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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 15, 2016 03:34 PM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi everyone [Smile]

If you didn't see my first topic in this forum, I'm trying to launch a project called "Super8ThisPlanet". The goal is quite simple but ambitious at the same time : to capture the essence of every capital cities around the world through a Super 8 camera and a cartridge.

It of course implies the spending of a lifetime, but I just posted the 1st film of this project, shot in Amsterdam during this summer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGGsq6j5so

Super8ThisPlanet Amsterdam

That's why I would enjoy some advice of yours, this forum being apparently full of experimented Super 8 users [Smile] So what advices could you give me for the next video ? And another thing : do you think I chose the right cartridge in order to shoot this film ? I remember it was a Kodak Vision 3 500T.

Thanks a lot, and long life to this forum ! (one more time, sorry for my English by the way) Pierre

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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- posted January 15, 2016 04:48 PM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Great job, Pierre. I will not comment on your choice of film as other people here are more savvy than I am when it comes to emulsion.
I just love your concept and it goes along quite well with that I'm trying to explain to people around me (especially now with the upcoming Kodak renaissance) about shooting super 8: when you're limited on film, you really do pay attention to what you want to shoot, therefore, each cartridge is quintessential.
The strange feeling I had while watching your film is that it felt like it was shot 30 odd years ago. That particular texture and colour tone are like no others. Whether it's wanted or not, the strobing in some pan shots adds to that feeling.
What was your postproduction workflow once the reel was processed?

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted January 15, 2016 05:39 PM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pierre, I like your film. Living in Brussels, I'm Lucky to be able to travel easily to Paris and Amsterdam which are close to my town, so I've been a good number of time in The Netherland's capital. Your film reflects very well the atmosphère of the city. I cannot comment about the Kodak Vision 3 500 T as I only shoot with reversal film to use a cine projector rather than digitalizing. All I can say is that it looks good on YouTube, probably the place where you want to put your films :-) Don't worry about the time your project will take. I've heard, no longer time ago than two days about a film (on 9,5) started in the 30's and finished in the 80's ! I understood it will be screened in a film festival but in the Marseille area, a little bit far away. I hope you will keep on posting a message on this forum each time you finish a film. have you already planned the next cities you will capture on super 8 ?

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 17, 2016 04:22 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks a lot to both of you [Smile]

I completely agree with you about the attention needed for shooting with Super 8 Jean-Marc, which gives its real charm !
Honestly I didn't do anything with postproduction, this is the original texture of the film after the process.

Dominique your feedback reassure me ! Nice to have your opinion as a specialist of these cities [Wink] I'll probably continue this project with Rome in february, and Dublin soon after.

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Raleigh M. Christopher
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- posted January 18, 2016 01:08 PM      Profile for Raleigh M. Christopher     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Did you have a print made from the negative?

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 19, 2016 02:30 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If you're talking about the printed film that you can put in a projector, yes I've got it [Smile]

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Lee Mannering
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- posted January 19, 2016 07:55 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Welcome Pierre to the hub of 8mm. [Cool]

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted January 19, 2016 10:47 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pierre, juste to be sure, how many films do you have ? One or two ? The filmstock you used in your camera is a negative film. So, you can digitalize it but not using it in a projector (because the colours are reversed). To get a reversal film (that can be used in a projector), you need to ask a lab to print the stock, which is expensive.

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 20, 2016 03:49 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Proud to have discover this forum Lee, thanks [Smile]

Damn Dominique, shame on me : I remember you ever taught me that before... Then I've got only this negative for Amsterdam, plus 2 printed Kodachrome 40 films (in black & white) for Prague. Did I correctly understand how to explain it now ? haha

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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- posted January 20, 2016 04:37 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hence my original question about your workflow:

Once your shooting was over in Amsterdam, you had that cartridge of negative film processed. What did you receive at the end?
- A digital scan of the film (positive? negative?)
- A positive film print made from your original 50ft roll negative?
- The 50ft roll of negative film?

ie - can you load the roll of film into a projector and screen it?

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted January 20, 2016 06:47 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
ENGLISH TRANSLATION BELOW

Pierre, si tu as simplement fait développer ton film Kodak Vision, tu as un film négatif (comme les pellicules photo), les couleurs sont inversées. Pour projeter (de façon normale) tu devrais faire tirer une copie positive (mais c'est très cher). Nous attendons tous une nouvelle pellicule inversible(Ferrania ou peut-être Kodak puisqu'ils vont remettre une caméra sur le marché) à prix raisonnable. En couleurs, on ne trouve plus (et pas partout) que des chargeurs avec du film Agfa (mais le grain est très prononcé) et des chargeurs Kahl (mais on ne les trouve pas en vente seule, il faut acheter d'autres choses en même temps). En noir et blanc, par contre, on trouve de la pellicule inversible (donc comme les diapos : on peut projeter directement), Kodak notamment.

Pierre, if you had just your Kodak Vision film process, you have a negative film (like the photo negative), colours are reversed. To project (the normal way), you have to have a reversal print made (but that's very expensive). we are all waiting for a new reversal stock (Ferrania or maybe Kodak as they are re-introducing a camera) at reasonnable price. In colours we find now only (and not everywhere) cartridges with Agfa stock (but it is very grainy) and Kahl cartrdges (but only in packages). In black and white, however, you can find reversal stock (so like diapos : you can project directly), Kodak to name only one.

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Lee Mannering
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- posted January 20, 2016 09:47 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pierre. We are also looking forward to Kodaks new Super 8mm cine camera complete with digital sound recording to SD cards.
You may have already spotted it on the Kodak site. [Smile]
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The last time we were in Amsterdam I was filming with a Pathescope Super 8 cine camera, great fun.

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted January 20, 2016 10:33 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Lee, I'm surprised to read you used a Pathescope super 8 camera as I thought the company closed down in 1960. Was that only their 9,5 department ?

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 21, 2016 04:28 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Merci pour tout ces détails Dominique [Smile]

Yes, I saw this big anouncement ! I heard the price will be something like 700 dollars, right ? By the way, looking at the detailed description on their website, I didn't manage to understand how the sound will be captured... will it be contained entirely in this little microphone ?

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Lee Mannering
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- posted January 21, 2016 07:48 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes Dom there certainly was a Pathescope Super 8 cine camera. All metal construction and a very good sharp lens, the results were good from the Holland filming and the 9-5 Festival something like 10 years ago. The cine camera caused a great deal of interest amongst the guys who had never seen one before but they are about. [Big Grin] I'll scan a bit of film and upload a still.

Here you go.
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Also a scene where our dear Roger Spence spotted my cine camera and we certainly had a great deal of fun in Holland that year.

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I see Kodak state this about the new super 8 camera
"The result of this collaboration is the first in the next generation of film cameras for a new generation of creators"

Really positive from them and looking forward.

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Dominique De Bast
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Thank you, Lee. It is always nice to make such discoveries :-)

Pierre, the price of the new Kodak camera is not precisely known, yet. Kodak gave a range of price and 700 $ seemed to be a kind of maximum (for that model). From what I understand, the sound will be recorded on a SD card.

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Larry Arpin
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- posted January 21, 2016 11:05 PM      Profile for Larry Arpin   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Arpin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The only things I would say is use a tripod for at least some of the shots. The 500 asa film gave some of the shots an older look which I found kind of neat. Maybe use 100 asa for some daytime shots if possible. I liked the sign 'Keep calm smoke weed no tobacco'. Otherwise you did a great job of covering the people and place and the many things going on.

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 22, 2016 10:11 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you for the details Dominique !

Larry I know what you mean, and it would probably be more estethic due to the stability of a tripod. But I liked this idea of keeping the camera in your hand, ready to shoot any brief moment of life which would be interesting to put in the film. Even if I don't think the "keep calm, smoke week no tobacco" would have run very fast during the installation of it [Smile]

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Harm Jan Heling
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- posted January 24, 2016 01:40 PM      Profile for Harm Jan Heling   Author's Homepage   Email Harm Jan Heling   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Nice idea, I love it! For those looking for more info on cameras and stuff, this is my (old) website, dedicated to super-8 filming. It's not entirely up to date, but some info is still accurate:

Super 8 Camera

Happy filming!

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Marc Marti
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- posted January 25, 2016 04:54 PM      Profile for Marc Marti   Email Marc Marti   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Your project is very interesting!
Looking forward to watch the next filmed cities.
Just a little note: your film can look much much better if you do a high quality transfer. Your current telecine doesn't make justice to your images.

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Pierre Beuzat
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- posted January 27, 2016 05:30 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks a lot Harm, proud that you enjoyed the idea [Smile]

Marc I see what you mean, but actualy (my question will seem a bit "amateur" but anyway...) how do you manage to have a better quality transfert ?

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Lee Mannering
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Harm Used my Nizo 6080 heavily last year using mainly Agfa 200D stock, gives plenty of exposure latitude.

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