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Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on October 14, 2017, 05:54 AM:

The "Casting Couch" has been around since the birth of the movie moguls.
But, in the days of the big studious, it was a secret in Hollywood circles only, and never made public.

[ October 14, 2017, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: Maurice Leakey ]

Posted by James Wilson (Member # 4620) on October 14, 2017, 06:26 AM:

And.

Posted by Ty Reynolds (Member # 5117) on October 14, 2017, 10:05 AM:

As Tippi Hendren said in a recent interview, it's been around since the beginning of time. And it's not limited to Hollywood or the movie business.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on October 14, 2017, 10:58 AM:

Yes it happened at my old job and the owner settled out of court.
Did he change? No.. he was on good behavior for a few weeks at most and then he started right up again. Predatory guys like that will never change unless they get help and even then...who knows. In their eyes its their world and we just live in it. Glad he is getting his.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 14, 2017, 11:35 AM:

What really grabs me is all the people conveniently acting "shocked' by his behavior ...

people who took vast "donations" from him ... are shocked
people who entered the entertainment business are "shocked"

"I was a niave little girl, just off the turnip truck"

give me a break!

BTW, this kind of behavior is and never was appropriate, I'm not saying that, but the outright hippocrisy of everyone, (yeah, like his wife really didn't know what was going on), is what has gotten me. [Smile]

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on October 14, 2017, 02:33 PM:

And the biggest hippocrite of all on the subject - Hilary Clinton!

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on October 14, 2017, 05:27 PM:

Still chickens DO come home to roost. He has just become only the second person to be expelled from the Academy! ( The first was that actor that gave his VHS sceeners to a known video pirate.)

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on October 15, 2017, 02:59 AM:

I would have hoped that being suspended from the Guild would now be automatic when credible accusations were made about any member. Expulsion also automatic if convicted.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on October 15, 2017, 09:44 AM:

For those who have not read yesterday's statement.

"The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Board of Governors met today to discuss the allegations against Harvey Weinstein, and has voted well in excess of the two-thirds majority to immediately expel him from the Academy. We do so not simply to separate ourselves from someone who does not merit the respect of his colleagues but also to send a message that the era of wilful ignorance and shameful complicity in sexually predatory behaviour and workplace harassment in our industry is over. What's at issue here is a deeply troubling problem that has no place in our society. The Board continues to work to establish ethical standards of conduct that all Academy members will be expected to exemplify."

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on October 18, 2017, 12:31 PM:

I don't, even for a second, condone anything this guy did.

What surprises me though, is the fact that folk are surprised that this goes on in showbusiness.

Posted by Joe Vannicola (Member # 4156) on October 18, 2017, 10:56 PM:

Years ago, when I interviewed B movie actress Michelle Bauer for the now defunct website Red Hot Planet, she told me she knew of actresses who when going in for an audition would throw their panties on the lampshade in the producers office. So I think it swings both ways, but my, my, my, how convienient it is that Hollywood is now pointing a self righeous finger at Weinstein. The casting couch is as old as Hollywood, but only now in these supposedly "enlightened times" someone(and that someone is Harvey Weinstein) has been served up as a token strawman. Hypocracy reigns supreme!

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 18, 2017, 11:25 PM:

Darryl F Zanuk was probably the greatest film producer and studio head that Hollywood has known. He was largely responsible for the change to Cinemascope in the early 1950's.But by all accounts Zanuk had almost daily sexual encounters with studio stars and starlets in his office. His personal secretary was well aware of this and made sure no one got into his office between 4 and 5pm. This in no way diminishes his artistic and business genius, just raises questions about his character, and no doubt Hollywood being what it was (and is), many of his partners were ready, willing, and able.

OOH! Mr Zanuck's is bigger!
Fox used Marilyn Monroe to promote Cinemascope. Here is Marilyn fondling a Bausch and Lomb CinemaScope lens. (picture and quote from The Widescreen Museum)

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 19, 2017, 11:56 AM:

It's funny that you should have a photo of Marilyn Monroe for two reasons ...

1. we watched a rarities reel with MM. One half is a mint color copy of "Gentleman Prefer Blondes" and an L.P.P. 400ft print of a "digest" from the marilyn Documentary "Marilyn", which had the rare footage from Mrilyn's unfinished final film.

2. Marilyn, in one of the biographies, (I think it was the one written by her housekeeper), said that when she had her "meeting" with Zanuck, Zanuck demanded that she kiss him on his, well ... let me be delicate as to what he demanded.

So yep, the casting couch, a long terrible tradition in Hollywood. [Frown]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on October 19, 2017, 01:31 PM:

Plenty of men are sexually assualted by women, but its not pursued at all or very very rarely.

Not that I`m saying its OK what he did at all in any way, but its a very imbalanced approach.

Both men and women use sex, and sexual power or control as well.

Best Mark.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 02:06 PM:

Not the same at all, but today I was verbally assaulted by a bloke on a motorcycle.

He was driving appallingly, really close in wet weather through a 30mph limit and waving his hands, so I let him pass as soon as I could.

At the next junction, following numerous vulgar hand gestures from him, I pulled up and asked him what the problem was. Apparently, I stopped in the road, which I did not. He was too close and I let him pass, but he was aggressive before that.

I was subjected to several verbal abuses despite my trying to be calm with him.

Pure aggression, and honestly, I felt really assaulted verbally by this total stranger and potentially in physical danger if I didn't drive away.

It's actually a crime here to be verbally assaulted but I will let it go.

I've worked 20 odd years in frequently volatile places. I drive nearly 20,000 miles a year and whilst of course, incidents do happen, I've rarely felt so aggressively intimated and for reasons I really can't explain.

I'm fitting a dashcam asap.

Human Race...lovely.

You think the world you live in is a safe place if you are fairly sensible.

I can't even begin to imagine how people who have been abused by those in charge or power feel if this is how sick I feel over a nothing incident.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 19, 2017, 02:13 PM:

Rob, you're lucky that's all he did. Here in the USA confronting aggressive road rage drivers is very risky because you are very likely to be shot. I know that is not the case in the UK, but it happens here all the time. My wife keeps telling me not to wave or yell at crazy drivers, and certainly do not make eye contact with them at stop signs.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 02:23 PM:

I know Paul. I think we are a fairly level headed lot here, but this guy really shook me.

I even apologised to him! I said that OK if he thought I stopped too soon then I apologise! (Even though he was driving terribly!) But I just got called a ****** **** **** right in my face.

I wonder whether or not when he gets home and cools off if he regrets it, or justifies it in his head and thinks it's ok...

I don't think I'm going off topic here either...if you see what I mean...

Thinking it's ok doesn't mean it is.

I've always felt compassion and consideration toward other angry people...often, thy are just taking out other sources of aggression on strangers, but maybe that's where I'm going wrong?

Anyway, funny how a little thing can shake you.

Imagine how a calculated abuse incident can shake you???

Life changing...how do the abusers feel I wonder?

Do they get it that they really, really harm people???

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on October 19, 2017, 03:40 PM:

Rob
I often think that this might just be the answer to deal with angry motorists.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 03:53 PM:

Now, now, Graham, The British Institute Of Advanced Motoring advises only defensive motoring, ie. KEEP YOURSELF OUT OF THE WAY!

Which only makes me more confused by the advice to pull over when safe and let a tailgater go by...only to be called a **** **** head by the psycho when I actually tried to find out what was up, having given him headway...?

Oh well...maybe more analogies here than we think...

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 19, 2017, 03:57 PM:

Graham, unfortunately I can see that becoming standard motoring equipment in the USA! After all, most of that arsenal is perfectly legal here. [Frown]

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 19, 2017, 04:01 PM:

You'd pretty much have to shoot!

-it doesn't look fast enough to make an escape!

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 04:20 PM:

The Austin Reliant IS a criminal offence! LOL!

Ammunition should be pointing inward!

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on October 19, 2017, 05:56 PM:

Hi Rob, sorry you had such a rough time.

Sounds like he has some real issues, probably whatever he is doing etc.

Not nice at all.

I`d like to hope he reflected on it later on and really regretted it.

It must be aweful in the US day to day etc with the fear of much worse than verbal abuse just drtiving to the shops etc.

I don`t know how people cope with it.

Best Mark.

PS at least that reliant might be less likely to tip over than they usually do.Still a few people with just a Motorcycle licience driving them here, but the numbers are dwindling a lot these days. I remember getting a lift in one in about 84 Yee Gods etc.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 06:53 PM:

It's a tough one, Mark.

I've worked as a broadcast cameraman for many years and been given training on dangerous situations and driving, etc.

It seems that everyone around me always say that "Things are getting worse".

Personally, I do NOT believe that. I think that within communities, things are the same, if not better than they have always been.

I certainly won't be closing my bedroom window tonight because one guy was a jerk!

Watch out for each other.

I honestly wish I could meet the fella in the pub to discuss it sensibly...the silly arse & me too, probably.

So, is abuse to be tolerated?

No. Not when there is a compliant.

No way.

NOPE.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on October 19, 2017, 08:02 PM:

One day Rob that guy will do it to the wrong person and his big mouth will be his undoing.

I remember a Maori fellow years ago, that as a mechanic I used to look after his car, telling me a story, when four youths in a car were tail gating him and in general being idiots. Anyway Tom the Maori fellow forced them off to the side of the road, and as they got out to confront Tom, he knocked them out cold one at a time.

Anyway a person in a nearby house was watching all this, and came over to speak to Tom...he said that he had never seen anything like that before, except on telly [Big Grin]

Tom did tell me he did came across a couple of those youths later on on the street, they kept there distance from him and never said a word [Smile]

Although that story would be from the 50s-60s era it just goes to show you never know the person you are abusing might be the one to take you down.

Oh! Tom and his brother were professional guitarist and used to teach kids how to play at schools and at his studio at home...a great person to know and had brilliant sense of humour, sadly he passed away long ago.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 19, 2017, 08:43 PM:

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on October 19, 2017, 09:01 PM:

Back in the late 1960s my cousin from Glasgow had a Reliant, honestly they were totally unstable.... [Roll Eyes]

For American viewers or anyone else that wants a laugh [Big Grin]

check this out..

https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 20, 2017, 12:03 PM:

Rob ...

I hate to say this, but please do not act so foolishly in the future! We'd hate to lose you! You never know as to whether the bloke will have a gun (though illegal in the U.K. or at least in England?) and could blow you're head off. You just can't take chances with people these days. They just aren't too stable anymore. Please be more careful in the future.

That's just from a very concerned brother in the celluloid fraternity.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 20, 2017, 12:57 PM:

Osi, the chances of Rob, or anyone else in the UK, being shot in a road range incident are just about zero, as only a miniscule percentage of UK citizens posess, or have any interest in guns.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on October 20, 2017, 02:46 PM:

Has anyone got this guys address? I need a new settee.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 20, 2017, 03:49 PM:

Osi, thanks for your concern my friend. It really is appreciated.

However, Paul is pretty much right, we don't go around shooting at each other here...just shout abuse at each other apparently!

In retrospect, I've had days like his...I'm sorry for whatever is wrong with the fella.

Still, the day I don't even try to talk to the bloke is the day I give up...

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