I have or did they put these strips to make a kind of effect ?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 27, 2017, 05:53 PM:

A question very much for our good friend Rob Young to answer there Dominique. He will tell you the facts of the matter in a heartbeat!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 27, 2017, 06:48 PM:

Dom, AFAIK our today's TV screen is 16:9. If the studio broadcast a cinemascope film with ratio 2:1 or 2.35:1, of course it will have that horizontal bars.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 27, 2017, 07:42 PM:

Thanks for your answers. Winbert, what seems unusual to me is that it is a tv serie so I wonder why they would have intentionnally shoot it in a format that would end with two bars (as it seems the word "strips" was not the correct one :-)

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 28, 2017, 03:25 AM:

The series was shot as HDTV 1081i, with a ratio of 16:9.
This should fit on most wide-screen television sets without bars.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on May 28, 2017, 10:18 AM:

I have seen some BBC series that were shot in 4k that they said were not 16x9 but slightly different, so there were black bars. The one I remember was about a female coroner, but I can't remember the series title.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 28, 2017, 10:26 AM:

4K has a slightly wider aspect ratio (1.9:1) than 16:9 (1.78:1).

Doug

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on May 28, 2017, 10:55 AM:

Its a great shame that those CinemaScope television sets
manufactured by Philips a few years back never caught on.
[Smile]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 28, 2017, 12:51 PM:

If you go in places like John Lewis etc David, there are quite a few 4k Cinemascope TV's for sale there, like this Samsung one below.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on May 28, 2017, 01:43 PM:

I have a Philips 21:9, anyone else a lucky owner?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 28, 2017, 03:37 PM:

My son uses a cinemascope shaped pc monitor to do his university work upon since he began 3D modelling and motion graphics designing for his course studies.

Not the Philips TV though sorry Steven.
We use a vanilla 16:9 42" ordinary LED backlit Kind. [Smile]

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on May 28, 2017, 04:55 PM:

Stephen... that's the Philips TV i was referring to.
I wish i bought one though.

Andrew... Thanks for that information regarding the 4k set.
I wont be checking out John Lewis though. I was a long time
loyal customer of theirs. I no longer deal with them
now due to their interference during the 2014 Indy Ref #1. [Smile]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on May 28, 2017, 07:05 PM:

David, John Lewis was just an example of one such outlet for obtaining an item as this.
They can be purchased from many others.

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on May 29, 2017, 05:08 AM:

Thanks Andrew i am well aware of other suppliers of these TVs.
Cheers anyway.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 29, 2017, 06:20 AM:

I still have a HD ready tv set (so, not even an HD one). It gives me full satisfaction so I will only replace it when it will be broken or when too many programms are broadcasted with black bars. [Smile]

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on May 30, 2017, 02:20 AM:

I haven't seen "The Five", but would imagine that the choice to frame it at 2.9:1 or 2.35:1 is an artistic choice.

This choice has been made on a few drama productions over the last few years here in the UK; whether it's a wise or sensible choice for TV, albeit with increasingly large screen sizes becoming more common place, is certainly open for debate.

The BBC are moving toward broadcast of all movies produced in an aspect ratio wider than 16:9 in their original format, which I think is a sensible decision given larger HD screens.

There is also an increasing trend for advertisements to be framed in wider aspect ratios, again it's an artistic choice.

Regarding replacing your TV Dominique, if you are happy with the one you have, I would personally wait for OLED screens to become more common place and affordable.

4K LCD VA screen panels with LED backlighting are the standard, and whilst the best can offer great images, they all have viewing angle issues.

At present, the big problem with OLED is that it can't manage the high brightness levels for a convincing HDR image, but give it time (a year or two) and hopefully we'll see OLED TV's with improved brightness and a move to the HDR Dolby Vision available 4K Blu-rays and TV's, instead of the various HDR formats, such as HDR 10 which are standard at the moment and quite frankly, have issues.

QLED is a new format which held some hope, but it's based around an LCD panel and certainly the new ones still have viewing angle issues... [Frown]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 30, 2017, 04:28 PM:

The Five will be broadcasted on French television this week (Thursday on France 2 for those interested :-) ). From the trailer, it appears that there will also be two bars on the screen. Too bad I didn't know before it would be shown on the French public tv channel as, despite what happens in Belgium, they don't cut the films and series for commercials.

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