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Andrew Woodcock
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Mashed softwood trees,a non factual read, for me! [Big Grin] [Wink]

Travolta and Thurman iconic dance scene please! [Wink]

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Mark Todd
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The Parkour sequence from Casino Royal with Daniel Craig would be a superb one possibly for future idea`s.

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Joe Taffis
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Personally, I would like to see a new 600' horror digest. Maybe like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or some other classic in the genre. Even though most of the old IFS and Derann prints of TCM have some degree of color fade, they always sell for big amounts when offered for sale...

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Tom Photiou
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Oddly enough Joe there is an Iver full 450ft digest on ebay now, looking at the state of it i am gob smacked thats its already up to £26, its not a particularly rare film but it does seem to sell well no matter what.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231952993930?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Apologies for going a bit off topic here, I think realisticly trailers may be the only new releases we may see due to costs and declining collectors, thats why the idea of The Hateful 8 as a long trailer in scope is so appealing. Hoping it does go ahead. I am also going to support The Back to the Future promo Phil is looking at releasing, i believe this one is at the labs.
What film stock is used these days? Are we going to be getting low fade? I hope so. I did very much want to get hold of both of the True lies extracts but i just cant justify to my wife that kind of spend for 30 minutes of film. I know its a great release though.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I'd like B.T.T.F. also Tom [Smile]

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Stuart Reid
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Been following this thread with interest. I'm of the opinion that as collectors, if we went down the crowd funding route we could probably get more new releases. Let's say we wanted a 600ft release of something, we'd almost definitely be able to work out the variables of pre-print work, lab costs, sound striping etc. If we know those costs, we can work out how many prints at what price to make it an attractive proposition and gauge the crowdfund accordingly. If we get oversubscribed even better, more prints at a slightly reduced cost for all.

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Mark Todd
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Yes two I might suggest 600 footer wise would be Zulu and Chitty.

Two winners I am sure. Especially Zulu.

If we could get a 25/30 mins version of Zulu to say £99 it could work.

Maybe we should try it as a forum itself release.

Best Mark.

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Adrian Winchester
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Many thanks to all who have supported the proposed new release featuring two 'scope trailers. It's excellent news that Phil has more than enough orders to want to proceed, and we therefore don't have to worry that any messages failing to reach him could be problematic. I've sent him the list. The historic nature of this initiative is reinforced by Phil saying: "Its nice at long last after 29 years in business to have been asked to release something!!!!!" Much credit is of course due to Mark, and thanks are also due to Vidar, who has provided enthusiastic support and significantly boosted our numbers by whipping up interest on Facebook.

Regarding the history that Mark has outlined, my one addition would be my post in March titled Recent trailers for 8mm release 'masters' which mentioned that certain trailers (including one that would be on this release) are still appearing on 35mm. Although we have reached viability in terms of orders, the remaining key element is to obtain the 35mm prints needed. Phil has approached his USA contacts, but if any forum member can assist by finding or asking around with a view to acquiring either or both trailers, please do so.

To answer a question from Tom, the release would be polyester low fade - I think finding fade-prone stock would be impossible now, even if you wanted it! I'm virtually certain it would be on Kodak stock as I examined my recently-printed polyester 'Super 8' trailer and that's Kodak.

This thread has been of such exceptional importance that I'd suggest that we make it the one place to home in on news regarding this particular project. If discussion on possible other releases, etc, happens elsewhere, we can keep the focus here on the matter in hand, which will help all who have placed orders to find the information they want, and thus avoid the tendency for the same questions to repeatedly come up.

I agree 100% that this initiative is a credit to the 8mm Forum, which has an impressive history of publicising and supporting new releases - which can't be taken for granted on every forum. It's a great example of talk being backed up by action!

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Andrew Woodcock
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Brilliant words of wisdom there Adrian and I'd also like to give personal praise and thanks to all those who made this a realistic proposition here.

That of course includes your good self Adrian,but equally not forgetting the input from Mark and of course Vidar in all of this.
Well done all! [Smile] [Smile]

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Mark Todd
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Great Adrian, it really is a good little step forward, and bringing the support, and active interest of collectors on to this side of a release adds weight possitivity and viability to a project.

Your right too, probably best to keep on this track, but with luck if this can happen, we might see other future projects brought forward in this way.

Maybe odd ones will need pre funding as well, but it all helps.

With Kodaks new camera, and renewed interest in analogue generally as well, who can say if we might get a few more people in to the fold.

That needs Classic and Steve Osbourne to keep some new, and interesting product in the hobby as they do, and hopefully we can all support them in that.

Well done Adrian, Vidar, ( hope he`s getting better ) and all us filmie nuts on here.

I do think a forum backed, and even, forum done release would be a great idea as well for the future.

Best Mark.

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Dominique De Bast
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It's fantastic to see that the sentence "Quand on veut, on peut" (When one wants, one can") applies in our cine world. Thanks to all those who make this new release possible !

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Tom Photiou
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Thanks Adrian, thats good to know about the film stock.
I know this probably sounds really stupid, BUT,
How good would it be to get Tarantino on board here, only because of his love for actual film. (one can dream).
In regard to a 600 foot reel, this has come up many times with many suggestions, but (& i would love that opening to Private Ryan) i would imagine the cost of a new 600ft release would probably be in the region of £150 upwards which does unfortunately make it difficult for many. The trailers are certainly affordable.
Perhaps the next stage to support phil or Steve Osborn or whoever manages to get this going should be a deposit of no return from all of us on the list to actually prove our commitment and also seal the deal????
If i ever win the lotto i will somehow pay for a feature release, i dont care if it only sold two copies, i would love to be able to release a film on 8. [Wink]

Now then, how about about a brand new projector. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] (only joking) [Wink]

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Dominique De Bast
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Tom, I believe that 150 £ for a 600 ft release would be an optimistic price, that would probably more expensive. You're right by saying that would be too much for many budgets but when you see the prices asked and paid for second hand prints, it is not sure that such a film would not find buyers.

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Tom Photiou
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That is very true. [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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Never forget,as I was tempted to work out today, that a 600ft average 28min Super 8 film contains some 40,320 individual transparencies.

If you look upon it that way, compared to old fashioned 35mm slide film, £150 perhaps doesn't seem so steep after all in 2016. Especially with a soundtrack! [Wink]

If a 50ft camera stock cartridge now retails for $45, maybe more proof that this really isn't too bad value all things taken into account.

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Tom Photiou
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were you a salesman in a previous life by any chance? [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Dominique De Bast
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I've just received the latest list from CHC. I'm surprised there is not a single line about the trailer release. CHC's website is not more informative : nothing at all about the project. I would expect from the main concerned person "more" (if that word can be used in this case) promotion.

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Antoine Orsero
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I do not buy at CHC because give its coordinated its Visa card and the site does not seem secure! I prefer to pay by Paypal but Phil does not accept!
It's a shame

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Adrian Winchester
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I too had a look at the list and wondered if it might say something. However I'm not extremely surprised that it doesn't because now that Phil S knows that the demand is there, the key thing is track down the master material, and he might be wary of raising hopes in advance of this. Much as I hope it happens, we can't underestimate the challenge in relation to getting hold of 35mm trailers, particularly in relation to the latest film. The number of prints made must be tiny compared to the pre-digital era, and I'd imagine they are highly sought after by 35mm collectors. I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that we might need to ask the director if he might be willing to assist. He provided an enthusiast quote about the new Kodak camera, for the Kodak site!

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Mark Todd
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I`ve not had a reply a few times from Phil now.

It is possible with no mention or the source difficulties or the fact it was a forum generated idea/project etc he is not so fussed on taking it forward. There are still options forum wise etc.

We all for sure might make an effort to support CHC on thier current releases a bit more, so it looks like doing further things might be worth the effort or cost for them.

How about we all check out what they do already and buy something new in the next few weeks in " summer " to show willing.

Best Mark.

PS I tried to contact Quentin on 19th March via a message through facebook, but its gone off now. It was`nt read. I explained what we were trying to do etc, also real film etc etc.

PPS Antoine, Its a shame you have to miss out, I`m sure one of us would do it for you with our UK card and you could paypal gift the balance if ever needed. They do have a paypal but don`t use it generally.

Odd I went back on my page in again and the Quentin message shows now !!!! again.

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I just thought I would run this past you all as we may well struggle with especially the later trailer as although shown on real film in some places, promotion of it was quite likely 99% + Digital, Maybe totally.

The earlier trailer was around but is worth a lot all cut up and sold in actual frames if you will so could be very difficult as well.

If it isn`t possible to get material from the director, not so easy ? possibly. I still hope we can contact him and discuss it, etc etc.

As we all know what we are talking about, and after all they are only open source marketing tools, and there is no money in it, more the opposite costing to actually do, here are the two I think would make the best super 8 release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUdM9vrCbow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AKBYP4meB4

What I am asking is are people happy if we need to get a negative made from Good HD Digital sources for the super 8 release.

( It can be done, no need to go further on that )

It does`nt worry me at all, and would mean we can choose the best trailers. ( I think these two are ).

Not sure if CHC would go down that route, if still interested, but it would very certainly make it much much easier to take further forward. Also while the interest is all still about.

Best Mark.

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I have seen 16mm sourced from digital on a large screen and it was beautiful. (Not saying what, who, how or where...we all know why.)

I'm in favor of this even more than getting a couple more trailers we will be busting through a barrier in the way of future prints.

-what film sources there are now will not be in a few years.

Being too much the purist will get us nowhere here. Even if you find a modern film projection print, the odds it's stayed on film from the moment of conception are pretty tiny these days.

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I agree. Even a large proportion of vinyl pressings are mastered from digital sources.

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I saw also a 16mm made from a digital source. I was asked by a pm when I mentionned it before to remain discreet about that, so I will juste say that the quality was very good.

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Mark Todd
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Well it could just have to be a case of needs must, but the results might also be rather nice.

No worse a thing than Bugs life or Toy Story on super 8.

It could mean if Phil is up for it, we can move things along while we are all built up on it.

It also might open things up as said for future things.

Best Mark.

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