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Alex Fox
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- posted February 04, 2004 10:29 AM      Profile for Alex Fox   Author's Homepage   Email Alex Fox   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Kevin @ Mike
Thank you for your welcome, I live in a small village called Vineland Ontario CANADA near to Buffalo New York state U.S.A. I am 76 years old and have been in this hobby since the 1950s, I accualy bought my first 35 mm toy projector before the last war
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Alex Fox
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- posted February 04, 2004 10:30 AM      Profile for Alex Fox   Author's Homepage   Email Alex Fox   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Kevin @ Mike
Thank you for your welcome, I live in a small village called Vineland Ontario CANADA near to Buffalo New York state U.S.A. I am 76 years old and have been in this hobby since the 1950s, I accualy bought my first 35 mm toy projector before the last war
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Tony Milman
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- posted February 04, 2004 01:39 PM      Profile for Tony Milman   Author's Homepage   Email Tony Milman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, apologies if I have missed anyone or misspelled a name.

Summary so far...(Kev where are your numbers)

For the GS range

in descending order:-

Name Model Serial
Alan Rik GS1200 880647
Alan Gougher GS1200 880578
Doug Meltzer GS1200 880572
Doug Meltzer GS1200 831972
Ugo Grassi GS1200 831786
Ronnie Coeuhant GS1200 831592
Paul Suchy GS1200 831436
Tony Milman GS1200 830983
Ugo Grassi GS1200 829475
Ugo Grassi GS1200 828777
Xander Van der Merwe GS1200 828363
Paul Adsett GS1200 827737
Mikael Sundstrom GS1200 827533
Alan Rik GS1200 827305
D'Arcy More GS1200 827241
Paul Adsett GS1200 826949
Mike Peckham GS1200 825756
Mike Peckham GS1200 825292
Heinrich Kronshlaeger GS1200 824962
Alex Fox GS1200 823704
Ugo Grassi GS1200 821932
Alex Fox GS1200 821310
Ugo Grassi GS1200 821090
Ugo Grassi GS1200 820930

Then the ST

Name Model Serial
Ronnie Coeuhant St1200HD 408263
Paul Suchy St1200HD 407104
Doug Meltzer St1200HD 402781
chris quinn St1200HD 306782
chris quinn St1200HD 304713
Joe Taffis St1200HD 24432

Sad I know

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Mikael Sundstrom
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- posted February 04, 2004 02:36 PM      Profile for Mikael Sundstrom   Email Mikael Sundstrom   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ugo has 6 GS's [Eek!] ??!!!

Thatīs incredible. It took me a long time to find ONE!

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Mike Peckham
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- posted February 04, 2004 03:34 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You know, now we've gone this far we really ought to set up some sort of register or co-operative whereby we can arrange to have spares made up to keep these beasties going for a long time to come. [Wink]

Mike

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Kevin Faulkner
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- posted February 04, 2004 03:52 PM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Tony,
You beat me to it with the list. I was going to do that run down over the weekend and slip my five numbers in. [Wink] I'll sort it later. Why did you leave the other machines off?
Lets keep this going please and let me know if the GS's are ver 1, 2 or 3's.
Joe, is that serial number really that short on your ST1200HD?

Kev.

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Mike Peckham
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- posted February 04, 2004 04:01 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just had a look at those numbers and I'm wondering whether it would be fair to say that the entire run of GS 1200s ran to about 12,000 units?

What do you think?

Mike

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Ugo Grassi
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- posted February 04, 2004 04:31 PM      Profile for Ugo Grassi   Email Ugo Grassi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh my God.. I have 6 GS!! [Eek!]
Ok Ok friends.. one of these is out of order (I have it for spare parts); an other one is disassembled (and I don't find the time to reassemble it); and an other is for one of my friends (it's waiting - the projector not the friend - for a total check, and a two blade shutter)...
Eh ehehe... was someone thinking I'm crazy... [Big Grin]

a last information: the younger GS I saw has this serial number: 831395. On the main motor there is 1984 (!); the motors for the arms are different from the others I saw; the recplay heads are like heads I have for spare. I have received this information few minutes ago from one of my friends who bought that GS from me.

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Kevin Faulkner
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- posted February 04, 2004 06:37 PM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
Ugo, I also have a spare GS Head Block and the erase head is black instead of white. Is that like your spare one?
12,000 units? They were all hand built and dont forget they were still selling ST1200's, 600's Sc18's etc etc. I think these numbers mean more than we think which is why I am interested in them. I suspect they refer to yr, week and day etc. I cant belive they made 12,000 units by hand along with all the other machines. May be wrong though.

Kev.

Kev.

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Alan Gouger
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- posted February 04, 2004 10:34 PM      Profile for Alan Gouger     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Im posting this on behalf of Richard Tosti. He does not have access to the internet.

GS1200 Xenon 881109

GS1200 822706

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Tony Milman
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- posted February 05, 2004 01:01 AM      Profile for Tony Milman   Author's Homepage   Email Tony Milman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kev,

Sorry, it was a bit rude of me. I have sent you the Excel file by email for you to play with/update.

The other machines are included

Tony

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Ugo Grassi
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- posted February 05, 2004 03:37 AM      Profile for Ugo Grassi   Email Ugo Grassi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Kev.
yes, it is! I suppose these heads are stronger than the original, with a long life. Two or three months ago some heads like these were on Ebay.de. The seller wrote the heads came from the last stock made for the GS, and he also wrote those were able to work for 500h. instead 250h of the original. What do think?
Bye

[ February 05, 2004, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Ugo Grassi ]

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Steve Klare
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- posted February 05, 2004 06:31 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's my sole contribution

1) ST-800, S/N 78530

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Alan Gouger
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- posted February 05, 2004 08:40 AM      Profile for Alan Gouger     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If see mentioned type 1/2/3
What are the differences between them.

If all this will be in the revised list no need to respond.
For us not so technical, inquiering minds want to know [Smile]

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John Clancy
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- posted February 05, 2004 09:36 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ugo, 250h or 500h!!! Mine do more than that every year. Is this figure correct? I'm assuming this means hours.

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Alan Rik
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- posted February 05, 2004 10:13 AM      Profile for Alan Rik   Email Alan Rik   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What have you noticed about the differences between the various machines that you have owned?
I noticed that the Halogen Gs I use to own, was a little bit louder, more prone to hum, and I did have to use the loop restorer often.
Then I use to own a Playback only model Xenon. This was a very nice machine that was fairly quiet, no hum, but the heads on this machine were so so. The last Xenon I had which could play and record, had the most wear, but also had the best sound of all the 3 machines I owned. It was also the quietest.

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Joe Taffis
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- posted February 05, 2004 12:50 PM      Profile for Joe Taffis   Email Joe Taffis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kev, it's an ST1200D, not HD. Yes, only a five digit #. I'm still looking for a good HD with mag/optical sound. BTW, I added my ST800 # to the earlier post [Smile]

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Kevin Faulkner
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Thanks for that Joe. Yes I suppose the "D" would be a much earlier number sorry but I missed the lack of a "H".
Alan, As far as i know the heads didnt change on the GS's but I may be wrong. What I can tell you is that the Xenon version has a different amp. I think its 30W per channel. It doesnt surprise me that you can hear some diffs on the xenon compared to the std GS's. I am in the middle of buying a Xenon at the moment and cant wait to get my hands on it. It even has its original Box and all its accessories.
Looks like I will be selling one or two of my Std GS's to help pay for it. Anyone want a GS multi vlotage model (110 - 240V ver 3) [Wink]

Serial numbers of my machines:

823478 v1.5 GS1200
829023 v3.0 GS1200
829136 v3.0 GS1200

880525 Xenon GS1200 The one I'm not buying.
881033 Xenon GS1200 The one I am buying.

306018 ST1200HD Mag only.

I would be interested in seeing the versions if pos. Perhaps you guys could amend your posts adding that info.

Version 1, GS has dots on Vol and tone controls with black plastic input roller.
Version 2, Has dots again but has a silver input roller which controls a microswitch.
Version 3, Has lines on the controls instead of dots and also has a rear pointing looprestore lever. Film path second loop goes backward under the lens.

I have seen what I call a version 1.5. Its identical to the ver1 but does have a takup motor control board with only 2 control pots on it. The version 2 also has the control board but with 3 pots. Unfortunatley you have to remove the back to check this one out. The board is mounted on the rewind motor. No board and it's a ver 1.

Thanks again guys. I wonder who has the latest GS then? [Smile]

Kev.

[ February 05, 2004, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: Kevin Faulkner ]

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Bob Pucci
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- posted February 05, 2004 05:46 PM      Profile for Bob Pucci     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kev here is mine

GS 832083
GS 821459
GS Xenon 880645

ST 1200 87088
ST 1200HD 408081

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Rob Koeling
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- posted February 06, 2004 04:03 AM      Profile for Rob Koeling     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My two Elmo's:

ST-600 D : 311737
ST-1200 : 53695

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Ugo Grassi
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- posted February 06, 2004 04:41 AM      Profile for Ugo Grassi   Email Ugo Grassi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi John,
yes, it means hours. I understand your surprise. I think it was the theoretical value, but the practice is different.

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John Clancy
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Thank God for that or else I'd be up for three sound heads right now.

Kevin, I keep forgetting to get the serial numbers off my two Elmo's in London but I believe the Elmo I keep at the country abode has a main motor with 1985 stamped on it.

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Alan Rik
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Now I know why it was so hard to find an Elmo GS1200 before Ebay....all the collectors had more than one! [Smile]
Myself included!

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Heinrich Kronschlaeger
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- posted February 07, 2004 02:16 AM      Profile for Heinrich Kronschlaeger   Email Heinrich Kronschlaeger   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kevin wrote :
" Version 1, GS has dots on Vol and tone controls with black plastic input roller.
Version 2, Has dots again but has a silver input roller which controls a microswitch. "
Kevin, could you explain that again: Where are the black plastic or silver input rollers and where are the micro switches to be found? Which technical function do the micro switches have?
I noticed that older models do not have a micro switch over the threading part (which can be modified by Wittner) . For what does this switch serve?
Best regards
Henry

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Tony Milman
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- posted February 07, 2004 04:42 AM      Profile for Tony Milman   Author's Homepage   Email Tony Milman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Henry,

I believe Kevin is referring to the small roller at the front of the GS where you feed in the film. On later models Elmo changed it to a stainless steel one from a black plastic. The roller has the ability to move backwards as tension from the feed arm is felt by the film passing under it. It operates a lever which connects to a microswitch situated in the loop former. You can't see it without taking the loop former off but you can hear it click in and out if you press the steel roller in with your finger. I think the idea was to alter the torque to take account of the tension in the film but I can't remember if that is in the take up reel or the feed reel.

Rgds

Tony

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