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Posted by Paul Stanley (Member # 1109) on April 29, 2008, 06:30 AM:

Just been offered a Pathe KOK 28mm Projector complete with lid and a box of 49 films. I have seen it working and wondered what price I should be paying for such an item. The projector is complete with all dyno electrics to run the lamp, original belt etc. The rewind gear has been replaced with a new one which was made for the job. Any clues anyone?
At present trying to get a photo of it all and will pop it on here if I can.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 29, 2008, 09:24 AM:

I know very little about 28mm, but I would think a functioning 28mm KOK in good cosmetic condition would be worth quite a bit, several hundred dollars perhaps? Maybe more. And I suspect that 28mm films are as rare as hens teeth. The whole package would appear to be quite valuable.

Posted by Jeff Chaney (Member # 1025) on April 30, 2008, 12:49 AM:

The movies alone are often selling for hundreds (even more if rare comedy shorts), so if you get the whole package for even 2 or 3 thousand you are getting a steal if it is in good working condition. I have been looking for a 28mm for awhile (They are much harder to find here in the states)
Cheers
Dino

Posted by Erwin Geeraerts (Member # 992) on May 01, 2008, 05:40 AM:

A few months ago on Ebay France there was a similar lot up for sale. It was a complete and working KOK with 50 films all in original can. It went for +5000 euro's

Posted by Paul Stanley (Member # 1109) on May 08, 2008, 05:51 AM:

Well I got the 28mm and some of the film. A few were in poor condition so I left those but understand someone else was in order to look at them. The dyno works OK as does the projector which came complete with a box of spare vintage lamps. A nice film I watched was "France's Famous Gun" which is a very full reel, and also " Coronation of Napoleon" which I am informed is a rare one by the seller.
Very pleased with it all this end.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 08, 2008, 06:46 AM:

Any chance of a pic of the 28mm projector and some film??

-Mike

Posted by Jeff Chaney (Member # 1025) on May 09, 2008, 01:25 AM:

could not be more jealous.... good on ya!

Yes if you could post a pic that would be great..

Cheers
Dino Everett

Posted by Hugh McCullough (Member # 696) on May 09, 2008, 05:18 AM:

28mm film can be seen at
http://www.cinephoto.co.uk/9_5_28mm.htm
Unfortunatly no picture of a 28mm projector.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on May 09, 2008, 01:49 PM:

Here is a photo of the Pathe KOK 28mm projector, with the built in dynamo for the lamp. If Paul has this, it must be worth a lot, and I am green with envy!

Posted by Paul Stanley (Member # 1109) on May 11, 2008, 04:00 AM:

The very same and also a metal case lid with the Pathe logo on it. A local tool firm is making me a splicer for the film which will help with repairs.

Posted by Martyn Stevens (Member # 861) on June 13, 2008, 03:36 PM:

Paul
Better late than never I suppose. Lots about 28mm on my website
www.cinerdistan.co.uk, including the two American intermittent sprocket machines and other pix. I've also done a catalogue and filmed a number of 28 to DVD. Full details on site.

Martyn Stevens

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 13, 2008, 05:33 PM:

Martyn that link doesnt seem to work. I like the add that Hugh linked us to. £15 for the machine with free film or £12.10 without the free film [Big Grin]

Those were the days!

Wonder why 4 sprocket holes down one side and 2 per frame on the other? Only the French could come up with that idea [Smile]

Kev.

Posted by Trevor Adams (Member # 42) on June 13, 2008, 05:43 PM:

It is framed all the time Kev [Smile]

Posted by Erwin Geeraerts (Member # 992) on June 14, 2008, 02:45 PM:

I'm still looking for a complete version of the Pathé Kok projector (and also the American Premier Pathéscope projector). I only got half a version (no lamphouse, no lens, no groundboard, no case).

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 14, 2008, 03:42 PM:

Kev, Pathe probably put different sprocket holes down each side to stop you threading the film the other way around. Also it might stop you running the film on a non-pathe projector ( if any other manufactures got involved).

Graham S

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 15, 2008, 06:14 AM:

Graham, I hadn't thought of that one. I suppose it would have been easy for the non technical home user to thread the film back to front. Maybe not such a bad idea after all [Smile]

Kev.

Posted by Paul Stanley (Member # 1109) on June 15, 2008, 11:43 AM:

Been doing much work with my KOK. Fitted DC motor and much more as we have been putting some of the films onto DVD. Quite a few films were torn so it was a simple job to thread backwards and project backwards, then took into software at work to flip right way up.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 16, 2008, 07:36 AM:

Pathe were also very protective of their products. They produced gramphone records but unlike everybody else, Pathe records went from the inside out. Also the needle was different and went up and down instead of side to side. That way anybody buying a Pathe record had to play them on a Pathe gramaphone.

Take a look at web page

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 17, 2008, 05:46 AM:

That was a fascinating read. Thanks for the link Graham.

Kev.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 17, 2008, 07:31 AM:

Grahame Newnhame's web pages always make for a fascinating read. You can also find information on 9.5mm, 28mm, 17.5mm, basically anything pathe plus a few other bits.

Correction: You could run Pathe records on another gramphone but required a special adaptor for the vertical movement.

Graham S

Posted by Martyn Stevens (Member # 861) on June 17, 2008, 03:28 PM:

CORRECTION
Sorry the link didn't work - it was because the comma got caught up in the address. Try www.cinerdistan.co.uk
without the comma
Martyn Stevens

Posted by Paul Stanley (Member # 1109) on June 18, 2008, 07:34 AM:

A little error with the Super Vox picture on that site as the rear amp is missing. The 17.5 information is interesting as Lee M has 2, one of which he had converted to Xenon. This is the one he uses for his lectures re film history and the image looks just as good as 35 although the frame area is smaller. The masters must have been good to make such good 17.5mm prints.

Posted by Erwin Geeraerts (Member # 992) on August 22, 2009, 03:46 AM:

I finally got a hold of an almost complete Pathé Kok projector. It got it's original lid (although a bit rusted). It also came with an original box with five spare bulps (one looks to be not working). There is a little bit a paint flaking. And the ground board isn't in the best condition.

The dynamo works when cranking the projector, but the light is to weak for clear projection.

As usual the rewind part has broken of, but the owner still kept the part that broke of.

What I didn't know until I went to pick up the projector, is that this is a very early model. It has serial number 361. I don't think I came across an earlier serial number so far.

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on August 22, 2009, 08:57 PM:

Erwin, congrats on that. It wasn't Warton's was it? The description sounds very similar.....But congrats, it is funny I keep getting emails from people offering me one, then they never write back...One of these days I will get myself some 28mm equipment.

Posted by Erwin Geeraerts (Member # 992) on August 23, 2009, 03:50 AM:

No it isn't Warton's. I bought this one from someone in Holland. I've also been offered another version without dynamo but with resistance in very good working condition. I hope to get this one also in a few weeks.

Here is a picture of the projector:

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 1183) on August 23, 2009, 11:42 AM:

My KOK was factory manufactured for the USA market with both the dynamo and 110V AC electric. Judging by the plugs and old cloth wrapped wire (not pictured), I believe it is the original design. The switch transfers the lamp between the dynamo and the AC. Note the transformer next to the dynamo.

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