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Maurice Leakey
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From: Bristol. United Kingdom
Registered: Oct 2007

posted June 07, 2015 02:42 AM

I have just bought a three reel 16mm colour feature (date code 1963 - Kodak stock) which has a great number of tape joins which all have exuded their "goo" and have stuck themselves to the preceding and succeeding turns on the spool.

It is becoming an exhaustive job to re-do the joins and clean off all the muck with isopropyl alcohol. Whilst old tape joins often stretch and become a bit sticky I never seen such an awful situation as this.

After spending a complete day on spool 1 I slipped it into its carton and then saw the words "222 OCT 92" written on it. Then bells rang, this obviously referred to the film cleaner/lubricate 2.22 which has now been banned. I also recalled members saying that certain cleaners/lubricants softened tape joins.

On the 11 January 2013, fellow member, David Ollerearnshaw, said that he cleaned it off (2.22) before using tape splices.

So I assume that some of the chemicals that were used for film renovation in the past could also have had annoying side effects.

Did a previous owner apply the 2.22 after the tape joins had been made?

Pardon me while I now start on reel 2.

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David Ollerearnshaw
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Penistone Sheffield UK
Registered: Oct 2012

posted June 07, 2015 10:26 AM

Kanus did make 2.22 remover I always used this to clean a few inches before using tape splicers. They will NOT stick if 2.22 was used.

Must check out some of my films to see if they the same problem.

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Maurice Leakey
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From: Bristol. United Kingdom
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posted June 07, 2015 11:18 AM

David
Do you think that's the problem with my newly bought film, 2.22 applied after tape splices were made?
What was in 2.22 that could cause such trouble?
There are a few cement splices which are still perfect.

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Andrew Woodcock
Film God

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From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted June 07, 2015 12:32 PM

I received a Super 8mm print recently Maurice and some of the splices had been made using masking tape would you believe!

What a job that was re cutting, cleaning and then properly splicing again. I think I would have preferred sellotape!

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David Guest
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From: Lancashire, UK
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posted June 07, 2015 12:34 PM

best to use a debrie you can use gaffa tape on yours films and they go through in fact you could thread a rope through

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Clinton Hunt
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Waharoa,North Island,New Zealand
Registered: May 2010

posted June 17, 2015 04:53 PM

I cringe when screening a new to me 16mm film that looks ok on the reel .... then ..... the projector makes a noise and I discovered someone (who can't be a film person or should know better)has joined with masking tape or cheap sellotape!
Thankfully no damage to my projector!
I know I should hand-wind the films before screening them like alot of people do!
[Frown]

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Vidar Olavesen
Film God

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From: Sarpsborg, Norway
Registered: Nov 2012

posted June 17, 2015 05:11 PM

Me too get annoyed when people use such things. Worst I've heard is 35mm film stapled together. That is nice for the gate. Got quite a few with normal tape and gooey. Also modelling clay. Not good for a projector

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Steven Sigel
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Massachusetts
Registered: Jun 2003

posted June 17, 2015 05:24 PM

Filmrenew works really well for cleaning off goo - but I think it's pretty hard to get in the UK.

PS -- I once received a film with staple joins -- yes - really...

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Andrew Woodcock
Film God

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From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted June 17, 2015 07:28 PM

Steve,one of my latest was joined in masking tape!!

Carpets whilst decorating....most definitely,
Film never!!!!

Who are these people who value their film collection so far down the evolution chain???...Criminal activity in my book.

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Robert Crewdson
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From: UK
Registered: Jun 2013

posted June 18, 2015 06:40 AM

I always used 2.22 after my home movies had been spliced using tape. None of my films have suffered with glue oozing out after 40 years. How can 2.22 be banned?, the inventor took the formula with him to the grave.

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
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posted June 18, 2015 07:13 AM

I think they mean the common solvents used for film treatments like 2.22 (not the substances left on the film) were nearly always CFCs (Chlorofluorocarbons) which are banned due to their ozone layer removal tendencies. Mind you the amounts of Arklone (a dry cleaning CFC) we used at work to clean computer mag tape units etc would have seen us all out for film cleaner.

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Robert Crewdson
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From: UK
Registered: Jun 2013

posted June 18, 2015 10:46 AM

I know it had very quick drying properties. I still have a small amount left. What's the difference between this and other cleaners, such as Cresclean and Solvon?

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