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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 01, 2018, 09:38 AM:

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He bid on two Super 8 cameras I had on eBay. Then only paid for one. eBay then had to force him to pay. He then contacted me to say both were faulty, when both had tested fine before sending. I had predicted there would be a problem like this as he was reluctant to pay- just knew he’d want a refund. I was right. What is even sadder is that he is a member of our forum. I have done the right thing and refunded him as I am a decent business person, but will be blocking him as I do not ever want to do business like this ever again.

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on August 01, 2018, 11:17 AM:

Simon
I'm sure we all appreciate being informed about these bad experiences, but we can't avoid them, as your post suggests, unless they are named. Perhaps you could add a link showing your eBay listing.
I would hope that you made him return the cameras before refunding?

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 01, 2018, 11:22 AM:

you have to watch ebay with this sort of thing, Luckily for me i sold an item that the customer wasn't too happy with, he did everything by the book and contacted me and i said as he wasn't happy id be willing to refund the item less postage. He agreed.
Before i knew it, ebay fully refunded him and sent him a note to say he didn't have to return the goods. I was peed off to say the least. I contacted the customer who also thought it odd, even thought i endorsed it, and fortunately sent it back to me.
I sent a scathing letter to ebay and got no reply at all.
Thankfully, this was a good guy. So far at present i only have one item on there which,for a second time, has been bid on and not yet paid.
It would be interesting to find out who Simon's buyer was. Especially as a forum member. That's not something that one collector should do to another [Frown]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 01, 2018, 11:46 AM:

Tom ...

Boy! You lucked out on that one!

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 01, 2018, 02:40 PM:

I did Osi, thankfully, the buyer was someone who i knew i could trust and had purchased before.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on August 01, 2018, 02:43 PM:

Simon
Were the cameras returned to you?
If so, what was their condition?
Were they faulty as described by the buyer?

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 01, 2018, 02:49 PM:

I have refunded because, as Tom says, eBay would only do so if I didn’t. But if I had noted the name of the person, I’d have cancelled the order the minute it took the buyer ages to pay- only for the one camera.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 01, 2018, 05:33 PM:

Simon

What model of cameras were they?

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 01, 2018, 08:40 PM:

Both B & H- a 1235 and 2146

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 01, 2018, 11:44 PM:

That's interesting Simon as of all the cameras I have tested of late the B/H 1230 still works well, in fact better than some other makes. The 1235 if I remember right is the model up from 1230....1235 is certainly a nice camera.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 02, 2018, 11:46 AM:

ebay ebay ebay ... (sigh) ...

Now I have found that when I relisted my items, ebay "magically" added a "or best offer" to my buy it now auctions, so I have to go in manually and get rid of that ...

sneaky lil ole ebay. [Smile]

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 02, 2018, 02:08 PM:

What makes it worse is that the ebayer is a forum member!

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 02, 2018, 02:28 PM:

Ah yes...to get a great bid on rare film only to be followed by, "I am mister so & so's friend, and unfortunately he has been rushed to hospital..."

And don't think that conventions are immune to dodgy folk either; sadly one of the reasons I gave up going. I really became tired of actually watching so called "dealers" buying up honestly described film for people to enjoy and then trying to sell them off as over-priced gems. Rogues.

Stick with the nice guys like Barry at Independent 8.

C'mon Simon, who is it?

This community is now so small that we need to look after each other.

Still plenty of lovely, decent folk still out there and amongst us that want to buy and trade and enjoy film and cine equipment honestly.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 02, 2018, 04:33 PM:

I know this guy and he is a forum member and I to have had problems he cant bid on my items as he is blocked

Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on August 02, 2018, 05:41 PM:

Aye c'mon man ! Who is the mannie ? Go on tell us so we can all have greater ebay protection when selling up stuff on there. [Wink]

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 03, 2018, 02:31 PM:

fao rob you dont know what youre missing not going to film fairs there are lots of bargains to be had of first class dealers ,where do you think the dealers buy there stock from if you want to be first in I wil give you first chance to buy of me a very collectable film collection with all the top of the shelf titles over 4 thousand features and as many shorts cartoons etc 80 projectiers plus spares lamp tape splicers take up spools this offer is to rob only get your money out I will also deliver them in one of my lorrys

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on August 03, 2018, 04:50 PM:

David
Hardly an answer to David Hardy's question is it! Why don't you man up and give the buyers name instead of promoting your sales.
Simon
What was the point of your post unless you provide this information. What are you afraid of? This forum is not a club of Masons. We should be looking out for each other. There are more than one member of this forum who should be named and shamed - not protected.

Posted by Clyde Miles (Member # 4032) on August 03, 2018, 05:10 PM:

mr robert tucker

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on August 03, 2018, 06:19 PM:

Thank you Clyde
That does not surprise me at all. I have in the past critisized this dealer and some others. Pity some of our members don't have the backbone to do likewise. In my opinion they are parasites who do not contribute or promote our hobby.
Let's start a thread of like dealers. That could be interesting.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 03, 2018, 06:29 PM:

I would have thought that everyone on the forum would have knew who it was

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 03, 2018, 09:34 PM:

Didn't, but we do now!

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on August 04, 2018, 02:43 AM:

It doesn't surprise me.
I had problems with him some six years ago when he was selling on eBay under the name kitchclarkie.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 04, 2018, 03:22 AM:

Well that's cleared up. We're such a well informed community here on the forum that it amazes me that folk think bad behaviour will go unnoticed.

David, thank you for your generous offer. Just to be clear, I went to several Blackpool conventions after you took over and have nothing but praise and admiration for yourself and the team of organisers for putting these together. It's great to meet people like Gary from Derann, another one of the good guys.

Likewise for the other conventions.

Unfortunately I experienced some activity which was rather disappointing.

BUT this was nothing at all to do with the excellent dealers in attendance.

Organising the conventions is a sterling effort for which I think all film collectors are truly grateful.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 04, 2018, 04:25 AM:

thank you for your kind words re blackpool this event will be the best yet with lots of surprises. Friday night film show will be the best yet with a superb film show plus a nice surprise before the show which has not to be missed .its also fantastic to see that I am now getting collecters from oversea travelling 1000s of miles like joe and mats which they will be well looked after by myself and my team of dedicated helpers my advice to everyone anyone who cant make this number1 event does not realy take this hobby serious as this is a collecters dream

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 04, 2018, 04:35 AM:

David is rightly strict in allowing nobody in early. We stop anyone who says “I’m just taking this film to Tom” we say they must wait until opening time. We also watch carefully for those who will not pay to get in, and try to sneak in. Quite rightly, David has banned one such person from attending because of that.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 04, 2018, 06:53 AM:

Simon, leave me out of this [Big Grin]

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 04, 2018, 07:18 AM:

Sorry Tom, I meant Fred!

Are you coming along this year Tom?

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 04, 2018, 08:00 AM:

As of this moment, yes i am and my Brother is also going to attend. (The invisible man mentioned often on my threads).
It's been hit and miss this yearas the Wife is still nursing her mother in Truro so the it will only be my Brother and i. If this should turn for the worse then that will will change.
I have never been to this event, I have to say one of my biggest regrets in mt 40 years of collecting is not making the effort to come to the Northern Film convention in it's big hey days. I want to attend this year in case there are no more. We done Ealing three times, (again, i wish we did more but we cant change the past). It's a poop of a drive from Plymouth being around 6 hours. I may only be able to do the Saturday and Sunday though. I have no idea how it all works.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 04, 2018, 11:42 AM:

Star Wars ... sigh ...

Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on August 05, 2018, 10:44 AM:

Tom,

The friday night has the film show - last year was a 16mm print of Roger Moore's last outing as James Bond - A View to a Kill plus adverts and trailers - I stuck my head round the door - it looked great but my wife and I were tired from our drive from Sourh Wales. The Saturday has changed this year as I believe there will be another Film Show on Saturday afternoon. Saturday evening is the Film Convention Dinner and Raffle followed another film show into late evening. The actual film convention opens around 10am on the Sunday till 4pm and as usual there are other film shows on different gauges showing during the day. I hope this helps.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 05, 2018, 02:46 PM:

High folks

It might be an idea to start a separate topic regarding your convention, as every time its mentioned of late, this topic "Avoid this Ebayer" pops up, and although I don't know "Robert Tucker" as mentioned, his name will keep getting dragged through the "mud" even although its changing in direction.

I for one am very disappointed at the way this person has been treated here by others, and hope he will come on to explain what he found wrong with the camera, which as to date has not been explained in any way by either the seller or buyer.

It would be nice of those complaining about this guy, start a topic here that has "lets say" a more positive theme.

Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on August 05, 2018, 03:23 PM:

Apologies Graham,

just replying to the above post. I'm glad the ebay seller has been named and shamed - I had a bad experience with him a few years ago. In my humble opinion he is not a supporter of the hobby - just out to make a quick £££

Posted by Barry Fritz (Member # 1865) on August 05, 2018, 06:11 PM:

Graham, so you believe other members relating their bad experience with him is treating him unfairly and is dragging him through the mud? I'm am glad when we are warned about bad dealers. At least three members here have had bad dealings with him. That says a lot about him.

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 05, 2018, 08:38 PM:

Graham Ritchie- you are disappointed? Why? You yourself have had no dealings with him- why are you not disappointed with my experience? I’m disappointed in your lack of support.

As soon as I saw the name of the buyer and the fact he only paid for one camera out of two won, made me certain there was going to be a problem. And there was. I refunded fully as I knew he’d get EBay to step in and they’d do just that. He obviously bid (both cameras got low prices) and then he had second thoughts. He stated one camera wouldn’t run and the other would not allow him to see through the viewfinder. Both cameras were fine on sending out. I don’t sell dodgy gear. End of.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 05, 2018, 08:54 PM:

No problem David

Barry topics like this "can" be used to get at people unfairly and can drag on and on. We all know that old film cameras might work one day and not the next, but where are the details from the seller regarding all this?

Believe me Barrie I have been caught out myself with film and the last thing this forum needs is a mud slinging contest...life is to short for that. [Smile]

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 05, 2018, 08:59 PM:

I’m the seller Graham- and have given details. Do keep up! I really do not see what you are adding to this thread?!

I am merely describing my experiences with the buyer, backed up by more than one other person here. It’ll always be my word against his anyway. As a good businessman though, he has a full refund inc postage. I will not do business with him again though.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 06, 2018, 02:49 AM:

I had same problems and will not entertain this guy

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 06, 2018, 05:55 AM:

Graham, whilst I think everything here has been fair play, I'm starting a new topic in the 8mm section with a happier theme! [Smile]

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 06, 2018, 06:05 AM:

graham would you be happy if it was you you and had to pay for return postage to your country you would be well out of pocket

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 06, 2018, 10:18 AM:

I'll wait a minute while people take a breath.

I'd like to think that I'm fairly sensitive to the mud slinging that can occur in these type of threads and I don't see that happening here, although I do see the point Graham is making. According to Simon, eBay had to force the buyer to pay for the item he won, something totally separate from the refund issue. Both Maurice and David say they have also experienced problems, however I think specifics are needed in these cases. We have not heard yet from Robert about this and I hope he will post here soon.

Till then, I would suggest that unless someone else can add about other direct dealings (positive or negative), this thread has run its course.

Doug

Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on August 06, 2018, 01:30 PM:

Doug,

If you are referring to my unfortunate dealing with Mr Tucker - it was a well documented issue over a bad print of Blue Hawaii - thankfully after several weeks the matter was resolved in my favour. It would be positive to hear other specifics from other collectors/dealers.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on August 06, 2018, 02:02 PM:

My problem with the mentioned person was the purchase from him, on eBay, of a Cineton P800 Super 8 projector in June 2012 which arrived in unworkable condition.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 06, 2018, 02:25 PM:

he bid for 2 features of mine on ebay and won them had to wait ages for the money so I decided not to sell them and the previous one before that I sold him a print of the professionals and when he got it he said reel was squashed and damaged the film he wanted a refund I said no send the film back and I will then fully refund you he said I want to keep the film I said send it back he never did and that was the end of that

Posted by Robert Tucker (Member # 386) on August 06, 2018, 05:28 PM:

Hello fellow members and friends, lets now clear up a few things here once again on this fantastic forum i hold close to my heart.

There's always two sides to a story!

So i bought two cameras off Simon off eBay both being advertised as working (don't think i have ever dealt with him before)? Received both cameras one had batteries in it the other did not. But i had faith in the seller that both actually worked as per his description. After receiving both in one parcel. It appears that one was actually working but the viewfinder was defective (cannot see anything through the viewfinder) The second camera with out any batteries in it actually didn't work?

Naturally i wanted to return both cameras for a full refund plus return postage. Simon kindly refunded my money of the 1st of August via PayPal. Which i may add i am still waiting for. I have since spoken to PayPal over the weekend, who informed me that the refund can take up to 30 days.

So that's the state of play at the moment. It's a shame that Simon obviously has a problem with this. Instead decides to air is frustration and report this here on the forum. To the many small minded people that still use this forum.

Shame on you!!!

And Mr Guest if you want to put in your 2 penny's worth. Don't get me started as you unfortunately come into the same bracket of a seller who cannot be trusted. Regardless of what people think on this forum.

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 06, 2018, 05:51 PM:

No shame at all as I refunded you. Don’t you ever say I’m a seller who cannot be trusted. I have done the decent thing.

I trust our paths will not cross again. End of.

Posted by Robert Tucker (Member # 386) on August 06, 2018, 06:05 PM:

Simon, you can't have it both ways? it's not about refunding me which i may add i am still waiting for. It's about being honest?

What i have done to make things easier for you. Since you ignored my previous email about returning both cameras to you if you pay the postage.

I have now started the process/request to return both cameras to you via the eBay return process.

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 06, 2018, 06:10 PM:

Keep the cameras. I’m a man of my word so if no refund arrives let me know. Any delay in refund is now down to PayPal.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 06, 2018, 06:11 PM:

"To the many small minded people that still use this forum."

That seems a little strong, also appears to be aimed at all members.

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 06, 2018, 06:23 PM:

Robert - specify clearly where I have not been honest? Both cameras worked well on leaving here. Batteries still inside (which I’d forgotten I’d left in) show I tested both. Had I not been honest, would I have refunded the next day?

Posted by Robert Tucker (Member # 386) on August 06, 2018, 06:26 PM:

Simon, Now if both cameras actually worked as you said they did as listed and as per your description, we clearly would not be having this conversation.

Nothing more nothing less.

As you clearly now don't want the cameras i will be taking these tomorrow to my local recycling tip.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 06, 2018, 06:37 PM:

re simon I have bought many things of him with no problems and he has bought as many of me I fully believe that simon was right in stating what he wrote on hear and I had a problem with him also as well as other forum members so we all cant be wrong

Posted by Robert Tucker (Member # 386) on August 06, 2018, 06:50 PM:

David,

Unfortunately you all can be, everyone has a bad experience with a seller. Whilst we look over most things, when a seller is dishonest, example you buy a film that is complete. Only to find that the print is incomplete. You sell a projector that supposedly works. Only to find when you receive the projector the special lead is not included. Then the sellers states that he forgot to included it. You obviously naturally give them the benefit of the doubt. And wait for him to locate the lead to the working projector so you can use it. Not leave it for 6 months or more to the point that you cannot get your money back via eBay.

So here is a couple of examples David, does it jog any memories for you??

Just another example for everyone on this forum i recently bought a Super 8 projector from Ian of Perry's movies. I may add that i have dealt with Ian for over 30 years. (this was advertised on this forum). I bought knowing Ian very well and knowing that the projector actually worked. Unfortunately when i received it, apparently the sound did not work on the projector. Ian kindly offered to get this repaired by Bill Parsons. But because i had a projector that did not work even though it was sold as new and in working condition. I decided that i would rather return it for a full refund.

Just another example of how things can go wrong.

I come to the conclusion on this forum that most of the time you only want to hear one side of the story. Obviously you can all make your own minds up on who you want to deal with. But as the majority of people on this forum constantly like to take people through the mud. It's a wonder why so many people have left over the years. So really you only have yourself to blame. I'm actually on here for the entertainment factor only (think of the showman) And with the small amount of people i can still trust, regardless if they are an actual business seller or forum member.

I suppose it's all about having the balls to name and shame!

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 06, 2018, 07:36 PM:

Robert- right from the start, I knew there would be problems. Why did you only pay for one camera out of the two and eBay had to force you to pay for the other?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 06, 2018, 07:58 PM:

Robert,

Your "many small minded people" comment has me thinking that you should not post here anymore.

Doug

Posted by Paul Barker (Member # 4318) on August 07, 2018, 02:38 AM:

i have known Simon for many years. he is a gentleman,and a totally honest person.he gives his all to this hobby.and there are many who feel the same,and have great respect for him. as i say.a gentleman.

Posted by William Davis (Member # 4023) on August 07, 2018, 09:27 AM:

I had one transaction with the person mentioned in this thread several years ago. I bought 3 features from him that he stated were LPP. Only 1 was LPP, the other 2 were good ole faded Eastman. This was a direct purchase - not E-bay - he had them listed on another forum for sale. With the costs of returning the prints to the UK, I being in the US, I just let it go but will never deal with this person again. Thankfully most of the collectors I've met in this hobby are honest and many I can call my friends. I will add the person I'm referring to is Mr. Robert Tucker.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on August 07, 2018, 10:10 AM:

its a good job simoom has brought this seller to light as there could have been a lot more who has had bad experiences with mr tucker and wonder how many more and one thing why did he change his name on ebay from kitcheclarkie to 35mm we all knew who he was by his wallpaper

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 07, 2018, 10:42 AM:

I'm closing this thread for now. There might be a grand reopening later.

Doug

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