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Topic: Star Wars trilogy in super 8
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Michael Beyer
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 233
From: Bingen, Germany
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted February 06, 2013 02:08 AM
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By the way, why Empire never got an official release ? The owner of the rights are the same for each film of the trilogy : why did they allow official release of SW and Jedi, and not for ESB ?
Hi Baudime,
that's something what I don't understand, too, why Derann never released Empire. Perhaps it was, because "Empire" was not as famous as the other ones of the trilogy.
BTW: The same with James Bond: the only "official" releases were some flat airline-prints. I never understand, why the films were not released on Super 8. The only ones you can get are bootlegs. And some titles are really bad quality.
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Then having the opportunity to have a quite new set of prints for the entire trilogy is something which does happen often...
To me it happened, because the formally owners of my Star Wars and Jedi are friends of mine.
I know what you mean, but I must say, if I can have a better print as bootleg than the original (f.e. Once upon a time...), I prefer the bootleg ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
And I think, that I am a real collector, as you can see on my website
Keep perforated,
Michael
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Just remember the time when Home Cinema was not a disc...keep perforated
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 06, 2013 01:52 PM
Though Empire was never "officially" released, the German scope print is nothing to sneeze at and I do believe, is a much better color than Derann's STAR WARS feature, (though I have that too), and is also sharper.
Now, though I love STAR WARS, I chose to not buy the Jedi print as I hate those damned ewoks, (I can't get away from the truth that they do look like little people in bear costumes! GRRR!), that, and I have also seen some incredibly AWFUL printings of the Derann Jedi. I bought one from a German collector for a friend and I was apalled at how bluish it was. It was in fact, so bluish that the Endor scenes had very little actual green, just shades of blue. I'm not kidding, it was that bad. I should hope that not all printings of Jedi faired so terribly as I Derann does have high marks as a general rule for they're prints.
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Baudime Jam
Film Handler
Posts: 50
From: France
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted February 06, 2013 04:48 PM
to Osi : I agree with your appreciation of prints' quality. However, I stick to the idea that a Star Wars collector is not interested mainly with the stock quality (image, colors, contrasts, sound, etc.) but with the fact that a print is a vintage item or not. This means that there are two different ways of considering the value of such collectibles. A bad print of a vintage Star Wars print will be more valuable for a SW fan than a pristine new bootleg print - especially if it has German scrolling titles and soundtrack. All depends if you intend to project this print or only store on a shelf along with other pieces of a collection.
I am a musician and I know this paradigm. A violin will be of great value because of its age or some craftsmanship characteristic, even if it sounds awfully. In the other hand, a very recent instrument, with a gorgeous sound, won't be of any interest for a collector. All depends if you intend to play this violin or just keep it in a safe.
This is why I initiated this discussion about the value of super-8 prints. For my own trilogy prints (which, I remind, were in excellent condition, like new), I was proposed offers ranging from 120 euros to 2250 euros. Who is right ? Who is wrong ? All depends from which point of view !
Then, as a seller, I could have sold these prints for a even higher price, if separately. But I preferred to keep them together and I am glad that they will be in the hands of an enthusiastic and careful collector ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 08, 2013 01:54 PM
That's cool Baudime, I have just recently enetred the realm of scoring, having just done the music for a british DVD to be released sometime in the near future, though in this case, the score is pop music.
Of course, the magic of this forum (and life) is that we can all disagree. I would much rather have a brilliant sparkling print of a STAR WARS feature, though bootleg, than have a crappy image "official" print, because, for me, it's the presentation. I'm not enamored with faded STAR WARS prints just because they were a legal release. I'm into quality.
... which was why I commented on that terrible bluish print of "Jedi". It was legal, but I'll be danged if I'm going to project something that looks like crap, whether legal or not.
Legality only really comes into play for "resale" (and actually, from what I understand, the legal prints were never meant to be resold in the first place!), and it doesn't even make the print any more valuable as a general rule, except for the luxury of an original box, (and even some of those weren't all that hot). I sold a "bootleg' of "Empire" months back for $1,200.00 as, though considered bootleg, it was "Empire", in scope.
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