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David Ryder
Junior
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From: Sheffield, UK
Registered: Jul 2013

posted July 02, 2013 03:11 PM

Hi I am am new to the forum and I recently purchased a
Sankyo stereo 702 and a couple of films in Cinemascope but the projector has no lens for the Cinemascope. My question is would a SANKOR ANAMORPHIC 16-D lens do the job or is the lens just for 16mm? If somebody could point me in the right direction that would be great,

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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
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posted July 02, 2013 03:26 PM

Should be perfectly OK for use on 8mm as well as 16 mm. The lens should also carry the legend "2X" as commercial Cinemascope prints need to be expanded to twice the width to look correct on screen.
General note: Lenses marked 1.5X or 1.75X ar NOT suitable for Cinemascope prints.

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Robert Crewdson
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posted July 02, 2013 03:48 PM

Here's a link to an Anamorphic lens for 8&16mm projectors.
http://www.mwclassic.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Cine__Pre_Cinema__Magic_Lantern___38.html

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David Ryder
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From: Sheffield, UK
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posted July 02, 2013 05:03 PM

Fantastic, thank you that's a big help

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Ernie Zahn
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posted July 02, 2013 08:15 PM

Thanks for the link! Is there anything else to consider besides the 2X requirement?

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted July 02, 2013 08:34 PM

A big consideration is how it's mounted. There's all sorts of ways of doing it, from cradling it in a sandbag to a commercial mount, but alignment is critical.

I have a semi-kludgy mounting scheme I'm hoping to abandon in favor of the mount that Steve Osborne sells soon.

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Jon Addams
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From: New York, NY, USA
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posted July 02, 2013 11:34 PM

quote:
"I recently purchased a
Sankyo stereo 702"

I own a Sankyo 702 and it is not stereo [Confused]

It is a two-track projector but not true stereo. Am I wrong here?

Jon

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted July 03, 2013 08:32 AM

Maybe we need to start calling machines like this "stereoish": they can play both tracks of a stereo recorded film, but only get channel separation with an external amp and speakers.

-so they are "stereo" in the same sense as a stereo CD player, but not the same as a GS-800 or GS-1200, that can manage all on their own.

On Topic: I have the same Sankor lens and it works just fine for Super-8.

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David Ryder
Junior
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From: Sheffield, UK
Registered: Jul 2013

posted July 05, 2013 02:22 AM

Thanks for all your help, I haven't had luck getting a lens yet but I am still searching! How bad does cinema scope look with no lens in standard ratio? too squashed to be enjoyed?

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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
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posted July 05, 2013 02:56 AM

Put it in the projector and try it?

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted July 05, 2013 05:46 AM

I watched my first 'scope film at least a year before I got an anamorphic lens and could see it in the correct aspect ratio. It's not that bad: people in general seem a little too tall and slim, fatter people actually look fine. Circles become ovals, squares rectangles. People on horseback look kind of funny! It's still enjoyable, just slightly odd.

When I got the lens it moved me to get a bigger screen. I had a 4 foot wide screen back then. A correctly formatted 'scope image was only a foot and a half high, so watching it this way was not really better than watching it squished. It just solved one problem and created a new one. (My screen is 8 feet wide now...)

You very often see footage like this on television when they are showing a 'scope movie and there is a title that goes from one side of the screen to the other. They can't pan and scan it without chopping text off, so they show it squished until the title is off screen. I used to think this was some cinematographer's effect from original production, but since I started messing with 'scope I know better.

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