posted October 31, 2016 04:38 PM
"Non-paying bidder" as a reason for resale is an odd thing to do - especially at the final price - since you can offer other bidders Second Chance Offers.
Unless they declined...
For that much, you could buy a really nice cinema video projector...
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
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posted November 01, 2016 05:50 AM
The "Film Collecting" scene is getting as crazy as the "Comic Collecting" scene when it comes to "rarity values" of a specific item.
Some people could just be buying them as an investment for the future with no real love or passion for the thing itself.
The point is that they could be shooting themselves in the foot in the long term if interest wanes over a period of time in the said item.
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posted November 01, 2016 06:04 AM
You're right of course David, except to say we have been hearing these very same things said since the dawn of the projected DVD with even a modicum of any success.
Even Derek himself advised that if people had valuable 8mm collections, now was the time to sell them, when he was selling the XV-Z1E.
The thing is, that was said at the end of the last century and nothing's changed since...except the good stuff keeps going up and up in resale value?
The only time things will drastically change, is once all the projection equipment no longer can be maintained.
We are not quite at that stage yet thankfully, but the day will come unless people obtain spares machines etc etc.
I don't believe the vast vast majority of high priced films sell only to anorak collectors who just wrap them in bubble wrap and shove them in a cupboard. I still believe nearly all titles are purchased to use with maybe the exception of the trekkies on the Star Wars, Dr Who stuff.
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posted November 01, 2016 06:17 PM
Glancing through silly bay at super 8 sales it is pretty obvious that the hype in prices relate primarily to science fiction / horror with picture art. They are a few clowns on who obviously haven't a clue for example Sherlock Holmes Smarter Brother with buy it now of £45.00 😄😄😄 I remember being at a mini convention and somebody at the buy and sell stall couldn't get £1.00 eventually giving it away.
There is a strong memorabilia market out there. It may be the next niche market for rich people to speculate on buying. Even 10 years ago a lot of sales I had were definitely to people who collected buy never watched what they bought.
You would expect projector prices to be rising but they are pretty stable and reasonable to buy.
Sad thing is a lot of titles are going to priced out of the reach of real collectors I.e Hammer Universal Horror Hitchcock Spielberg and Disney. Etc
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From: Highland Mills, NY USA
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posted November 07, 2016 11:27 AM
Why would the miltary utiluze 16mm when they could easily just use a digital projector with a dvd player or a laptop? Why would they bother with what they could easily consider a cumbersome set up?
posted November 08, 2016 03:15 AM
Only reason I could think of is that a valve (tube) 16mm might still work after a Electro-magnetic pulse from a nuclear attack. If there was anyone around to watch and some power available :-)
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From: Delray Beach, FL, USA
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posted November 08, 2016 07:56 PM
I always get a kick out of sellers posting, "It seems to be in good condition; I don't have a projector to run the film". And then they don't offer you any kind of guarantee. Interesting.
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posted November 17, 2016 05:10 AM
I will tell you this guys. If such prices for a print becomes the "norm" for any print on any film gauge I am outa this hobby for good after around 50 years of collecting.
I kid ye not.
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posted November 17, 2016 05:16 AM
It already is sadly David.
Only last week, a well described print, riddled in emulsion scratches sold for £680 on Super 8mm!!!
If this type of thing was all that was out there, I too would have already collected my last film!
Thankfully, this isn't the case, and quite why anyone would stump up these ludicrous sums of money for a print in this condition, is completely and utterly beyond me???????
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From: Southend on Sea, Essex, UK
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posted November 17, 2016 10:45 AM
In a fit of madness I bid for a newsreel where the seller states 'No returns'.I won't usually entertain such sellers but it contained something I thought worth buying. Sanity has returned and the bids will continue without any input from me. Why on earth would someone put such a rider on a sale. I get very uneasy when sellers are unwilling to take something back.
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From: Weymouth,Dorset,England
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posted November 17, 2016 11:43 AM
Dave It is very understandable. In the words of Max Bygraves ' I wanna tell you a story' - I was told this from a very reliable source. A seller sold something related to our common interest, let's say a film, I can't remember what it was. He sold it to a buyer in France and offered returns. He received a return parcel from the buyer and upon opening it found that it contained a rotten apple. He complained to eBay and even supplied a photo of the package and the contents, but eBay upheld the buyers claim that the item sold had been the item returned. Now that does not surprise me knowing eBays bias towards buyers and little protection offered to sellers, but also not forgetting there are more than a few unscrupulous buyers out there. Here endeth the lesson. By the way, I believe Max Bygraves retired to your part of the world did he not?
posted November 17, 2016 01:05 PM
Now just imagine how much an original print on 35mm would go for. With Super 8 prints unless they are in mint condition as new It's not worth chancing especially as the format is so small in the first place. Which is one major draw back in purchasing and collecting second hand films these days.
posted November 17, 2016 03:17 PM
But unfortunately on Super 8 your are limited in what you can collect title wise. As well as some titles only having a limited print run.
Along with new projectors being impossible to find in any format. Only time will tell.
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posted November 17, 2016 03:30 PM
All very true Robert but projectors should be ok for many many decades yet so long as the guys who wish to use them back them up well with all the necessary spares or spare machines.
Most of the electronics still remain readily available even if in some cases certain IC chipsets will have to be sourced from new old stock suppliers.
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