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Topic: What is the print that your REALLY looking for?
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted June 18, 2007 10:54 AM
Good post Barry. While I wouldn't buy Master and Commander, (well, I might pick it up for the hell of it for a 100.00 dollars), I'm still happy to see it coming out, if for no other reason than that I can bitch about it, which is half the fun!
By the way, a must havce for me, (and I have at least heard rumors that prints were struck) is ...
BLADE RUNNER
My Gawd!! I'd love to have that one!!
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted June 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Dave ...
That's the fact with Optical sound super 8mm. If it was rated R in the theaters, it will be PG for the sirlines, just for the fact that children could very well be watching the film on the airline. Therefore, PG. Still, to have it on Optical would be awesome!
The other problem with optical sound super 8 is that it's pretty much Hit or miss with optical, as these were never meant to be sold, (except in select cases) to the public, so the fact that I have the 35 optical features that I have, is pure luck. I'm not saying for a fact that "Deliverance" actually exists, I am betting that such a sucessful film would most definitely be released on Super 8. Whether it made it out to collectors at some point is another matter altogether. One thing is for certian, the print quality will undoubtably be better than the average super 8 print.
"Alien", scope, is defintely worth picking up if and when you can find it. It's a very nice print. It's one of those films that you really wouldn't want to see in a modern movie theater, as it's a largely "quiet" film that has subtle sounds going on around you, and not the kind of film to be distracted from by rotten ill mannered brats running around the movie theater!
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Lars Pettersson
Master Film Handler
Posts: 282
From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted June 20, 2007 02:31 AM
Barry, Just curious, you wrote "The big factor these days is the cost of the negative, it's this cost that must be recovered before anything, and if it is thought that not enough prints will be sold to cover the cost"
What kind of money are we talking for the negative, and how many prints would be required for break even?
I´m thinking, if enough collectors could agree on some title everyone wants, and even would be willing to pay a premium prize for it to happen...?
Cheers, Lars
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1411
From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 20, 2007 02:40 AM
Lars,
The last time I released anything on 8mm (about 6-7 years ago now), a 2 minute trailer was costing me about £90 plus VAT, and this is before striping, buying the reels and the prints being sounded. Now I know for a fact that the negative prices have risen quite a bit since then, and I don't want to speculate, but if your talking about £100-120 for a 2 minute trailer, you've only got to do the maths how much a 90 minute film would cost. It doesn't sound to bad for a trailer release, but after all costs, you've got to sell about 20-25 trailers to just get your moeny back, and that is really hard these days.
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Jean-Marc Toussaint
Film God
Posts: 2392
From: France
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted June 21, 2007 04:45 AM
Thank you Barry for the inside tips. This was confirmed to me last year by Phil at CHC. The sale ratio of 20 to 25 prints is the same for features. Some of his releases/imports have sold only 5. As Mr Independent 8 said, do the maths.
I am not sure we can find 25 persons who would agree on one title to release (without even speaking of finding the material for said release).
Although I adore super 8, if I were to spend several hundred pounds/dollars/euros on one feature, I'd rather do it on a 16 or 35 mil print. Needless to say that not all collectors have that level of wealth.
Super 8, IMHO, is an ideal format for trailers, short subjects, extracts and cut-downs. Kudos to Derann and CHC for releasing material like Chub-Chubs, the Madagascar Penguins, The Bond or Matrix extracts. I'm convinced this is the way to go to keep all the collectors (particularly those with smaller budgets) happy.
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1411
From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 21, 2007 11:07 AM
Lars,
It's not the cost of sounding the prints thats the trouble, it's just finding FIRST "A title that will sell" then the most important thing is Finding the source print/negative , we all know the cost of a feature print, and the collector wants quality (naturally!), so it must either come off a 16mm interneg or a 16mm interneg made from a 35mm positive print, no other way around it I'm afraid. Considering the last feature from Derann "M&C" is about 2 years ago now, you can guess how easy it is to find suitable pre-print material. Shorts and trailers are a lot easier to come by, but as Kevin said he would prefer a decent F/L print, but it is bloody hard come up with something these days, so if anyone has any ideas?
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted June 21, 2007 03:18 PM
One thing we can do as collectors, is that occasionally internegs, (are all negatives called "inter-negs"?) pop up on ebay, (for instance, believe it or not, I believe the Ken Films Star Wars 200ft neg on 16mm showed up on ebay, or at least, one of them). Negatives of various titles do pop up. Now, ending up getting a negative that's a film you want to print is another thing.
I would REALLY love to find out where the various super 8 film lab materials in america dis-appeared to?
HEY!!! I just entered the 1000 posts club!!! YAY!! (though I liked being called a "Jedi-master film handler")
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