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Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on October 08, 2010, 09:13 AM:

Hello, Ninefivers

Chances are I might have built equipment for 9.5 until fall next year, how big is your interest in a relatively slow black-and-white universal film?

I plan panchromatic ISO 32, colourless polyester base, anti-halo undercoat, to be developed to negative and by the reversal process.

Perforator will be sturdy professional machine with suction under the tool. Supply in lenghts up to 400 feet, cheap.

Please be honest, it's finding out whether the market is there or not.

Posted by Scott Mc Allister (Member # 2295) on November 07, 2010, 12:16 PM:

I would be interested in 9.5 film stock for my Pathé baby cine camera. How much would it cost for 4 rolls of film?

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on November 19, 2010, 04:37 AM:

Hello, Scott

I cannot yet think of prices because I need an idea of the interest first. The question is really, how many filmmakers would want to shoot in black and white. You mean four rolls of 9 meters, I presume, that is 36 meters or a good hundred feet.

Anybody else?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 13, 2013, 04:32 AM:

What about this project to produce 9,5 black and white film stock ?

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 15, 2013, 02:16 PM:

It's something that's interesting to me. [Smile]

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on July 31, 2013, 06:08 AM:

I have a 16-mm. film perforator now that needs a thourough overhaul. From studying it I’m learning. Actually, the machine is a greeting from the 19th century. My own construction will be quite different.

The echo isn’t overwhelming plus there’s the news from Ferrania. They might bring out something in nine-five. Plus I’m totally absorbed by building a prototype of a film slitter and other stuff. So my next activity with perforators will not be before mid-August, I’m afraid.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 31, 2013, 07:59 AM:

It's a great project to bring 9,5 black and white film stock on the market. I don't know how many metres you need to sell to make it viable (the black and white stock lasts longer that the color one so it's an advantage for what you intend to do). I guess people wait for more information (especially the price) to give more response. Also, many ninefivers don't kmow this forum (I discovered it recently) and some don't understand English. So you could maybe try to promote your idea among clubs (and even in French if you speak French, because you're from Switzerland). Let us know how it goes further ! Ferrania did not annouce anything in 9,5, yet I think.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on August 03, 2013, 08:38 AM:

Yes, Ferrania not about 9.5 mm, although you never know...
Your project, Simon, is very interesting, although developed with time.

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on August 04, 2013, 01:34 AM:

TO ALL PARTICIPANTS IN ITALY

Amici, quindi il mio italiano non è il migliore, vi prego di preparare un pò la cosa contattando la gente di Ferrania. La domanda sarà semplicemente se hanno l’arredamento per tagliare in nove e mezzo ed un apparecchio perforatore. Ne c’è un interesse mondiale eccetera. Tante grazie

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 08, 2013, 02:31 PM:

There is today on the site Japan camera hunter an interview, in English, that confirms the come back of Ferrania on the small format but nothing is decided yet about which gauges and the timing is not known as they are still making searches.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 25, 2013, 12:05 PM:

Is your project progressing ?

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on August 29, 2013, 06:12 PM:

It's a bit 'of time that I asked to Ferrania if they intend to treat 9.5 mm, but did not respond.
I retrying!

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on September 02, 2013, 12:13 PM:

Be careful, they told me!
They said that there is the possibility of producing even 9.5 mm, depends on the response of the market!

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on September 22, 2013, 05:56 AM:

What about your project, Simon ? The French 9,5 club may be interested in that. I will see some members soon.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on September 30, 2013, 01:21 PM:

The French 9,5 club asked me to write an article about the possibility of 9,5 black and white stock for the next issue of the magazine. I hope Simon will be able to give more precisions soon. A ninefiver (filmaker, not collector) I met at Argenteuil told me also that he was intersted when I talked about that (as he is not member of the club).

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on December 29, 2013, 11:11 AM:

Luigi, dopo una lettera che avevo ricevuta di Ferrania nelli anni 90 le perforatrice erano venduti nelli anni 80 ma evidentemente la nuova iniziativa a reso possibile ricomprarle.

I know that there are no duplicating stocks as 9.5 on the market although many miles of originals and prints in this format should be saved in the best possible way, and that is photographically in contact with practically grainless film. So with Ferrania being capable of producing camera films in virtually every movie film format, I have decided to prepare for extreme fine grain stocks. I’m not in a comfortable situation financially. Time will decide.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on December 31, 2013, 01:06 PM:

OK Simon, who knows what will decide to enter the market Ferrania.
Look forward to future movements, you are right, we will also see how you/we agree to act.
Thank you for the information post!

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 16, 2014, 11:10 AM:

It seems that Simon did not want to go further with his project. At the moment, there is 9,5 black and white stock available for titling (the white appears black on the screen and the white appears of course black) from Mr Otte in Germany (wolfundinge@t-online.de). A Survey about black and white stock is starting now (I got the magazine that gives the info, today) from a member of the French club. After Kahl announcement of discontinuing its UP 24 double 8 black and white stock, Monsieur Le Rohellec wants to know if there is an enough demand for 9,5 black and white stock to interest a lab. The Survey will end on the 15 th December. The question of the Survey is : how many spool or roll are you ready to use every year (15 or 30 meters spools, or 14 meters or 3 X 8,20 meters rolls). alain.le-rohellec@wanadoo.fr

[ October 16, 2014, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Dominique De Bast ]

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on October 19, 2014, 04:27 PM:

I've just done, I invite everyone to do it! It would be great if someone decides to produce a good 9.5mm b/w! film

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 10, 2015, 12:42 PM:

The result of the Survey has been printed in the latest copy of the French 9.5 magazine. Only 8 ninefivers showed interest for black and white fim stock, which is not enough to attract interest from a laboratory. It seems that no answer came from Britain although there are still flmamkers there. The French man who started the Survey is still thinking of finding a black and white source, so, as colour filmstock is no longer available on all lenghts (and as the remaining stock will not last long), there may be other people interested now in a black and white project. As a reminder, the man to contact is : alain.le-rohellec@wanadoo.fr

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on July 13, 2015, 08:30 AM:

Here in the good old UK a similar question was asked and only two of us said yes, I was one of them.

I feel the problem is these days so may seem so laid back they nearly fall over. I'm certain more would use 9-5 film stock and I have got through around 900ft in just over a year which has been great fun. My mission is to enter HD scans of the completed films into competition to help spread the 9-5 word and hopefully demonstrate how crisp it can look....we hope!

Globally film competition events also have a role to play in accepting images acquired on motion picture 9-5 film and accepted in digital form to present it easily digitally. I've already put this proposal forward to Group 9-5 for the annual competition which I am certain will increase entries and the quality of sound and projection with the greatest respect.
Fingers crossed they see the vision.. [Cool]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 13, 2015, 01:06 PM:

I'm not at all a fan of digitalization as in my point of vue, the projection of the filmsock is a full part of the cinema experience. Digital projection can be a plus when it is not possible or difficult to do the classical way. There has been a 9.5 festival in Australia in November 2014. Following the article I readed about it, it seems that the French and the British films were all projected from dvds. I understand that it is safer and cheaper to send dvds rather than films so far away. You can regard this as "it cannot be called a 9.5 festival" or "better 9.5 on digital than nothing". I don't know who would be right and who would be wrong. Personnaly, I don't push anyone to digital if it can be avoided. So far, the monthly French projections are 100 % 9.5 films and nobody never suggested (and propbably never thought) change it. That is probably what makes these projections unique. So, only time will tell if digital projections attract more people to 9.5. Back to the blanck and white stock, I suppose people want to know how much it would cost before saying if they would use this kind of stock. For sure, it will not be cheap unless someone find cheap 35 mm black and white stock somewhere. i'm impressed by the amount of film you shooted, Lee [Smile]

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on July 14, 2015, 05:26 AM:

I agree Dom as film is the first choice even in projection. Sadly not every competition in our land have means to project 9-5 for judging let alone general projection but I do feel it is a wonderful opportunity to enter 9.5mm sound films as files and flying the 9.5mm flag having filmed using the format. For a few years I was projectionist at a festival and for one would have welcomed the entries today..

We have been lucky in recent years to have locally perforated 100D which has now unfortunately run out and we certainly miss it. The film shortage is a problem particularly as our 9-5 film group has a scripted project waiting to go and we could do with 300ft for over summer but hey ho we must be patient. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 16, 2015, 09:11 AM:

Film will most than probably not be available for this summer. The only good side of this is that there is still a demand for 9.5 filmstock.

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 21, 2015, 11:06 AM:

Reference 9.5mm black & white film. I have a Pathe 9.5 perforator
[punch & die assembly makes x3 rows of 9.5 perforations on unperforated 35mm film].The machine has no motor,this can be fixed without too many problems.
I would be happy to perforate some of my existing supply of perforated 35mm Kodak 5363 [b/w high contrast positive film] to x2 useable 9.5 rows so long as someone else does the slitting.Light struck 35mm film perforated to 9.5mm can be sent to interested parties for examination.
The price for fresh 5363 perforated to 9.5 would be £37 per 30 meters [100ft].This price is valid for 2015/2016
I currently slit/perforate/reperforate 35mm & 16mm double perforated film to standard 8mm using equipment supplied to me by the late Larry Pearce UK who did much to keep 9.5 running in the 1960s.
I manufacture 8mm film in small quantities to supply mainly UK & USA trade customers as well as a small list of retail customers.
If only 8 people want b/w 9.5mm film this is ok.The construction of a slitter to go with my pathe perforator is a low priority as I need to earn a living from my other activities which pay the bills.I also have very little space in my house which is currently filled with large pieces of industrial film & audio machinery.
Let me know through the moderators if you want short lengths of light struck 35 mm film perforated to 9.5mm.
I can help with the design of slitters having had made several machines [not all successful] for this purpose.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 21, 2015, 11:13 AM:

Welcome to this forum Edward and thank you for this wondeful project. Do you know who could process 9.5 black and white films on 30 m spools ? The Dutch lab that can process 9.5 cannot handle longer lenghts than 15 m.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 21, 2015, 12:23 PM:

A very interesting project for all ninefivers: have a cut of rows of Kodak 5363 in 9.5mm is an event, I think there's never been a 9,5mm film with an high contrast of 5363 (see Kodak 7363 to get an idea close to the type of film).
We must solve the problems of motor and cut!

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 22, 2015, 07:28 AM:

Processing 9.5 in lengths of 30 meters.Feasible.But another project is involved.current 15 meter limit suggests the use of the Lomo x2 15 meter tank-logical in the light of the very small volumes of 9.5 used today [the Lomo tank is very adaptable]
Lomo made a "professional" tank taking 30meters of 16mm film using 1.2 liters of chemistry [very economical].These are now rare & expensive.A london based film school recently paid £400 for one.I have seen it.It probably could be adapted to take 30 meters of 9.5.The film school will not do this as they use 16mm.
It needs a 9.5 member to look out for such a tank,adapt it,& offer a service.
Continous processing machines are uneconomical in the 9.5 context or indeed in any film based context.Nano Lab Australia use deep multi spiral tanks that take as much or as little chemistry as required.
The Doran wind/rewind tank could ,without too much difficulty,be adapted for 30 meters 9.5 use but I have found results with this tank to be variable.1 liter of chemistry can process x1 35mm 30 meter load-ditto 16mm-ditto super8.Some years ago someone automated one of these ultra economical tanks & published the results in "International Movie Making" magazine.I have not seen the article, unfortunately,so do not have details.
All these problems can be solved.I do feel that the energy & vitality of 9.5 cinematographers which was, at one time considerable,has now dissipated.
Most of my work uses regular 8mm,sometimes 16mm,& occasionally 35mm.I never really got started with 9.5 as post production facilities for the gauge were slim from the late 1980s onwards.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 22, 2015, 10:18 AM:

One step after another. If 30 meters spools become available I guess a solution could be found to process them (maybe Color City could do that job ?).

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 22, 2015, 10:49 AM:

Dom, members of the various clubs 9.5mm you know might be interested to project? I know that there are also people who shot in 9.5mm, in addition to collecting the format.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 22, 2015, 11:26 AM:

I can spread the news via the French magazine when things are ready :-) I guess the British Group will do the same (bu they seem to read also this forum ;-)

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 22, 2015, 01:05 PM:

We hope they are interested!
I do not think you and me are the only users of unexposed 9.5mm film in the world, haha! [Big Grin]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 22, 2015, 04:37 PM:

I sent an e-mail to Mr Le Rohellec (I mentionned in a preeceding message in this thread)), the French gentleman who wanted to contact a lab to see if it was viable to bring back black and hite stock on the market (but at that time, colour stock was still available). He has just answered me, showing his interest. He wants to make an annoucement in the French 9.5 magazine as soon as détails are available. We're indeed not the only ones shooting in 9,5 ;-) Color City sells films in several countries (including Spain and Portugal). Of course, we're not a million but we're not alone :-)

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 23, 2015, 03:31 AM:

Well, a good number of interested users, as I supposed. Nice! [Smile]

Yes, Color City sells 9.5mm outside France, it seems to me even outside Europe.

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 23, 2015, 05:49 AM:

If there is sufficient interest I would be prepared to make a slitter to partner my pathe perforator & offer a processing service for 30 meter 9.5mm lengths of 5363 using my Doran tank.Both negative & reversal processing could be taken on.This would not be a fast turn around service as my film drier only takes 16mm film [Jobo film drier] so the processed film would have to be allowed to air dry.
Someone would need to provide empty camera spools for loading.I understand that Andek Filmotechnik use a sprocketless continous processing machine so 30 meter lengths of 9.5mm film should present no difficulty here.Might be worth a try.Quality is gerenally high from this lab.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on November 23, 2015, 09:43 AM:

Grahame Newnham's web-site offers 9.5mm camera spools for sale.
http://www.pathefilm.uk/lists/filmlista.htm

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 25, 2015, 02:54 AM:

I, unfortunately, not have a camera spool, beacause I use only 9 meter "cartridges" for small Ercsam Camex 9.5mm camera, but if Grahame has on offer is a good thing.

I'm sure that in the French club there are several people interested in the project. [Smile]

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 26, 2015, 05:27 AM:

Here's the deal for 9.5mm black & white film.I am taking orders for film now.[do not send me money until the film is ready for delivery].All orders to be placed between now & 25/1/2016.If I have received no orders for film by 25/1/2016 I will not start work on this project.
Prices & packings [to start with-prices hold good for 2016]
9 meter charger reloads........£7.00
15 meter loads [without spool].£10.00
15 meter loads on 15 meter camera spools & cans £12.50
Postage & packing at cost depending upon destination/order size & weight
Target delivery date::late 2016 [no guarantee is offered here-spool supply dependent upon availability-there are still things that can go wrong]
Processing charges::£5.00 for 9 meter & 15 meter lengths.Both negative & reversal processing undertaken for the same price.
5363 b/w film can be processed/loaded under a red darkroom safelight.This is my most used film stock for motion picture [8mm] & b/w 35mm slides.I think very highly of the results.
Orwo UN54 b/w reversal/negative film & Orwo DP3 are also possibilities as I have large supplies of these stocks.Also Orwo DN2.Exposure index for UN54 is 100 iso.Orwo DP3 10-15 iso panchromatic. DN2 5 iso panchromatic.All iso figures refer to reversal processing.No prices for these extra films as yet.
If you do not wish to load your own chargers you can send them to me for loading/unloading.Supplies of chargers & spools are limited so it is important to keep these within the 9.5 community.
My production process lends itself to very short production runs.For example members of the Canadian pan 8 association order
regular 8mm film from me made from inexpensive 35mm short ends & recans slit & perforated to 8mm [usually colour negative film].The results are then digitized [on rare occasions film itself is projected ]
The 9.5mm production process can piggy back off my usual 8mm production method so special orders can be accomodated here too.I will not work with polyester based film as this quickly wears blades punches & dies.Preservation of the production machinery is the top priority here.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 26, 2015, 06:31 AM:

A great choice, Edward, congratulations!
I want to take the various possibilities in 9 meters, but because I want to buy also Regular 8 I write in email right now.

I'm the first ninefivers to buy? Go, people! [Smile]

EDIT:

Kodak 5363 it's B/W 10-15 Asa?
Orwo DP3 it's B/W 10-15 Asa?
Orwo DN2 it's B/W 5 Asa? (5!)
Orwo UN54 it's B/W 100 Asa?

ALL are avaible with reversal or negative processing?
Negative processing with positive film projection (not in digital)?

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 26, 2015, 09:55 AM:

When reversal processed at Andek filmtechnik I have found the following exposure indices to be useful.
7363/5363 10asa old type
7363/5363 most recent batch sold to me by Kodak 5asa
Orwo DP3 15asa
Orwo DN2 5asa
When reversal processed with my own equipment the 7363/5363 stays at 5asa .Orwo DP3 drops to 10asa.I have no data for DN2 having not processed it at home.Published data for UN54 is 100asa reversal.
Exposure ratings much less critical for negative processing.Commercial continous processing machines always produce the best results,especially on drying & hypo clearing stages.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 26, 2015, 11:54 AM:

I wish to order 5 15 meter loads of 100 asa reversal stock.
The French magazine has been isued very recently so I don't think there will be another one before 25/01. I passed although the information to some people.

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 27, 2015, 05:26 AM:

Unfortunately my 100asa Orwo UN54 is on 16mm rolls & I can not use this with my 35mm 9.5 perforator.I know of someone who has unperforated 35mm Orwo UN54 but it is a 300meter roll & I don't know if he'll sell it to me & ,if he does,at what price.Unperforated 35mm UN54 does not suit my current production method for 8mm film.
Only orders for the 5363 can be accepted now.Other stocks are future possibilities .[DN2/DP3 are available in my fridge but I want to start with a red safe light film so that I can see what is going on & check for any problems with newly commissioned machinery.]

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 27, 2015, 05:50 AM:

Ok, I change my order. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 28, 2015, 07:09 PM:

So do I [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 04, 2016, 12:30 PM:

Edward, I got a message from Mr Le Rohellec who made a Survey last year about black an white stock. He tried to register on this forum but didn't succeed. So he asked me to let you know that 4 or 5 ninefivers answered that they would buy around 20 30 meter spools yearly. Mr Le Rohellec has moved recently so he has still documents packed but as soon as they come back at light he will contact people who were interested.

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on January 12, 2016, 12:14 PM:

Thank you Dominique for your message reference Mr Rohellec.The computer software is very case sensitive when registering on this forum.Your information is encouraging.It does surprise me with this level of interest that supplies of b/w 9.5mm film is not already available from the usual sources.Whilst other people have already offered to me 9.5 slitters unfortunately said machinery needs to be matched to my perforator & to the fact that I'm using already perforated 35mm film.This means that I still need to make a slitter matched to my purposes.
I would be pleased to supply the 9.5mm market you indicate but I don't want to put in money & effort only to suddenly find that someone else jumps in & leaves me high & dry.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on January 12, 2016, 05:49 PM:

Best of 9,5mm format it's that is joining a considerable size of the frame to a aesthetics of cameras, projectors and various accessories very beautiful, number of users of the forum and interested clubs there are over expectations. Maybe a little 'less are factive users of cameras with film, of course, a calculation it could be 50% of all.
A French film club 9.5mm told me that they are ONLY filmmakers and not collectors, in the UK there is the movement you know, me and Dominique buy with regularity color film reels in 9m and 30 of form Color City.
We are not many, but for a format so old so much. I noticed it also for the market of 9,5mm splicers and rare editor viewers, in eBay will sell enough, a sign that there are people who assembles films in this format. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 08, 2016, 08:05 AM:

Any news ?

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on July 06, 2016, 05:50 PM:

Sorry,the slitter has been built but it is still not working properly
[in its 8mm form].Knowledge gained here can be applied to the 9.5mm unit.As usual ,with any prototype,the production schedule is slipping.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 01, 2016, 06:21 PM:

Thank you for the update. I got recently two requests about this project so I could answer properly. I keep my fingers crossed.

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on August 29, 2016, 10:53 AM:

The 8mm slitter works [each set of blades lasts for more than 300 meters-phew!!]but the machine needs further refinement/development to do what I want.
I am now starting to manufacture 8mm cores [not an off the shelf item ].
All this applies to 9.5mm as 1]a drop in slitting 9.5mm module now needs to be made for the slitter & 2]the lathe jig for 8mm core manufacture needs a 9.5mm copy made too if we are to have 300 meter runs of 9.5mm film.
I'm already receiving orders for 8mm colour negative manufactured from cheap 35mm shortends-a possibility for 9.5mm if needed.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on October 06, 2016, 04:31 AM:

Hello Edward, news for the 9.5mm? [Smile]

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on November 28, 2016, 10:39 AM:

Reference 9.5mm film delays have occurred as I am dealing with a difficult family situation.One of my UK based customers has bought freshly manufactured 9.5mm b/w film from someone in Germany.I have requested details as there is not enough 9.5mm business to support 2 or more manufacturers.The orders for 600 meters of 9.5mm film I have collected will be passed over to him as he is manufacturing now.Quite why no one knows about him is a mystery to me.
If the German supplier has difficulties fulfilling said orders I would re-enter 9.5mm production.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 28, 2016, 10:55 AM:

Thanks for the info, Edward. It seems that some black and white stock may be also available from Spain in limited quantity next year. Did you pass my 5 15 meter loads order ? To whom ? Will this person contact us ?

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on November 30, 2016, 06:19 PM:

Thanks for news, Edward!

Posted by Edward Nowill (Member # 5125) on January 05, 2017, 12:23 PM:

Try Mr Wolfundinge [email address spelt phonetically to avoid spam robots]
wolfundinge[at]t[dash]online.de

Posted by Simon Wyss (Member # 1569) on January 08, 2017, 09:27 AM:

Mr. Otte is a very kind man. We used to work together when I had my lab. It was a piece of honor to develop his 100-footers of 9½.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 17, 2017, 02:50 AM:

As reported in another thread, black and white 9.5 filmstock will be available soon in sufficient quantity for everybody. To second the efforts made to bring the filmstock back, Ciné Club de France's member, Monsieur Dupin made a prototype of a 9.5 developper tank. His tank is made of plumbery material and so is unexpensive to make. It is a propotype so there is a cap to add and of course it has to be tested. This model takes 9 mt of film. If it works, Monsieur Dupin will write a whole technical article in a next issue of the 9.5 French magazine.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 04, 2017, 04:02 PM:

9.5 black and white filmstock is being made available but this takes time. So far, 120 mt of the new 35 mm spool has been reperford to 9.5 (so 360 mt of 9.5 film). US, Australia, France, Spain,Germany, UK and Belgium have, as I know, ordered and received films.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 14, 2017, 06:23 AM:

It seems that the Spanish club received more requests than expected, which is a good new for the gauge but will probably lead to find a way to reperfor film on a larger scale. If you intend to shoot in black and white this year, I would advise you to order filmstock long time before you need it to avoid an out of stock situation. Mister Otte is going on holidays next week so that will alos slow things. 9.5 is often regarded as a dead gauge but Color City sold its remaining colour filmstock much quicker that what they thought and they still receive calls to ask when 9.5 will be available again...

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 20, 2017, 06:01 PM:

New 35 mm stock will be ordered to face the demand. The Spanish laboratory that intends to process black and white films is progressing in adaptating the existing machine and a test will be done in July so good news could come in a foresable future.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on September 04, 2017, 04:33 PM:

Machines are now installed. Tests are being made to process negative stock. Reversal stock process will be test after that. Things are moving towards the good direction [Smile]

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on October 28, 2017, 12:41 PM:

Dom, do you think we'll have the film in 2018? [Smile]

But even the availability of negative film would not be bad, maybe it would be a inedited thing for 9.5mm! Although it would be difficult to have a positive (for Super 8, instead, it's possible)...

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 28, 2017, 06:54 PM:

Luigi, the film is not the problem at the moment. We already have black and white filmstock. It's just out of stockat the moment for the reason I gave : the manufacturer keeps unperfored film only on request so we have to wait for the 2018 production. The problem is to have a lab that will process it professionally.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on October 29, 2017, 05:59 PM:

Thank you, Dom, clearly.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on May 04, 2018, 05:23 PM:

There is some news about the lab. There are two different machines used : one to process negative stock and the other for reversal. The "reversal machine" is yet not adapted for 9.5 but the negative one is. So it means that the Spanish lab can now process 9.5 black and white negative film (the Orwo film can be process as negative or as reversal). I know it is of little use but can be needed for titles. It you print a title with black text on a white paper, you willl have a white text on a black ground on the screen if you process the stock as negative. If you have enough films with titles missing, this service could be interesting. But the real good news is that things are moving on for reversal (black and white) stock. The lab will try this month to use the "negative machine" to process 9.5 film as reversal. If it works, things should go fast since no modifications would be needed. If this machine cannot be used, the other one will need some adaptation but nothing that cannot be done without too complications.The cost of the process is the same (at the moment anyway) than 16 mm and is not cheap but keep in mind that the filmstock is unexpensive (13 euros for a 30 mt/100 ft spool). The lab's website is in Spanish but they answer in English when you send them an e-mail. http://retrolab.eu/Revelado_super8_servicios.html

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on May 07, 2018, 07:57 PM:

It's a great news, Dom. In Super 8 and 16mm it happened to me to shot negative for titles (not to waste a total black print with white words.) I've even used the negative also for effects, for example, on very poor animated drawings, it can be a nice "blackboard" effect.

Then, oh well, for Super 8 and 16mm I also used the remaining and edited shot for the positive copy, but I think there is no one in the world to print positive in 9.5mm.

We hope that the machine will work well for reversal or that the adaptation of the other machine is fast, I will immediately take stock!

P.S. I would also buy 30 meters reels, which I would then cut in the dark in 9 meters pieces for the cartridges in my camera.
I hope there are no problems the for developing 3x9m film. If it happens to you, can you ask for this info at the lab? Thank you! [Smile]

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