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Topic: A Curiosity about "Black Sunday"
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted January 25, 2010 06:13 PM
There is a "supposed" feature print of Black Sunday on ebay right now. It has nine days left as of this posting. there is only one shot and that is of the boxes. The seller states that it is a 4X400ft feature. That alone tells me that it is not a full feature, but the boxes seem to make it look like this seller just got ahold of a bunch of parts and not a full 4X400ft edited feature, as the first box, on top, says "400ft selected scenes edition". I also notice that the top box and the third box have the same cover illustration on top. Curious.
Now, did marketing just use the same boxes for the 400ft selected scene version and use them to house the edited versions, or is this guy selling a fraud? Could anybody who owns this spoecific title comment? Sorry, I don't have the knowledge to create a link.
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted January 25, 2010 08:30 PM
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Using thinner stock Marketing was able to release the 110 minute "Grease" on 4 400' reels
Yes certainly Doug, as you say, Grease is ONLY 110 minutes, while Black Sunday is 143 minutes. There is 33 minutes different, making 4 reels will not be possible in any type of stock. It has to be 35 minutes for every 400' reel (which is quite impossible) to get 140 minutes in 4 reels, and we still get short of 3 minutes. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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How has the color held up on your seperate versions of the film
Osi, having seen the box type, that is from early Marketing films (NY based). If you have "Raiders" you know how mostly the Marketing box is.
But the early one is different, it is more like a book keeper. The box is slightly bigger than the later ones. I have one like this (Godfather) and the color is totally washed out. I believe the early releases were on Eastman instead of Kodak SP that mostly later Marketing releases.
So beware.
cheers,
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Greg Marshall
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 612
From: Nashville, TN USA
Registered: Sep 2008
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posted January 25, 2010 09:41 PM
I contacted this seller yesterday about how the color is holding up... he states he does not have a projector, but when he ran the print 5 YEARS ago, "it seemed fine then, if I remember".
I wrote him back and suggested he roll out the leader and look at the frames up to a light source, as color can change dramatically in 5 years.
I have not heard from him.
So, I've written him again, and brought to his attention about the running time of the feature, and what seems to be represented in his picture does not reflect a full feature. I suggested that he end the auction and relist, as he's misrepresenting the item. (Thanks, Doug.... I did not look that closely at the artwork, and I'm interested in having this film.)
So maybe he'll do the right thing and do this. I know I'd be P-O'd, if I thought I was buying the full feature, and this showed up.
Oh, and I have the thin-based Grease print as well.... From running this film back in the 78, and 79, I remember specifically the end of each theatrical reel. A full theatrical reel can hold 2000 feet of film, and this relates to 19-20 minutes. The first reel of the polyprint of Grease has the first two theatrical reels on that one reel. With an average running time of, usually 17-18 minutes per theatrical reel, it is possible to have 34-36 minutes (maybe a little more) on a full polyreel. So, I'm thinking four FULL reels could probably accomodate the running time of 143 minutes of Black Sunday, if it were on the poly stock. (Doug, does that sound right?) BUT, this is not the full feature this guy is selling, looking closer at the artwork.
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Greg Marshall
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Nashville, TN USA
Registered: Sep 2008
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posted January 25, 2010 10:14 PM
Hi Winbert.... yes, it is true. Marketing used this very thin stock for the 4-reel/full-length Grease. It is of the nearly non-breakable stock, which I'm calling polyester... could be called Mylar. (Doug, is this correct terminology here, for this thin stock that Marketing used?)
I was surprised too, Winbert. When I collected back in the '90's, I bought a print of Grease.... 4 reels comes in a metal can, and just like Doug, I thought I had been ripped off, with 2 reels missing (Grease was 6 reels, theatrically). So I ran the print, and noticed after twenty minutes had passed, that I had quite a bit of film left on the reel, and that took it on through the theatrical reel 2. So, the whole feature was there, just less reels than normal. Soon after that, I learned this was a much thinner stock, and I'm guessing a cost-saving effort for Marketing, after all, this was the very-early 80's.... VHS had already surfaced, and I'm sure they saw the writing on the wall with the profits.
Sorry I wasn't clear, Winbert... hope this helps.
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Greg Marshall
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Nashville, TN USA
Registered: Sep 2008
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posted January 25, 2010 10:40 PM
Doug, how is your print made up? 7 or 8 reels, or did they use the thin stock? Chime in on this poly stock... is it thinner than other polyester stock?
2-3 of the 4 Grease reels weren't all the way full... one was, to the edge. You may not get the entire 143 of Black Sunday on 4 reels, but close. Easily, a theatrical reel can run up to 20 minutes. I'd need to time the first polyreel of Grease, but feel quite sure, it's around 35-36 minutes. For Black Sunday, they'd be full reels for sure, but not impossible.
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