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Topic: £ Vs the Euro.
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Paul Adsett
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From: USA
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posted August 13, 2005 11:05 AM
I totally agree with you Tom. I cannot imagine England without the pound note and the Queen's head on it. Hopefully Britain will always remain Britain, an island separted from the rest of Europe, rightfully proud of it's traditions and hertitage, and unwilling to be dictated to by the rest of Europe,the USA, or anybody else.
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Mike Peckham
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posted August 13, 2005 11:14 AM
Ok, couldn’t resist .
Me? I say bring it on, I’ve got no sentimental attachment to the £ I’d be quite happy with the Euro provided the time was right for its introduction and that’s the crux of the matter. The Euro vote hasn’t come to the public yet due to a] it not being in Britain’s financial interest to join right now, nor for the foreseeable future, and b] because of the predominance of the xenophobic anti European press in the UK [ ie; The Daily Mail UUURRGGGHYUK excuse me whilst I puke].
I’m sure Jean-Marc will correct me if I’m wrong, but I understood that one of the major factors for France voting against the European Constitution was that it was weighted so heavily in favour of the UK? Not sure where this idea that it was all written in favour of Germany and France came from…
It’s easy to knock Blair, I do it myself regularly, but it’s also difficult to deny that he has argued strongly on the European Stage in Britain’s interest. Have to remember that Europe needs Britain but not half as much as Britain needs Europe, we live in a global community now, got to think big – can’t let our physical Island status lull us into feeling that we can do with out the outside world.
Mike
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Tom Photiou
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posted August 13, 2005 12:00 PM
Rob, Just read your reply, i'd already done this one so am amending it. No worries, FFTC is fine with me mate Just to let you know, i dont read the papers, just see the news on TV, papers are always biast on something. I certainly do not read the tabloid rags.
BTW, i did post this in general yak which states anything not film related chief
Good points Mike, i must say as pointed out previously, if it was Europe that would be one thing,Can someone tell me how Turkey of all places is euorope, they have very little in common with us, in fact, dare i say it? they are probably more in line with those against our principles. They wouldnt allow the states to gain entry into Iraq from the north, (so much for NATO friends), which meant they had to go the long way around, etc, but going back to the Euro, i'm not sentimental about the pound, i truly cannot see how this ISLAND can be a part of Europe, we are a seperate soverign state. Just look at how quickly the Germans wanted our pension funds kept in thier banks, luckily we had the sense to say no. The one thing i hate about Europe and its riff here is the Human rights crap. You do need some but the evidence of the madness of these Laws bought in by Europe is seen on TV today with the representitives of HR telling us terrorists have rights no matter what the attrocity. Personally i believe the Euro is a part of the German take over by the back door. To fight WW2 to remain Britsh and soveriegn, (& very powerful without the help of Euro) only to gradualy become integrated is madness. As a previous post said, how many more countries are going to join in way outside of the geography map of Europe? If you want to laugh, remember what Terry Wogan once said, You only have to see how close Europe is by watching the joke otherwise Known as The eurovision Song contest That tells it all. Any Americans watching the last two years of that must have pissed themselves laughing at Uk zero points. Funny that only happend since Iraq. Mike has said some very good points but although i'm not sentimental about the pound it is a part many hundreds of years of this country and is part of our identity. I'm sure there are people here now who are not proud of being British, again, although not a Royalist, i cant believe the things said about them. How many tourists come here for them and how much money do they bring to this country, And what embassadors they are for us. Maybe pompass, maybe out of date but no doubt Labour would rather have the Euro and become President Blair. Who knows?
And to end on a CINE note, the pound is good for those films from USA on e-bay for many i suspect
Oh and Jan,i love the dollar, lets have that here instead, cheap Florida Holidays for me.
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Mike Peckham
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From: West Sussex, UK.
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 13, 2005 12:43 PM
Tom
The TV news tends to be Voyeuristic and sensationalist, if you really want to start to understand these issues and think ‘outside the box’ you could try listening to some quality news programmes like the Today programme on from 6:30 – 9:00am and/or PM on from 5:00 –700pm both will be found on Radio 4. Beware though people who think right of centre will tell you that the BBC has gone all lefty and those to the left will tell you it’s outrageously right wing – don’t listen to any of them, make your own mind up.
In addition, read a quality paper such as the Times, Telegraph, Guardian or Independent. Look at the ‘Comment and Analysis’ pages and dig to find the full story [as much as that’s possible] and open your mind up to the arguments of people on both sides of the debate.
We are privileged to live in a democratic country, we have the power to make a difference, but we have the responsibility to learn as much as we can about the things that really effect our lives and the lives of others before we make judgement on them.
Mike
Ps. The war ended over sixty years ago, I think it was mentioned on the tv.
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Andreas Eggeling
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posted August 13, 2005 02:13 PM
""""....Personally i believe the Euro is a part of the German take over by the back door..... """"
Tom, Tom, Tom ......
there are quantity of prejudices reflected again ....
and why are you mention the ......
a) It was the formerly french president Mitterand which want the EURO.... and the formerly german Chancellor Kohl have to accepted it or otherwise Mitterand wouldn´t gave his o.k. for the reunion of West and East Germany......
b) If there have been a vote for or against introducing the EURO in Germany, the germans had vote against the EURO. Personally I had accepted the EURO in the EU founder countries France, Italy, Belgium, Luxemburg, Netherlands and Germany.
c) I don´t understand these prejudices in the british press. Visit me and you will note that the practices of life very similar in our countries....... Appropos practice of life: I draw simply the towels from the occupied beach chairs and put me on. ........ We can´t doing the march, if we want to learn we have to watch british t.v..... .... BTW.... I read an english march joke some weeks ago and it was very funny ...
The Eurovision Song Contest?????? That was a song contest long long time ago ..... now often wins those, who can swinging the chests best.... these are the true results of the televoting....
Jean-Marc, big thanks to France and the Netherlands for voting against the constitution last May.
Rob, I like politics ..... [ August 13, 2005, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]
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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted August 13, 2005 02:27 PM
Well, you can't clearly vouch for something that you just can't understand (any of you tried to read this thing?) can you? You also can't vote for something that will, little by little, erase all social rights in every country. And, you're right, Tom, historically speaking, Turkey is in Mesopotamia (ie- Middle East). I have nothing against Turkey, but feel reluctant to vote for a constitution that will, eventually, use Turkey as a shield against Iraq.
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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
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posted August 13, 2005 02:39 PM
Its that point i was trying to put across, i do have an understanding of Europe, very much so which is why i prefer to stay a soveriegn state. Although we havnt given up much i see enough to no how Europe has overturned some decissions in this country. It comes to something when the Law of the land is set in another country. I wouldnt mind knowing what our so called Euro MP's do for thier big money. Jobs for the Boys?? Again, as one other member mentioned, Europe? ok, but how many more Countries? How much further afield? Perhaps we may as well pull in Ukrain, its only next door to Poland? How about Syria, thats next door to Turkey, then perhaps Morroco, thats only a stones throw over the water from Spain, like we are to france, (only joking) is anyone out there saying for gawds sake bugger off?
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